The Queen

Contrary to my usual practice I did watch the Accession ceremony. I was interested to see that the monarch has to give up the Crown Estates all over again in return for the Sovereign Grant as I had thought that was all done and dusted. 200 years ago.
 
I was disappointed to learn that the BBC have cancelled The Last Night of the Proms on Saturday; surely there is no more fitting tribute to Her Majesty than this annual event celebrating all things British.

On a separate note, it was weird to hear the National Anthem refer to '...Our Gracious King'.
 
ShinySideUp said:
I was disappointed to learn that the BBC have cancelled The Last Night of the Proms on Saturday; surely there is no more fitting tribute to Her Majesty than this annual event celebrating all things British.

On a separate note, it was weird to hear the National Anthem refer to '...Our Gracious King'.
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It is strange I would of loved to have watched The Last Night of the Proms tonight and hearing the crowd singing "god save the king" at the Oval today made me well up a bit if I am honest.
 
ShinySideUp said:
I was disappointed to learn that the BBC have cancelled The Last Night of the Proms on Saturday; surely there is no more fitting tribute to Her Majesty than this annual event celebrating all things British.

On a separate note, it was weird to hear the National Anthem refer to '...Our Gracious King'.
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I can remember singing God save the Queen for the first time After having sung God save the King as a young school boy.
I have been alive now During the Reign of Five monarchs. though only being aware of three of them.
George V, Edward VIII, George VI, Elizabeth II and now Charles III. any one born before 1936 will have done so. George V died on my first Birthday.
 
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Terrywoodenpic said:
I can remember singing God save the Queen for the first time After having sung God save the King as a young school boy.
I have been alive now During the Reign of Five monarchs. though only being aware of three of them.
George V, Edward VIII, George VI, Elizabeth II and now Charles III. any one born before 1936 will have done so. George V died on my first Birthday.
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George V must have seen me coming and nipped off just before I was born leaving me with Edward the Nazi Eighth. :)
 
sphexx said:
George V must have seen me coming and nipped off just before I was born leaving me with Edward the Nazi Eighth. :)
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He died on 20 January 1936 (murdered by his doctor)
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
He died on 20 January 1936 (murdered by his doctor)
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Yes, I know, perhaps it was his doctor saw me coming though it’s claimed it was to do with newspaper deadlines.
 
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sphexx said:
Yes, I know, perhaps it was his doctor saw me coming though it’s claimed it was to do with newspaper deadlines.
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I still have the George V silver Jubilee crown (1935) given to me at my christening. My mother had hung onto It, amongst a few others, and we found it when clearing out after she died. (The others were of dates related to my brothers.)
 
Six hour drive from Balmoral to Holyrood House and unless I missed it, I didn't see them stop for a comfort break, resolute indeed these funeral folk.

Nice to see our Northern cousins turning out in a fair amount of force to pay their respects.

King Charles is having a busy time of it too over the next few days, accordingly to the schedule on the BBC website, with visits to Westminster Hall then off to Scotland on Monday, Tuesday it's Belfast and the Northern Ireland Assembly then a prayer service before returning to London. Wednesday, a procession in London. Thursday looks like a welcome day off and then on Friday it's off to Wales. To be honest, if it was me, I think I'd just have told everyone to get lost and shut myself in a darkened room in a foetal position until it was all over. Respect for his early dedication.
 
ShinySideUp said:
Six hour drive from Balmoral to Holyrood House and unless I missed it, I didn't see them stop for a comfort break, resolute indeed these funeral folk.
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They had a break at Brechin. The TV coverage showed them turning off the road for a break, and didn't come back to them for about an hour, but by that time they were back on the road, so I'm not sure how long the break was.

I was disappointed in the BBC coverage of this. There were obvious opportunities to say things about the Queens relationship with places they passed by, or interesting historical links.

e.g when the drove past Loch Leven where Mary Queen of Scots was imprisoned mention that the current Royal Family has a blood link with Mary and that Mary was the last Scottish Monarch before the Union. Which as there is no blood link with Elizebeth I, possibly (I think) gives the Queen a stronger link with a Scottish Royal lineage than an English one.

Or as they drove past Dunfermline mention that the Queen's horse that won the St Leger was called Dunfermline, or while driving past Dundee mention you could just manage to see St Andrews where William and Kate went to University Or, that Charles, while commanding a Minehunter, was based at Rosyth when they drove past it. etc etc.
 
sphexx said:
Yes, I know, perhaps it was his doctor saw me coming though it’s claimed it was to do with newspaper deadlines.
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I think he just wanted an early night off. And had a retainer from the Times to give them the news first.
There have been other doctors with a penchant to terminate their patients.
 
sphexx said:
Yes, I know, perhaps it was his doctor saw me coming though it’s claimed it was to do with newspaper deadlines.
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The story I am aware of is that it was considered "unacceptable" to have the Kings death reported in the afternoon papers, and as death was considered imminent, it was a joint decision to bring it forward to ensure it was "properly" reported in the morning papers.
 
myotis said:
The story I am aware of is that it was considered "unacceptable" to have the Kings death reported in the afternoon papers, and as death was considered imminent, it was a joint decision to bring it forward to ensure it was "properly" reported in the morning papers.
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Apart from the “papers” bit, I don’t have any problem with that — I write as someone who has a DNCPR letter :LOL:
 
myotis said:
There has been some mention of the tributes by Boris and May, paid to the Queen in Parliament, but Ian Blackford's tribute is worth listening to, A very different style but I think it's one of the best I heard.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8qKW0F9bRc
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.... HEAR !! HEAR !!!

An excellent tribute. And one which makes me proud to be able to wear my family's Scottish tartan.
 
RedRobin said:
.... HEAR !! HEAR !!!

An excellent tribute. And one which makes me proud to be able to wear my family's Scottish tartan.
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I think it was a little unexpected by some, but I think he said it all.

As an aside, you do know that family (or clan) tartans are a Victorian invention :-)
 
myotis said:
As an aside, you do know that family (or clan) tartans are a Victorian invention :)
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.... I hadn't realised that (hence showing the limits of my Scottish knowledge!). I quite often wear my tartan bonnet and in winter my tartan scarf - It's just a symbol of respect and how I feel. As an even greater aside, my Procter tartan includes blue and white which are the colours of my Greek mother's flag, hence I pay homage to both my parents. It's a personal thing.

Either way, authentic tartan designs are very beautiful in my opinion.

Back to the topic of this thread ....
 
myotis said:
I think it was a little unexpected by some, but I think he said it all.

As an aside, you do know that family (or clan) tartans are a Victorian invention :)
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Tartans always existed, However they were regularised in Victorian times. but they are still being invented to this day.
there is nothing to stop you designing and have your own woven up.
Just like each family had their own fare isle knitting pattern to recognise their own.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
Tartans always existed, However they were regularised in Victorian times. but they are still being invented to this day.
there is nothing to stop you designing and have your own woven up.
Just like each family had their own fare isle knitting pattern to recognise their own.
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I think you misunderstand my point, I didn't say that "tartan" was a Victorian invention.

However, I got my dates wrong and more correctly I should have said that family or clan tartans was a Georgian invention, with the popularisation being more associated with Victorian times.

However, the history of tartan is too long and too complicated to hijack this thread to explain. But it is worthwhile glancing through the Wikipedia page on it.

en.wikipedia.org

Tartan - Wikipedia

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A relevant paragraph is:

"It is generally regarded that "clan tartans" date no earlier than the beginning of the 19th century, and are an example of an invented tradition. Contemporary portraits show that although tartan is of an early date, the pattern worn depended not on the wearer's clan, but rather upon his or her present affiliation, place of origin or current residence, or personal taste."
 
The queen wore the Balmoral Tartan when in Scotland. That would seem to be associated with a place rather than a clan or sept. Though most likely just an invention.

Though the power and unifying effect of wearing the Tartan was sufficient for it to be banned in 1746. It took George III to bring it back.

It was the whole style of the highland dress that was banned not just Tartan.
 
I always thought that a lot of the Scottish "mythology" I do not mean that in a derogatory way was propagated by Walter Scott.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
The queen wore the Balmoral Tartan when in Scotland. That would seem to be associated with a place rather than a clan or sept. Though most likely just an invention.

Though the power and unifying effect of wearing the Tartan was sufficient for it to be banned in 1746. It took George III to bring it back.

It was the whole style of the highland dress that was banned not just Tartan.
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There’s a bell ringing in my head that says the “plaid” was banned rather than “tartan. Am I wrong … again ;).
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
The queen wore the Balmoral Tartan when in Scotland. That would seem to be associated with a place rather than a clan or sept. Though most likely just an invention.

Though the power and unifying effect of wearing the Tartan was sufficient for it to be banned in 1746. It took George III to bring it back.

It was the whole style of the highland dress that was banned not just Tartan.
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Indeed:

"That from and after the first day of August, One thousand, seven hundred and forty-six, no man or boy within that part of Britain called Scotland, other than such as shall be employed as Officers and Soldiers in His Majesty's Forces, shall, on any pretext whatever, wear or put on the clothes commonly called Highland clothes (that is to say) the Plaid, Philabeg, or little Kilt, Trowse, Shoulder-belts, or any part whatever of what peculiarly belongs to the Highland Garb; and that no tartan or party-coloured plaid of stuff shall be used for Great Coats or upper coats."
 
No bagpipes either.
 
I wonder if king Charles will employ a full time Piper like the Queen did, to play every morning except Sundays.
He used to employ a Harpist,. Though I do not know if he still does.
 
Total respect to the coffin bearers. Those proper coffins are extremely heavy and awkward to carry, especially up steps. Folks often forget the practicalities of the situation. Eight man synchronisation for walking, lifting and lowering is an absolute precision art.
 
Pixbarmy said:
Total respect to the coffin bearers. Those proper coffins are extremely heavy and awkward to carry, especially up steps. Folks often forget the practicalities of the situation. Eight man synchronisation for walking, lifting and lowering is an absolute precision art.
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My wife tells me that it will be lead-lined ,too.
 
myotis said:
Or as they drove past Dunfermline mention that the Queen's horse that won the St Leger was called Dunfermline, or while driving past Dundee mention you could just manage to see St Andrews where William and Kate went to University Or, that Charles, while commanding a Minehunter, was based at Rosyth when they drove past it. etc etc.
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When Charles was at Rosyth he often passed myself and couple of mates waiting for the pit bus in the morning(4.30 ish), he was in command of the minesweeper when it ran aground, of course the navigator got the blame.
 
sphexx said:
Contrary to my usual practice I did watch the Accession ceremony. I was interested to see that the monarch has to give up the Crown Estates all over again in return for the Sovereign Grant as I had thought that was all done and dusted. 200 years ago.
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Was there any mention of the Billions that should be due for Inheritance Tax
 
mj4456 said:
When Charles was at Rosyth he often passed myself and couple of mates waiting for the pit bus in the morning(4.30 ish), he was in command of the minesweeper when it ran aground, of course the navigator got the blame.
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When Charles was at Rosyth, I was also at Rosyth, and on two occasions he made a very good attempt at trying to drive into me ! Once when I was on foot and a second time when I was driving.

He seemed to have no understanding of what side of the road he should be driving on, nor had he managed to work out how to use indicators. I trust his driving was safer on public roads than it was within the confines of the dockyard.

I should emphasise he wasn't trying to run into me (at least I don't think he was), as he gave the appearance of not even realising I was there.

But it does allow me the anecdote of when "The King tried to kill me" :)
 
wookie6262 said:
Was there any mention of the Billions that should be due for Inheritance Tax
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That’s a really boring old story. Neither monarch nor heir has full ownership of the duchies otherwise they would probably have sold them off and invested in Apple shares or something …

… and possibly gone bankrupt and had to be bailed out again … which AKAIK was the origin of the monarch handing over his personal possessions to HMG in return fo the sovereign grant etc.
 
mj4456 said:
When Charles was at Rosyth he often passed myself and couple of mates waiting for the pit bus in the morning(4.30 ish), he was in command of the minesweeper when it ran aground, of course the navigator got the blame.
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Didn't he crash a plane at one point as well but the crew got the blame for "letting him land it"
 
It seems that during the cortege comfort break, the funeral director removed the company sticker from the side window. Their website had crashed due to the "interest"! Shame it was a Mercedes! Lovely to see her majesty arriving home on a large military aeroplane, as we have seen with many of our fallen heroes in recent years. Also much better to see the Jaguar from Northolt to Buckingham Palace. (I understand that the Queen had a say in the design). RIP Maam.
 
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