The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

Piscator Pete said:
Sorry, Souldeep, I posted the wrong image - it HAD had PP applied - here's the 'unmucked about with' original, again taken with intention of confirming the absence of orbs, and, I think, actually exposing for the highlights a la Duncan - I do listen at times! ISO 100. Obviously would need PP if the photo were important.

It sounds as though you had a real fun time in the Forest. Used to love it there years ago when I had relations in nearby Southampton.


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Aha - that looks more like it. I think if you had of set the DR range higher then you could have recovered the shadows to a better level without blowing the highlights. Apart from that I think the image is as we'd all expect.

Still not convinced you exposed for the highlights though - if you had of those clouds wouldn't be clipped and the sun would have been more defined (as would of the specular highlights on the cars).
 
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souldeep said:
Aha - that looks more like it. I think if you had of set the DR range higher then you could have recovered the shadows to a better level without blowing the highlights. Apart from that I think the image is as we'd all expect.

Still not convinced you exposed for the highlights though - if you had of those clouds wouldn't be clipped and the sun would have been more defined (as would of the specular highlights on the cars).
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Hello Souldeep,

When you say "exposed for the highlights", do you mean in this case, 'expose for the sky (away from the sun)' or set the exposure for, say, a white shirt or any other reflecting but diffusing bright surface that might be handy? All this seems to hark back to the days of the cone you could attach to the Weston exposure meter for incident light readings, which I never did use.

I take the point about a higher DR would have perhaps made the orbs, if they are there, more apparent, although I'm rather going off that subject and stick with what I've got!

Pete
 
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Expose for the lightest part of the image - in this case it would be the sun as you've included it in the shot. This way the brightest part of the image is not burnt out then you can recover the rest of the image (if the DR is set high enough) to a visible exposure.
 
I've just picked a random one from yesterday as an example.

I exposed for the sun so it was not blown (and therefore you also get the nice sunburst ray effect). The below is just an example and I haven't actually got round to playing with any PP in detail on this image so it's just an example.

The first example is no PP. Nothing blown. Sun star bursting.

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This is with a recovery on the shadows - no blown highlights in the sky. Sun still looks pukka.

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BTW - I prefer the image no PP because I was trying to capture the warm hues of Autumn as the sun cast across the bracken and through the leaves. I doubt I would use any shadow recovery on this shot and would likely leave it as the original image, but include a white border.
 
Many, many thanks Souldeep,

This is a revelation to me. I had presumed that since the sun was so bright, there would be such a brief exposure calculated by the camera, that detail in the shadows could not possibly be recorded. I hadn't realised the full extent of Duncan's advice. Is this peculiar to the X10 or at least rare in other cameras?

Does the advice hold good for other scenes lit by an incident light source that will be in shot?

Thanks again,

Pete
 
The X10 does have a good dynamic range that allows you to recover shadows well. You can also use an X10 function that takes four different exposures and merges them into one image (HDR style).

This is available on most cameras (minus the HDR function) but I couldn't really give you comparable figures as I've been a Fuji bod for 8 years or so.
 
I'm not convinced that in the last couple of pages there's anything other than normal sensor behaviour being labelled as Orbs.
Bear with me and let me explain....

First - here's some Orbs from my old sensor....
These are what they used to look like.

This is full frame uncropped straight out the camera.
Only a tiny bit of sun squinted through a gap in the trunk.
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Here's another example full frame straight out the camera.
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Here's a 100% crop of the image showing the Orbs in more detail.
all those light units are the same size.
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Right - remember those images and what a hard-edged Orb looks like.

Here's one taken last night using the new sensor - these would have definitely produced orbs with the old sensor.
Full frame straight out the camera.
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And a 100% crop of the lights.
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The new sensor is doing the job.
... or is it ...
 
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Part 2 of the Orb hunting posts

Here's a 100% crop taken two days ago.
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Here's another 100% crop taken at the same time.
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The 'Orbs' are nothing more than the sensor being over-saturated with light and bleeding into neighbouring pixels.
Quite normal behaviour for a digital sensor.
These look nothing like the Orbs in my last post.

Now here's the rub....
They are from different cameras.
One is a 5DIII with L-glass and the other is the X10.
Can you tell which is which?
Remember - they were taken on the same trip within a couple of hours of each other.
If you are wondering why they are both slightly soft - I missed focus with the 5DIII and the X10 is at f8 and has been softened by diffraction. In both cases, I don't think the softness would detract from an A3 print.

The only thing that is for sure is this...
If you go pixel peeping in ultra high contrast situations then you will find trouble - which digital camera you are using is irrelevant.

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Here's a reminder of the extreme Orb test I conducted when I got my new sensor.
It's not perfect - but I wouldn't expect my 5DIII to do much better and the Canon glass would almost certainly have produced more flare.
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In summary - I still need convincing we are looking at Orbs.
 
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I would guess the second shot is X10 looking at the style of the specular highlights - but you make the point very well to all reading Duncan :-)
 
nog said:
Your anniversary is coming up in a few weeks Duncan, first post on this thread 13.11.11.

Have had an X10 and quite liked it but sold it to go back to a DSLR, think I made a mistake in getting the hood etc and the X10 with bits attached is not that much smaller than a small DSLR then. Need to get another compact now as the family canon compact did not like the wine. RX100 has some good reviews, with the price dropping on the current X10 wonder if X10gti is around the corner.

edit GTI - showing my age :)
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Good grief - so it is!
I'll have to treat my X10 to rub down with a damp cloth in celebration :)

Yeah - I've got a hood and ND filter...
The hood made the X10 too big to comfortably fit in my pocket and the ND produced flare.
Haven't used used either of them for ages.
 
souldeep said:
I would guess the second shot is X10 looking at the style of the specular highlights - but you make the point very well to all reading Duncan :-)
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LOL - I swapped them over in one of my edits, so that will keep people guessing :D:D:D

But you are right - the clue is the lack of flare from the X10.

Here's the full frame images.

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The X10 shot is the one with the sun in it.
How the X10 produced so little flare is utterly beyond belief!
 
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The Exif data says the first is the X10 and the 2nd the Canon 5Dlll
as does the magnification at 100%
 
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The Exif data says the first is the X10 and the 2nd the Canon 5Dlll
as does the magnification at 100%
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Yeah..
But remember it has first been softened by diffraction then rendered from RAW using Adobe's famous mosaic noise generator.

And I'll repeat just in case it gets lost in the re-quoting.....
The image quality is fine for printing to A3 :D
 
:help: - now you wouldn't hit a fella with glasses on would yer - :eek:

:lol:

To be truthful it's that very thought that has made me decide to say goodbye to EXR mode. I don't have enough control in that mode and was gutted to find out all my Greenwich Autumn shots had been firing off 6mp rather than 12mp. OK - so I'm not printing at the moment but I want to know that the shots I take could potentially be used in something like the LPRS panel you suggested in the future.
 
and now for something completely different.... :D

This photo may come as a shock to those who haven't read the early parts of this thread.
An X10 with a filter system!
This is Spiritflier, taken a couple of days ago on the TP Wye Valley Canoeing meet.
Apologies for the fake tan caused by my dodgy post-processing.
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Interestingly, Spiritflier took some into the light water reflection shots very similar to the one I posted above from my 5DIII.
I can't remember if he got his sensor upgraded.
Perhaps he'll post something telling us how that image looks when pixel peeping.
 
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Got an e-mail earlier saying my X10 is on its way back to me after sensor change! Yay! But... I'm out all tomorrow and the house will be empty! Oh no!
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
and now for something completely different.... :D

This photo may come as a shock to those who haven't read the early parts of this thread.
An X10 with a filter system!
This is Spiritflier, taken a couple of days ago on the TP Wye Valley Canoeing meet.
Apologies for the fake tan caused by my dodgy post-processing.

...

Interestingly, Spiritflier took some into the light water reflection shots very similar to the one I posted above from my 5DIII.
I can't remember if he got his sensor upgraded.
Perhaps he'll post something telling us how that image looks when pixel peeping.
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Ah, I've been meaning to ask how the X10 goes with a grad filter! It clearly looks totally bonkers. However, since I don't have a DSLR and do like landscapes, maybe I'm going to have to find out for myself...
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
and now for something completely different.... :D

This photo may come as a shock to those who haven't read the early parts of this thread.
An X10 with a filter system!
This is Spiritflier, taken a couple of days ago on the TP Wye Valley Canoeing meet.
Apologies for the fake tan caused by my dodgy post-processing.
i-q4v8z57-M.jpg


Interestingly, Spiritflier took some into the light water reflection shots very similar to the one I posted above from my 5DIII.
I can't remember if he got his sensor upgraded.
Perhaps he'll post something telling us how that image looks when pixel peeping.
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Woohoooo - Si with the X10.. it seems like a rare occurrence now-a-days :'( Would love to see some more posts from Si!

Coincidentally - I looked identical Saturday. I have the same set-up. But I can see he was using a ND GRAD - I was using a straight ND 8 with some moving water shots. Guess the use of his ND Grad means we can expect some nice sky shots from Si at some point :)
 
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Hey Neil - its a Cokin filter system. But it does add a colour tone to the piccys. I'm just looking at some of the shots I took Saturday and trying to work out if I can remove the tone PP. Will post some examples in the next few days.
 
Thanks Souldeep,

I've been thinking about a filter system for a while but wasn't sure about the practicalities of one on a compact.

Having seen the pictures of one in place has made me consider more seriously now!

Thanks again.

Neil
 
What I'd add though... Me and Si have the Cokin A range. It's very hard to find (in fact I can’t even find the straight ND’s anymore) and quite expensive. The P range is cheaper and readily available. Difference is size. It may look a bit crazy on the front of the X10 so if you go with the P range I would just buy the adapter first (you should be able to pick it up online somewhere for £8 or so) to check you feel comfortable with it on the X10.
 
hmmm, after this mornings efforts, I might need one of those ND grads if my efforts at shooting into the light are anything to go by.
I am no landscape photographer, pretty much a point and shoot kinda gal when it comes to the green stuff, but during my walk this morning, decided to give the X10 a trip out. Set to P mode, with the velvia film setting and let it do its thing. These have all had a tweak, mainly just to lift the shadows, and there are a load more on THIS flickr set. Nothing stunning, but impressed at its ability to cope in most situations.

Oh yes, any visible white blobs are not the orb issue [it's had a new sensor] but either the big ball in the sky, or the disappearing arses of a jack russells on a rabbiting mission :D

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My Woodland on the Fuji X10 by Yvonne White - WhiteGoldImages, on Flickr

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My Woodland on the Fuji X10 by Yvonne White - WhiteGoldImages, on Flickr

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My Woodland on the Fuji X10 by Yvonne White - WhiteGoldImages, on Flickr

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My Woodland on the Fuji X10 by Yvonne White - WhiteGoldImages, on Flickr

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My Woodland on the Fuji X10 by Yvonne White - WhiteGoldImages, on Flickr

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My Woodland on the Fuji X10 by Yvonne White - WhiteGoldImages, on Flickr
 
Nice set Yvonne, a typical day’s walk in the park. The camera, don’t it just make you want to jump for joy not having to lug bags of gear around to produce a nice record of the day.
 
Here’s a weird un, taken at a local pool. The trees seem to be vertical, but the pool?. 160 deg pan using monopod.

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MOD.
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Rhodese said:
Nice set Yvonne, a typical day’s walk in the park. The camera, don’t it just make you want to jump for joy not having to lug bags of gear around to produce a nice record of the day.
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It does indeed! I am hoping to get over to camden in an hour or so [fingers crossed, things are a bit mad here] so will try something totally different there and see how we get on.


As for your pano, I would expect that from a stitched one tbh, but thats if done on CS, not sure whether its normal from the X10 or not :thinking:
 
Yvonne they are lovely. Velvia mode is the way to go with Autumn! I shot pretty much exclusively in Velvia the weekend and very happy with the colours (although some people have posted in the past they find the film simulation a bit too vibrant). The sun flair shot (number 2) is really good and I the shadows in shot 3 really make that photo.

Rhodese - I'm impressed with your adjustment! How did you manage to straighten out the pond whilst leaving the trees still looking vertical? Good shot btw and the great colours in the trees. I'm assuming that this was also shot in Velvia?
 
BTW - popped into a Jessops in the city at lunch and played around with the new XF1. Feel's plasticy in comparison to the X10 but it's also much lighter and really does slip inside a suit pocket. It also has an aperture down to 1.8f. I hate to say this - but excluding the ability to use a thread on the X10 lens, and a shutter release thread in the shutter button - why would anyone pick the X10 over this new compact? It seems to have everything the X10 has plus more. Am I missing something?
 
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souldeep said:
BTW - popped into a Jessops in the city at lunch and played around with the new XF1. Feel's plasticy in comparison to the X10 but it's also much lighter and really does slip inside a suit pocket. It also has an aperture down to 1.8f. I hate to say this - but excluding the ability to use a thread on the X10 lens, and a shutter release thread in the shutter button - why would anyone pick the X10 over this new compact? It seems to have everything the X10 has plus more. Am I missing something?
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Easy to answer :)
At the long end, the lens is only f4.9 instead of f2.8 on the X10.
And the long end is only 100mm instead of 112mm
The aperture difference means shooting candids is less practical.
The X10 just gets away with it using f2 and a high ISO. The XF1 will be harder to focus and be relying on bumping up the ISO even further.

But apart from that - I agree!
The XF1 is very desirable.
 
souldeep said:
why would anyone pick the X10 over this new compact? It seems to have everything the X10 has plus more. Am I missing something?
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No viewfinder and no exposure comp. dial

Went to the Fuji booth at local photo show this weekend, played a bit with an XE1... I want one.
 
Viewfind and comp dial I can do without - but Duncan’s point about f4.9 at 4 x zoom is a good one. Harder to create that Bokeh effect and the ISO will need to pump up in darker conditions if you want to use the zoom.

Duncan - not sure I get your point regarding the candid differences. The fact it is smaller (and a hell of a lot faster at autofocus whilst I played around with it) surely makes it a better candidate - and that it really is a cam that slips into a pocket means you'll have far more opportunities to capture candid photography.

I guess what I’m slightly confused about – the X10 and this new cam seem to really cross over each other. The XPRO, X100 and X10 all stood as very individual niche uses – it feels like the X10 is sort of made a bit redundant by this new member of the x-series family.

I didn’t check if it han the ability to tripod mount – but I imagine not and if it did I would want the shutter release fitting anyway (which it dosn't have) – so X10 has a place still for me – but my street stuff I love shooting would be a hell of a lot easier using this new cam which is why I would love to hear what you mean but not being so good for candid?

Oh just edited to add - flash shoe - which I've started using for the portrait stuff I've been doing on my course. This actually is a very important difference.
 
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souldeep said:
Yvonne they are lovely. Velvia mode is the way to go with Autumn! I shot pretty much exclusively in Velvia the weekend and very happy with the colours (although some people have posted in the past they find the film simulation a bit too vibrant). The sun flair shot (number 2) is really good and I the shadows in shot 3 really make that photo.

Rhodese - I'm impressed with your adjustment! How did you manage to straighten out the pond whilst leaving the trees still looking vertical? Good shot btw and the great colours in the trees. I'm assuming that this was also shot in Velvia?
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Yes, camera set to Velvia.
To mod it, in Photoshop select all > edit>transform> warp, and then push a little, pull a little until satisfied, hit enter and whalla.
Souldeep I only posted to show the tilt in the pool? I wasn’t happy with the picture it seems a bit over cooked and the focus well? I don’t know but the trees are all wrong don’t you think? And that sloping water, I can only think it was the cameras proximity to the to the trees and the distance to the water.
 
Rhodese said:
Yes, camera set to Velvia.
To mod it, in Photoshop select all > edit>transform> warp, and then push a little, pull a little until satisfied, hit enter and whalla.
Souldeep I only posted to show the tilt in the pool? I wasn’t happy with the picture it seems a bit over cooked and the focus well? I don’t know but the trees are all wrong don’t you think? And that sloping water, I can only think it was the cameras proximity to the to the trees and the distance to the water.
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Wow - that takes some skill. I wouldn't have guessed thats the way your sorted it.

I wasn't pixel peeping at your shot (and never would with the pano's). I just look at it as an "impression" and I liked the comp and colours. Oh and I find any sort of PP with colour related sliders on the velvia mode tends to give the cooked feel you mention. Thats a personal taste - you know how my images are often over cooked for some others liking but it works for me ;)
 
At least you managed a pano of any sort, I spent about an hour in the open area of the same park last week, trying to do them and my reputation of being unable to hold a camera straight seems to have been whispered to the X10 and it kept reminding me of this fact :bang: Got so frustrated in the end that I gave up.

Anyway, just had a wonder around camden, ostensibly to use up another throwaway camera, but took the X10 too and grabbed a few bits. It is definitely SO refreshing to just have this little thing that can grab a photo rather than hauling big, heavy and in some less salubrious places, OBVIOUS, kit.

just a couple, very tweaked, just for the hell of it - will do Camden properly soon if anyone fancies joining me with their X10 too? ;)


A little piece of Camden on the X10 by Yvonne White - WhiteGoldImages, on Flickr


A little piece of Camden on the X10 by Yvonne White - WhiteGoldImages, on Flickr


A little piece of Camden on the X10 by Yvonne White - WhiteGoldImages, on Flickr
 
Nice!

And I'm game. London my manor. I suggested an X10 street shoot (plus maybe a pub) get together a while back but lacking any takers.
 
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