The virus. PPE. Part 1

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Tringa said:
I recall a few years ago an article on BBC Breakfast where the BBC interviewed a manufacturer of wet wipes who said they are safe to flush down the loo. The BBC then went to a sewage works with 15 foot+ piles of wet wipes they had to drag out of the system because they definitely should not be flushed.

I quite like the idea of loo/poo paper going in the bin, When I collect our dog's poo I put it in the bin, so why now ours? Is this a bridge too far?

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Some wet wipes state on the packet that they can be flushed but I tend to disbelieve them.
 
mex said:
I'm pretty sure things will change dramatically over the coming days/weeks/months, but I really do feel that the government should be looking after it's citizens in a more proactive way, if only Johnson would follow Macron's announcements regarding house bills etc or Spain's Sanchez's announcement that private hospitals are going to be nationalised for the duration, we on the other hand are looking at renting beds in private hospitals at the tune of (IIRC) £2.5m a day.
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He will.
Last week Macron did what we did today. This week he went further.
 
mex said:
Macron has just announced that electricity, gas and water bills along with rents will be suspended, Johnson suggests we don't go to pubs,clubs etc and avoid contact with other people....but keeps schools open, odd one that for me.
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That’s all and good for most people and I understand it’s likely needed but what about the people that have a business renting property, with mortgages.

Most off our income comes from our rental business so 3 months off no rent, which they have considered mean 3 months of little to no money and 3 months of mortgage to pay at a later date, with the best case scenario.

Something like 25% off all U.K. housing is privately rented so that will have a very large impact on many.
 
Donnie said:
Herd immunity is based on vaccination programmes though.
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Herd immunity is based on a majority of the members of the herd being immune, regardless of how the immunity was acquired. Normally we drive it with vaccination, but natural infection could also provide it as long as enough members of the herd become immune.
 
pmac said:
That’s all and good for most people and I understand it’s likely needed but what about the people that have a business renting property, with mortgages.

Most off our income comes from our rental business so 3 months off no rent, which they have considered mean 3 months of little to no money and 3 months of mortgage to pay at a later date, with the best case scenario.

Something like 25% off all U.K. housing is privately rented so that will have a very large impact on many.
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I'm sure the impact will be painful for landlords, assuming of course that our government follows the French government, however as you state it is likely needed. Macron is quite likely looking at the best way to minimise the impact of the pandemic to the french public.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Just spoke to one of my Spanish friends. As you know they are confined to home unless they are going to buy food or to a medical centre.
She went to the supermarket this morning and had to queue to get in as they are only letting 30 in at a time.
She described the British holiday makers in Benidorm as “subnormal” (yes that is a Spanish word too) because they are refusing to obey the rules, and are making a nuisance of themselves in the streets. They have no excuse because the loudspeaker vans in Benidorm are making the announcements of the regulations in English.
Every night the Spanish will be applauding from their balconies or terraces a different branch of the emergency services or those that still have to serve the public.
It was an interesting chat.
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2706850216216306
 
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Looks like today's announcements reflect a serious change in strategy, rather than the gradual unveiling of an existing masterplan:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ns-to-avoid-non-essential-contact-with-others

'If the government had stuck to the plans announced last week, Covid-19 could have cost 260,000 lives, according to teams of modellers from Imperial College who have run computer predictions of the impact of different interventions. The government’s strategy is based on their work and similar modelling from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

Professor Neil Ferguson from Imperial and colleagues call that scenario 1, the mitigation strategy. It was not until they received new and sobering data from Italy, where the health service is struggling to save lives, that they understood the potential death toll and the horrendous impact on the NHS of that strategy, which allowed people to mix as usual. In Italy, 30% of patients with the virus have needed intensive care. The NHS would not have been able to cope.

Instead of letting social contact at pubs, clubs, restaurants and the theatre continue, and people to travel and go to work, they modelled scenario 2, which they call suppression. Under that strategy, the number of deaths would be driven down to 20,000 or lower – possibly even a few thousand. But the social restrictions the government has now announced will have to stay in place for at least five months and maybe longer.

“It does really leave the world in a quandary,” said Ferguson, whose work is also being studied by France and the United States. “We expect when we lift these measures, for transmission to resume.” WHe said this would buy a period of time with very low transmission but it means there will be very little build-up of herd immunity – which was thought to interest the government last week.'
 
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Retune said:
Which one? Last week's plan, or this week's completely different plan?
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They said it would change soon and quickly, it did.
 
ancient_mariner said:
Herd immunity is based on a majority of the members of the herd being immune, regardless of how the immunity was acquired. Normally we drive it with vaccination, but natural infection could also provide it as long as enough members of the herd become immune.
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Pretty sure natural infection providing it could work for disease thats got a negligible if any, mortality rate. To suggest herd immunity for covid 19 would result in tens of thousands of deaths. I can't imagine anyone is advovating that are they?
 
Donnie said:
Pretty sure natural infection providing it could work for disease thats got a negligible if any, mortality rate. To suggest herd immunity for covid 19 would result in tens of thousands of deaths. I can't imagine anyone is advovating that are they?
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Apparently our chief scientific officer was.
 
pmac said:
That’s all and good for most people and I understand it’s likely needed but what about the people that have a business renting property, with mortgages.

Most off our income comes from our rental business so 3 months off no rent, which they have considered mean 3 months of little to no money and 3 months of mortgage to pay at a later date, with the best case scenario.

Something like 25% off all U.K. housing is privately rented so that will have a very large impact on many.
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Agreed. The house I rent out pays for itself and that's about it. In my case I'd still end up paying a mortgage and to maintain a property.
 
I can't remember where, but I'm sure I read or heard on the radio that Germany was providing unlimited financial support for businesses?

"€500 Billion, and that's just for starters" rings a bell as well.

Not sure we are getting similar support in the UK.
 
gman said:
I can't remember where, but I'm sure I read or heard on the radio that Germany was providing unlimited financial support for businesses?

"€500 Billion, and that's just for starters" rings a bell as well.
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It's €300 Billion in France with the promise that no business, large or small, will fail due to the movement restrictions imposed by the government.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Plans have to be adaptable when you are dealing with something so unprecedented.
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It’s not wholly unprecedented though is it? In recent years there’s been Ebola, SARS, MERS, it’s just that they only affected Johnny Foreigner so we didn’t worry and plan for if it happened here :(.
 
Canon Bob said:
It's €300 Billion in France with the promise that no business, large or small, will fail due to the movement restrictions imposed by the government.
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Last week they proposed similar restrictions to ours in terms of not going to restaurants, bars etc in that it wasn't a forced restriction.
Lots ignored it, so now it's a forced restriction and financial help has been announced.
Possibly when our restrictions become forced, we will see similar aid being offered?
 
The French Government has now produced a form to be downloaded and completed each time someone leaves home (from noon today). Comprises tick boxes with valid reasons that you're out and about. Travel between home and work, out buying essential items, health related visit, assisting of elderley / vunerable or for brief physical activity local to home. The form includes name, DoB, residence, signature and time and date.
Persons out without a valid reason are liable to fines of € 38 or € 135 (I haven't sussed why there are two different fines)
 
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Canon Bob said:
The French Government has now produced a form to be downloaded and completed each time someone leaves home (from noon today). Comprises tick boxes with valid reasons that you're out and about. Travel between home and work, out buying essential items, health related visit, assisting of elderley / vunerable or for brief physical activity local to home. The form includes name, DoB, residence, signature and time and date.
Persons out without a valid reason are liable to fines of € 38 or € 135 (I haven't sussed why there are two different fines)
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I follow the Town Hall of Alicante on instagram. They said that the Policía Local fined more than thirty people yesterday, closed 3 bars, a restaurant and a hairdressers.
Most people seem to be obeying the new rules with good nature though.
 
Is it essential to get a vehicle MOT tested?
 
MatBin said:
Is it essential to get a vehicle MOT tested?
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That's an interesting one. Both our cars were booked in for annual services at the end of this week but the dealer has just called and cancelled them....they're closing at noon and it'll be for 45 days! Testing centres are also closing.
 
Canon Bob said:
That's an interesting one. Both our cars were booked in for annual services at the end of this week but the dealer has just called and cancelled them....they're closing at noon and it'll be for 45 days! Testing centres are also closing.
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My company car is due in for a service on Friday.
No cancellation here....yet.
 
Looking at the data tables i got a moment of positivity - the number of new cases gone down significantly over the past two days. But then i realised the numbers tested have also dropped by a similar proportion. Why is this?
 
Canon Bob said:
That's an interesting one. Both our cars were booked in for annual services at the end of this week but the dealer has just called and cancelled them....they're closing at noon and it'll be for 45 days! Testing centres are also closing.
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I wonder what happens if you have to use your car, to care for a relative etc and its a) out of MOT as you cant get one or b) breaks down inside warranty period but wasn't serviced for same reason.
My bike needs an MOT in the next 4 weeks so I thought I'd get it done sooner rather than later. Cars are ok, MOT and service done recently but I'll need my bike to go to work.
 
pmac said:
That’s all and good for most people and I understand it’s likely needed but what about the people that have a business renting property, with mortgages.

Most off our income comes from our rental business so 3 months off no rent, which they have considered mean 3 months of little to no money and 3 months of mortgage to pay at a later date, with the best case scenario.

Something like 25% off all U.K. housing is privately rented so that will have a very large impact on many.
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Why people that rent? People with mortgages are in a siimilar position too arent they?
 
No idea if this is true, but if it is I really would'nt be shocked.

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I should imagine MOT's could be suspended, this was recently done in Ireland where the testing ramps were cracking and breaking.
 
nilagin said:
I should imagine MOT's could be suspended, this was recently done in Ireland where the testing ramps were cracking and breaking.
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I heard about that.
 
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