The virus. PPE. Part 1

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JasonPC said:
Went shopping in Tesco‘s this morning. All was normal until I went buy a couple of bottles of Carex handwash as we had run out at home. My local Tesco has about eight shelves for that product, all of which were empty. Nipped into Morrisons to get some as I had an Amazon parcel to collect from the locker there, same story - no Carex. Plenty of other brands available though, just no Carex oddly. Maybe that’s what the news classes as panic buying.
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Must be the proper good stuff that contains alcohol.
 
sphexx said:
Why do you think the BBC and Guardian are biased?
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They keep on checking facts and writing about what actually happened instead of telling the public what government ministers want them to tell the public.

If that's not bias I really don't know what is! :tumbleweed:
 
Raymond Lin said:
17 cases of infection outside Hubei Province today. 16 of them from foreign visitors!

They have got it under control now, it is the rest of the world that hasn't. Scary that 6 weeks on, it is technically safer inside China than it is outside China.
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me and the wife have been talking about this recently... no country will handle it and control it as well as china has and it is likely safer there.

she can't get over the fact that the advise is just wash your hands and they are still carrying on with the Scotland/france rugby Sunday like nothing is happening.
 
pmac said:
me and the wife have been talking about this recently... no country will handle it and control it as well as china has and it is likely safer there.

she can't get over the fact that the advise is just wash your hands and they are still carrying on with the Scotland/france rugby Sunday like nothing is happening.
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Its rife already.
Cancelling a rugby game won't change anything.
 
jonbeeza said:
Must be the proper good stuff that contains alcohol.
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These sanitisers are being bought in bulk in supermarkets and could well be ending up on sale on Amazon at 10 times the price. Two legged parasites at work.
 
Retired medics to help?

Many will be aged 60+ so higher risk of serious complications , seems pretty contagious and, I believe, many took early retirement because they were stressed out working for the NHS.
Wonder how many will volunteer, dedicated or not.
 
nog said:
Retired medics to help?

Many will be aged 60+ so higher risk of serious complications , seems pretty contagious and, I believe, many took early retirement because they were stressed out working for the NHS.
Wonder how many will volunteer, dedicated or not.
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This has been raised and the sensible suggestion is that they might be used to free up current medics to do the direct work on infected patients.
 
sphexx said:
This has been raised and the sensible suggestion is that they might be used to free up current medics to do the direct work on infected patients.
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Hopefully they will not be needed but will be interesting to see how many volunteer, not sure if that makes me a cynic or realist:)
 
jonbeeza said:
Must be the proper good stuff that contains alcohol.
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It's the Carex handwash (liquid soap) as well as their sanitiser gel that's selling out, probably because it has featured in the media (as in that picture of Rishi Sunak washing his hands). In fact any soap will do for handwashing. For the gel, you want one with >60% alcohol (which Carex also makes).
 
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Meanwhile, back in the real world, a single known case 3 months ago has now become >100,000:

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Marc said:
Spoke on the phone to mum this evening. She was telling me she was having trouble getting through to Ocado, turns out they're busy taking orders from Tesco delivery customers as they don't like the idea of staff touching the products. World's gone mad!
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Someone at work found they had no delivery slots in the area this weekend, and we're just in the stockpiling phase. It seems there's a subtle flaw in the plan to ask large numbers of people to self-isolate and get everything delivered when the UK epidemic really gets underway.
 
arclight said:
These sanitisers are being bought in bulk in supermarkets and could well be ending up on sale on Amazon at 10 times the price. Two legged parasites at work.
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We have always bought the sanitiser long long before this current scare came along. The missus has always used some sort of hand cleansing method, as she has been in a wheelchair all her adult life. Her hands tended to get dirty easily. One thing that has annoyed us for years, is people doing those filthy spits, that you sometimes see on the floor. If she pushes through one, it can end up on her wheels and then transfer to her hands. So it has always been important, that she a bottle or two of hand sanitisers with her.
 
Retune said:
It's the Carex handwash (liquid soap) as well as their sanitiser gel that's selling out, probably because it has featured in the media (as in that picture of Rishi Sunak washing his hands). In fact any soap will do for handwashing. For the gel, you want one with >60% alcohol (which Carex also makes).
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Going shopping after, will see if they have available. :)
 
jonbeeza said:
Must be the proper good stuff that contains alcohol.
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Retune said:
It's the Carex handwash (liquid soap) as well as their sanitiser gel that's selling out, probably because it has featured in the media (as in that picture of Rishi Sunak washing his hands). In fact any soap will do for handwashing. For the gel, you want one with >60% alcohol (which Carex also makes).
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Yeah, it’s the hand soap that’s sold out. Funnily enough, they were on 3 for 2 a few weeks back. :D Quite amusing/worrying to see people flapping that there are none on the shelves when there’s racks of shower wash right next to the empty Carex shelves...
 
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pmac said:
me and the wife have been talking about this recently... no country will handle it and control it as well as china has and it is likely safer there.
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I don't think they’ve handled it well at all, the first phase of head in the sand let’s pretend this isn’t happening caused the most damage and then persecution of those who tried to do something about it was a particularly unpleasant stage 2.

Only in the face of international pressure did they do something about it. But yes their ‘control’ stage whilst simplistic and brutal has been effective. I don’t think such measures would be tolerated in a developed country though. It’s also significantly impacted their economy.
 
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Retune said:
Someone at work found they had no delivery slots in the area this weekend, and we're just in the stockpiling phase. It seems there's a subtle flaw in the plan to ask large numbers of people to self-isolate and get everything delivered when the UK epidemic really gets underway.
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Fortunately I have my “Brexit Cupboard” that I stocked up for the original Brexit day and although I’ve run it down a bit I still have pasta, rice, beans tinned fish, etc. Also, you can go, I think, 30 days fasting without too much harm providing you have plenty of water. Dog is a problem but I have plenty of mice in the garden and I could shoot some squirrels and songbirds for her :).
 
Given that there is no vaccine for this virus and won't be for 12 months the likelihood is the whole population will catch it at some point, or 94% will according to expert figures, presumably 6% wont catch it, children? So as a Govt how do you handle that, let everyone catch it in one hit or small numbers you can handle, lock down and isolation en mass will slow the spread but eventually the 94% are going to get it, if not now then in say 6 months time as there is no vaccine or in built immunity in humans. We live in a very crowded environment in the UK and I don't think it's possible to prevent anyone from getting infected eventually, we have people coming in from all over the world from infected areas and our own people now infected that have not been abroad, it's here and it will infect all of us eventually. All we can do is care for those infected and keep the death rate as low as possible by stretching the infection period for as long as possible so as not to overwhelm the NHS etc.
 
MatBin said:
Given that there is no vaccine for this virus and won't be for 12 months the likelihood is the whole population will catch it at some point, or 94% will according to expert figures, presumably 6% wont catch it, children? So as a Govt how do you handle that, let everyone catch it in one hit or small numbers you can handle, lock down and isolation en mass will slow the spread but eventually the 94% are going to get it, if not now then in say 6 months time as there is no vaccine or in built immunity in humans. We live in a very crowded environment in the UK and I don't think it's possible to prevent anyone from getting infected eventually, we have people coming in from all over the world from infected areas and our own people now infected that have not been abroad, it's here and it will infect all of us eventually. All we can do is care for those infected and keep the death rate as low as possible by stretching the infection period for as long as possible so as not to overwhelm the NHS etc.
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(y)

That does appear to be the medical standpoint.
 
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Just been to Asda for the weekly shop. I did not need any hand cleanser, as we should have enough to last. Plenty of hand soap available.
 
jonbeeza said:
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Just been to Asda for the weekly shop. I did not need any hand cleanser, as we should have enough to last. Plenty of hand soap available.
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Hand soap is no good if you want to clean your hands when your out and about though.
I regularly use hand sanitizer at work as I visit peoples homes.
Not practical to use hand soap in the car :)
 
MatBin said:
Given that there is no vaccine for this virus and won't be for 12 months the likelihood is the whole population will catch it at some point, or 94% will according to expert figures, presumably 6% wont catch it, children? So as a Govt how do you handle that, let everyone catch it in one hit or small numbers you can handle, lock down and isolation en mass will slow the spread but eventually the 94% are going to get it, if not now then in say 6 months time as there is no vaccine or in built immunity in humans. We live in a very crowded environment in the UK and I don't think it's possible to prevent anyone from getting infected eventually, we have people coming in from all over the world from infected areas and our own people now infected that have not been abroad, it's here and it will infect all of us eventually. All we can do is care for those infected and keep the death rate as low as possible by stretching the infection period for as long as possible so as not to overwhelm the NHS etc.
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The argument I’ve seen is that by trying to stop the spread now it may push a peak into next winter, whereas if you don’t it may peak in the summer when the NHS is less stressed. I think that’s one for the epidemiologists/statisticians :(. I favour trying to stop the spread, they may find an antiviral drug that works before a vaccine is found :).
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Hand soap is no good if you want to clean your hands when your out and about though.
I regularly use hand sanitizer at work as I visit peoples homes.
Not practical to use hand soap in the car :)
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Hand soap is OK out and about — just pee on your hands and lather up :).
 
JasonPC said:
All was normal until I went buy a couple of bottles of Carex handwash as we had run out at home.....
Plenty of other brands available though, just no Carex oddly.
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I find the best way to create a shortage is to tell people there is one.
Well played Carex (y)
 
Just popped up the local supermarket for a couple of bits I forgot yesterday
Looked like locusts had swarmed through it, also happened to notice not a bog roll left on the shelves.

Does this virus give you the Tom tits then, utter madness
 
tijuana taxi said:
Just popped up the local supermarket for a couple of bits I forgot yesterday
Looked like locusts had swarmed through it, also happened to notice not a bog roll left on the shelves.

Does this virus give you the Tom tits then, utter madness
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Plenty of toilet rolls in my local Asda.
 
Problem is that most papers are already full of crap anyway...
 
pmac said:
she can't get over the fact that the advise is just wash your hands and they are still carrying on with the Scotland/france rugby Sunday like nothing is happening.
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She wants to cancel the rugby!!!!!!! Fecks sake, it's not like the virus is a matter of life or death.:popcorn: See you at Murrayfield.
 
Cobra said:
I find the best way to create a shortage is to tell people there is one.
Well played Carex (y)
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I blame the government, saying there is no need to stock pile is a signal for most people to go shopping
 
Studio488commercial said:
The deaths now are around the same deaths on the worlds roads TODAY!
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And isn't it terrible that we accept road casualties as normal? But SARS-CoV-2 is just getting started. It hasn't yet had the chance to infect most of the 7.8 billion people in the world and, unless we can stop it, there's no particular reason why it won't. This has happened before with 4 other coronaviruses that cause common cold symptoms. But this time we are dealing with a virus that causes significant numbers of fatalities. If left unchecked, it's not unreasonable to suppose that the virus will eventually kill millions, even if the case fatality rate turns about to be ~1% (it's higher in some regions). Here's what's been happening to the number of cases recorded outside China:

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