The virus. PPE. Part 1

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I know someone who has now been advised by 111 to self isolate as her youngest child has matching symptoms.

111 told her that it was only her and her one child that had to isolate though, her other kids will be going to school tomorrow and husband to work..

And this is why some of us think the govt have it all wrong.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
I think people like you with your crackpot theories of biological warfare are quite dangerous. That kind of talk certainly doesn’t help or usefully inform anyone. From memory there is a conspiracy theory thread; why not search it out and start posting in there.

As for your level of fear; how on earth would you cope if you were Spanish or Italian? The situation here is nothing compared to the situations in those countries. Get a grip man.
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I’m entitled to my thoughts and opinions the same as you . and being in the at risk group doesn’t help matters either ,nor the idea being bantered around that due to age I/we may by under house quarantine for up to 16 weeks . I can see problems there .i.e cars need m.o.t , dogs need walking ,to name but two that could arise .
And are my theories so out on The limb , even in this day and age of information exchange do we really know what is the whole truth and what is just a mistruth to hide a bigger lie ..
perhaps I know more than I can put on here ?? You will never know .. for certain as you will only know what I choose to tell you .. think about it carefully before having your next pop
 
KitsuneAndy said:
And this is why some of us think the govt have it all wrong.
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And as for government advice, I posted this elsewhere
There was discussion on the radio not so long back, TBH I couldn't believe what I was hearing, some cabinet medical adviser, was wriggle like a sack of ferrets, every time he was asked a sensible question, or for clarification on certain points regarding testing.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
I know someone who has now been advised by 111 to self isolate as her youngest child has matching symptoms.

111 told her that it was only her and her one child that had to isolate though, her other kids will be going to school tomorrow and husband to work..

And this is why some of us think the govt have it all wrong.
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That’s an odd one. If she + child are mingling with rest of family she’s not really isolating is she?
 
sphexx said:
That’s an odd one. If she + child are mingling with rest of family she’s not really isolating is she?
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As above that was another thing that he said, only people showing symptoms should self isolate, the rest of the family should carry on as normal ..
Seriously?
 
sphexx said:
I don’t often buy (no doubt you know you can take too often) paracetamol but I notice the shelves are often empty of it in my local Morrison’s.
When supermarkets first appeared in U.K. Iit seemed you could get almost anything you wanted in them but gradually their ranges shrunk (it seemed to me at the time) and now they are just shops and not super at all. To get all the food things I want I have to go to Sainsbury’s, Waitrose, Morrisons, M&S Food and I still need to go to the Greengrocer’s. There’s still food stuff I can’t get in any of them and have bought some occasionally online. Maybe we were better off with specialised shops :).
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What things to you buy that you need to go to so many places to get everything?
 
KitsuneAndy said:
I know someone who has now been advised by 111 to self isolate as her youngest child has matching symptoms.

111 told her that it was only her and her one child that had to isolate though, her other kids will be going to school tomorrow and husband to work..

And this is why some of us think the govt have it all wrong.
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That's just nuts I think.
 
Cobra said:
As above that was another thing that he said, only people showing symptoms should self isolate, the rest of the family should carry on as normal ..
Seriously?
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Yeah, they should move to their second home.....
 
KitsuneAndy said:
I know someone who has now been advised by 111 to self isolate as her youngest child has matching symptoms.

111 told her that it was only her and her one child that had to isolate though, her other kids will be going to school tomorrow and husband to work..

And this is why some of us think the govt have it all wrong.
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Surely she has either misunderstood or there's been a 111 mistake there. She really should call them again to clarify that advice I would say.
 
Donnie said:
Surely she has either misunderstood or there's been a 111 mistake there. She really should call them again to clarify that advice I would say.
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No.

The official government advice is that only those exhibiting symptoms should self isolate.
 
jakeblu said:
I don't know who the woman behind Trump is, but she doesn't look happy to be there

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Full story

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51886497
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First of, Steve.. re the 'NHS' video I posted several pages back about the history of the virus you said it wasn't an NHS nor NHS-sponsered video and I did wonder about that (American voice-over) but it had NHS written under it. Now I see the same 'NHS' logo under this video (below) I now realise it's an advert/link re getting the latest information on the virus so, I stand corrected on that. Been better had I not included that..lol.

So, to this video you posted. If someone writes ' I don't know' ..that's a challenge to me..can't 'elp me-self..lol. I did some digging around.

The women you're referring to is Seema Verma. She isn't a White House official but an American health policy consultant and she's the administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. Trump brought her in to sit on the Task Force set up re the virus situation. I think what comes across as what you perceive to be 'not being happy' could be a nervousness because if you look at her after she walks back to her place she 'seems' to be asking Jerome Adams (Surgeon General) ..if she did ok..you can see him give a nod of approval. Now..there's another explanation which I think is more likely. She might not have been too happy with what she was 'told' to say because I've seen another video of her in a one to one interview and she's fine. Just my take. I think the second link supports my view.

Here's her speech.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu5unJp8FwA


Fox News interviewed her the day before that Trump press conference...ie the 13th..Friday...and didn't get a straight answer. Is it because she's just toeing the line for the White House and is uncomfortable with it. ? This isn't a video, just a report of the interview and it doesn't fill anyone with any confidence about how they're dealing/coping with the situation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/13/coronavirus-seema-verma-maccallum/

Wash your hands is the advice and Trump is taking it to heart. This video shows his response to the reporter asking if he's taking responsibility for disbanding the for Global Health Security Team two years ago. It's at the start.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVhgKgkai5c


Here is a list of the mis-steps. It makes for disturbing reading https://nationalsecurityaction.org/newsroom/trump-coronavirus-disaster
 
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KitsuneAndy said:
No.

The official government advice is that only those exhibiting symptoms should self isolate.
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After a quick google other countries are also saying this, I find that incredulous to be honest.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
What things to you buy that you need to go to so many places to get everything?
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The list is long :( and I’m not sure worth posting but for a couple of examples Sainsburys and Waitrose are the only stockist of “Flahavans Organic Jumbo Oats”, and I buy coffee and tea at Sainsburys. Sainsbury’s used to be the only stockist of “Al-Rabih Pomegranite Molasses” which I use mainly as a drink but have discontinued it and I’ve had to buy it via Amazon at a much higher price even before postage. Morrison’s is far and away the best (and cheapest) local wet fish shop locally even though we do have a local fishmonger.
I don’t have a big Tesco near but they used to be good for fish and veg when I used them 20 years ago but hopeless for coffee, tea, cheese for example. Morrison’s is mostly rubbish for veg though has had excellent fennel this year. Sainsbury’s is the only place that has potatoes that I like and is generally good for veg, fruit, cheese.
I forgot Aldi, which has really cheap buffalo mozzarella, but only seasonally, and some other good stuff if you pick and choose, oh and Aldi is the only one of those I mentioned that sells Pumpernickel (well they would, wouldn’t they) and they have sourdough crumpets that Ive not seen anywhere else.
Sainsburys is the only one that usually stocks French Unsalted Butter.
I think I‘ll stop there as it’s getting boring :(.
 
Is HMG panic buying ventilators :(
 
sphexx said:
The list is long :( and I’m not sure worth posting but for a couple of examples Sainsburys and Waitrose are the only stockist of “Flahavans Organic Jumbo Oats”, and I buy coffee and tea at Sainsburys. Sainsbury’s used to be the only stockist of “Al-Rabih Pomegranite Molasses” which I use mainly as a drink but have discontinued it and I’ve had to buy it via Amazon at a much higher price even before postage. Morrison’s is far and away the best (and cheapest) local wet fish shop locally even though we do have a local fishmonger.
I don’t have a big Tesco near but they used to be good for fish and veg when I used them 20 years ago but hopeless for coffee, tea, cheese for example. Morrison’s is mostly rubbish for veg though has had excellent fennel this year. Sainsbury’s is the only place that has potatoes that I like and is generally good for veg, fruit, cheese.
I forgot Aldi, which has really cheap buffalo mozzarella, but only seasonally, and some other good stuff if you pick and choose, oh and Aldi is the only one of those I mentioned that sells Pumpernickel (well they would, wouldn’t they) and they have sourdough crumpets that Ive not seen anywhere else.
Sainsburys is the only one that usually stocks French Unsalted Butter.
I think I‘ll stop there as it’s getting boring :(.
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So you don't really need to.
It's Just because you've got some weird tastes :LOL:
 
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sphexx said:
Is HMG panic buying ventilators :(
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Worse, looks like instead of the actual proper manufacturers making them, there's talk of getting other manufacturers to make them! Maybe we'll see some with Honda badged and Land Rover badged ones eh? :-(

Still, it wont matter because there aren't the staff numbers to operate them.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Cancel Brexit and let them all back in :)
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And the virus with them?

On making stuff… I've never been involved in setting up ventilator manufacture but I can't believe it's beyond us... I'm sure there are any number of companies who could do it... assuming that the components are available.
 
I think the medical advice is still that outdoor mass events are not significant in the spreading of coronavirus but how do the health expert think most of the people attending the events get there? Have they never been to Twickenham or Wembley?

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KitsuneAndy said:
I know someone who has now been advised by 111 to self isolate as her youngest child has matching symptoms.

111 told her that it was only her and her one child that had to isolate though, her other kids will be going to school tomorrow and husband to work..

And this is why some of us think the govt have it all wrong.
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Simple solution, they all self isolate, it's not rocket science.
 
woof woof said:
And the virus with them?

On making stuff… I've never been involved in setting up ventilator manufacture but I can't believe it's beyond us... I'm sure there are any number of companies who could do it... assuming that the components are available.
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And there is the problem, if you listen to Matt Handcock you'll see he's actually talking about manufacture of components as well as the ventilators.
 
Donnie said:
Still, it wont matter because there aren't the staff numbers to operate them.
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There will be even less when the schools shut and they are staying at home to look after their kids.
 
France has just announced that inter-city travel by plane, train and bus will be restricted to those who can prove a need.
 
Tringa said:
I think the medical advice is still that outdoor mass events are not significant in the spreading of coronavirus but how do the health expert think most of the people attending the events get there? Have they never been to Twickenham or Wembley?

Dave
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Been to Wembley many times and Twickenham once, always by car. :)
 
Donnie said:
And there is the problem, if you listen to Matt Handcock you'll see he's actually talking about manufacture of components as well as the ventilators.
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Some of the components may be specialist items and in short supply as there'll be a relatively limited market for these at normal times so they won't be at white goods levels or anything like it but I'd be surprised if they couldn't be replaced with more standard items, at a pinch maybe, but with no health implications. Where there's a will there's a way.

There are companies that can make you almost anything and you'll have it in your hand 24/48 hours after placing your order. This is the sort of thing I used to be involved in, not white goods quantities but stuff that's needed quickly for a number of reasons. Sometimes it's done this quickly for low volume high value stuff or even for cheaper pre production stuff and then once the thing is approved and ready for mass production the bulk order goes to China (or wherever) and they cost peanuts.

The main point I'm trying to make is that if ventilators or anything else are at a premium I'm quietly confident they could be made, it'll cost more but I'm pretty sure it can be done and done quickly.
 
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woof woof said:
Some of the components may be specialist items and in short supply as there'll be a relatively limited market for these at normal times so they won't be a white goods levels or anything like it but I'd be surprised if they couldn't be replaced with more standard items, at a pinch maybe, but with no health implications. Where there's a will there's a way.
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And it might spark some lateral thinking. I don’t know the details, and no doubt they have complex control systems, but isn‘t the underlying mechanism quite simple?

Though I expect we’ll see some charlatans making fake ones :(.
 
sphexx said:
And it might spark some lateral thinking. I don’t know the details, and no doubt they have complex control systems, but isn‘t the underlying mechanism quite simple?

Though I expect we’ll see some charlatans making fake ones :(.
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Then we'd shoot them :D

I don't think we'd have too much of a problem with UK manufacture, the only really shocking stuff I know of fake wise has been from China.
 
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woof woof said:
Then we'd shoot them :D

I don't think we'd have too much of a problem with UK manufacture, the only really shocking stuff I know of fake wise has been from China.
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Not sure but that chap who was selling impossibly fake IED detectors to Iraq was U.K. wasn’t he?
 
So HMG is “going to tell” over 70’s to stay at home some time in the near future, maybe better to tell them/us now then? :(.
 
sphexx said:
Not sure but that chap who was selling impossibly fake IED detectors to Iraq was U.K. wasn’t he?
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Deep sigh...

I can only speak about companies and products I've been involved with but if this is what this thread is coming too, I'm out.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
But you were just praising the government advice which is to not isolate?

Make your mind up
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A big difference between the whole country not isolating and a household with symptoms, self isolating. Like I said, not rocket science.
 
sphexx said:
So HMG is “going to tell” over 70’s to stay at home some time in the near future, maybe better to tell them/us now then? :(.
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If they can think for themselves, they can anyway, if they can't think for themselves they aren't likely to take any notice anyway.
 
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