The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

[Yv]

Maybe we should try and get something up and running, either London, or happy to travel upto an hour or so into the wilds.... you know, oxfordshire, berkshire, etc

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Here’s a weird un, taken at a local pool. The trees seem to be vertical, but the pool?. 160 deg pan using monopod.

MOD.

Rhodese.

You need to practice your sweeps a bit more. The camera reproduces what you give it, If you do not keep it upright during the sweep it thinks that is the way the scene is. It has no concept of straight....

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Viewfind and comp dial I can do without -
QUOTE]

Strange, I take nearly every shot using both.

 

[souldeep]

I imagine you'll be far more successful in arranging an X10 meet than I've been I’m up for “counties” visit although as Autumn disappears nature shots become less appealing (although Duncan will have something to say about that statement I’m sure).

But regarding Camden - yes. PM me suggested times/dates and I’ll get back.

 

[Yv]

I imagine you'll be far more successful in arranging an X10 meet than I've been I’m up for “counties” visit although as Autumn disappears nature shots become less appealing (although Duncan will have something to say about that statement I’m sure).

But regarding Camden - yes. PM me suggested times/dates and I’ll get back.

Will do, will check diary when I get home and get back to you.

 

[souldeep]

Viewfind and comp dial I can do without -
QUOTE]

Strange, I take nearly every shot using both.

Well becuase of the 80% coverage I've tried my best to not get used to the VF.

Comp Dial I just havn't really found a use. I know you should always aim to nail a shot in the camera - but if not using manual mode the other modes have been very good at working out correct exposures. If using manual mode I just set up the correct exposure using the exposure meter on screen. Finally if I am slightly off - I can adjust in PP.

Could you give me an example of how you find it useful?

 

[allanm]

Well becuase of the 80% coverage I've tried my best to not get used to the VF.

Comp Dial I just havn't really found a use. I know you should always aim to nail a shot in the camera - but if not using manual mode the other modes have been very good at working out correct exposures. If using manual mode I just set up the correct exposure using the exposure meter on screen. Finally if I am slightly off - I can adjust in PP.

Could you give me an example of how you find it useful?

In extreme conditions or for backlighting.
Backlighting, where the subject is not illuminated by the light source and looks dark, I use the dial to increase the exposure.
In extreme lighting conditions, where the overall image is too light or too dark and the cameras exposure metre doesnt give me the effect I want, I can dial in + or _ exposure, or perhaps in snow when everything looks grey, I can increase the exposure to get the colour back to white.
Of course, all this can be done PP, but I prefer to do it at the time, spending less time correcting afterwards.
I'd miss the viewfinder too, but the XF1 looks nice. Perhaps an addition to the X10, not a replacement...
Allan

 

[Piscator Pete]

Viewfind and comp dial I can do without -
QUOTE]

Strange, I take nearly every shot using both.

Terry, re the viewfinder, I'm with you. Whilst buying binoculars, I was shown the X10 after casually enquiring if there was "small camera on the market with a viewfinder". Despite its other virtues, I certainly wouldn't have bought an X10 without a viewfinder.

This 'non-photographer' is intrigued why there should be such difference of opinion in this thread between experts who seem to be in accord on most other aspects of the X10. As in many disagreements amongst fishermen about the efficiency of various techniques, often aired with some vehemence in the angling press, I suspect there are underlying differences in physical demands as well as experience, unsuspected by the contesting individuals.

You see, it could be an age thing: my sight is very good, but I'm aware as I get older, my ability see 'see into the shadows' whilst night driving is deteriorating (sort of lack of 'DR'?) - probably owing to the pupils not readily opening up as in days of yore. Could it be this accounts for why, in normal sunlight, I find it difficult to use the LCD screen, and impossible to frame front-lit shots, whilst the 'youngsters' have no problem. Additionally, 'lack of accommodation' (presbyopia is it?) down to age, means reading glasses have to come on and off, or be perched ridiculously on the end of the nose whilst alternating glances between screen and subject.

Now, with the X10's optical viewfinder, I can leave my reading glasses in my pocket, look 'directly' at the object (how do you 'pan' a racing car with an LCD screen anyway?), and make most of the adjustments I want via the dials and levers on the instrument. Should I want to adjust via the screen, it's difficult, but in a bit of shade, my arms are just about long enough to read the text without specs!

OK, I'm used to optical viewfinders (which often incorporated rangefinders), and they in the past were about as accurate, or even worse, than that of the X10 - you learnt to adjust! However, in my opinion, if cross-hairs such as in a rifle's telescopic sight, could be introduced into the X10's viewfinder, and accurately centred on what is seen in the LCD image at infinity, it would, for me at least, be a great help. Of course, compensation for parallax would still have to be made at ranges of, say, 6 feet or less, but I'm used to that.

I should have thought, that with no clever electronics involved, this could be a cheap introduction in new cameras, and a boon to old men; I have suggested it when talking to Fuji recently about highlight anomalies (oh, all right, 'orbs').

Pete

 

[Spiritflier]

Here's a couple from last weekends' TP trip to Symonds Yat...

 

[souldeep]

Easy Si and nice to see a post from you

Two amazing Autumn shots! Quality is tight, colours warm and two brilliant perspectives. I'm gutted I didn't find out about the meet. Would have been right down my street. Although boats and electronics may have made me nervous. Was a top day to canoe down a river (although I'm guessing the hands may of got cold as mine certainly were in the New Forest without dipping putting them anywhere near water).

Is the pano using the ND Grad? I can’t tell as the colour cast is certainly not obvious. Based on the horizontal skyline an ND Grad would have worked well although the lack of cloud in that shot, and the sun behind, probably meant there was no point to using an ND grad for that shot. I’m wondering whether to go for one of these variable Grads for water shots. Saves stacking (and therefore adding more glass between the shot and the lens) in bright sunlight, means I can carry less, and if I purchase a good one I should be able to reduce the colour cast as well. Have you tried any or have any concerns about using a variable with the X10?

 

[Yv]

Terry, re the viewfinder, I'm with you. Whilst buying binoculars, I was shown the X10 after casually enquiring if there was "small camera on the market with a viewfinder". Despite its other virtues, I certainly wouldn't have bought an X10 without a viewfinder.

This 'non-photographer' is intrigued why there should be such difference of opinion in this thread between experts who seem to be in accord on most other aspects of the X10. As in many disagreements amongst fishermen about the efficiency of various techniques, often aired with some vehemence in the angling press, I suspect there are underlying differences in physical demands as well as experience, unsuspected by the contesting individuals.

You see, it could be an age thing: my sight is very good, but I'm aware as I get older, my ability see 'see into the shadows' whilst night driving is deteriorating (sort of lack of 'DR'?) - probably owing to the pupils not readily opening up as in days of yore. Could it be this accounts for why, in normal sunlight, I find it difficult to use the LCD screen, and impossible to frame front-lit shots, whilst the 'youngsters' have no problem. Additionally, 'lack of accommodation' (presbyopia is it?) down to age, means reading glasses have to come on and off, or be perched ridiculously on the end of the nose whilst alternating glances between screen and subject.

Now, with the X10's optical viewfinder, I can leave my reading glasses in my pocket, look 'directly' at the object (how do you 'pan' a racing car with an LCD screen anyway?), and make most of the adjustments I want via the dials and levers on the instrument. Should I want to adjust via the screen, it's difficult, but in a bit of shade, my arms are just about long enough to read the text without specs!

OK, I'm used to optical viewfinders (which often incorporated rangefinders), and they in the past were about as accurate, or even worse, than that of the X10 - you learnt to adjust! However, in my opinion, if cross-hairs such as in a rifle's telescopic sight, could be introduced into the X10's viewfinder, and accurately centred on what is seen in the LCD image at infinity, it would, for me at least, be a great help. Of course, compensation for parallax would still have to be made at ranges of, say, 6 feet or less, but I'm used to that.

I should have thought, that with no clever electronics involved, this could be a cheap introduction in new cameras, and a boon to old men; I have suggested it when talking to Fuji recently about highlight anomalies (oh, all right, 'orbs').

Pete

This is basically the time of life I am at too and with the same issues. The X10's viewfinder is a godsend, especially in sunlight and was one of the BIG plus points in its favour. [mind you, i recently also invested in a pair of varifocals, reading to plain glass, which are excellent for most situations, but I cannot get used to using them whilst holding a camera at my face] Yes, it would be even better if it had the digital option available in the X100, or at least some guides/settings in there, but it is still miles better then no viewfinder for me personally.

 

[souldeep]

In extreme conditions or for backlighting.
Backlighting, where the subject is not illuminated by the light source and looks dark, I use the dial to increase the exposure.
In extreme lighting conditions, where the overall image is too light or too dark and the cameras exposure metre doesnt give me the effect I want, I can dial in + or _ exposure, or perhaps in snow when everything looks grey, I can increase the exposure to get the colour back to white.
Of course, all this can be done PP, but I prefer to do it at the time, spending less time correcting afterwards.
I'd miss the viewfinder too, but the XF1 looks nice. Perhaps an addition to the X10, not a replacement...
Allan

OK - then really it seems it is about nailing it in the camera which I am in favour of.

I can think of one scenario where I might use it more – mono street – when I want to highlight a person walking but darken surrounding objects to set focus on the person. Thanks for sharing.

 

[souldeep]

This is basically the time of life I am at too and with the same issues. The X10's viewfinder is a godsend, especially in sunlight and was one of the BIG plus points in its favour. [mind you, i recently also invested in a pair of varifocals, reading to plain glass, which are excellent for most situations, but I cannot get used to using them whilst holding a camera at my face] Yes, it would be even better if it had the digital option available in the X100, or at least some guides/settings in there, but it is still miles better then no viewfinder for me personally.

It's not that I'm anti VF by any means - I'm just concerned that using the VF means I'll have to spend more time cropping. If its only offering 80% coverage I'll download the image and not like the composition as much with the extra 20% in the shot. Cropping means I'm losing all those extra pixels I'm paying £££ for. This is the same point others are making about the compo dial. nail it in the camera. Well that’s what I try my best to do with the composition so I don't have to crop. That missing 20% leaves it as guess work.

 

[Yv]

It's not that I'm anti VF by any means - I'm just concerned that using the VF means I'll have to spend more time cropping. If its only offering 80% coverage I'll download the image and not like the composition as much with the extra 20% in the shot. Copping means I'm losing all those extra pixels I'm paying £££ for. This is the same point others are making about the compo dial. nail it in the camera. Well that’s what I try my best to do with the composition so I don't have to crop. That missing 20% leaves it as guess work.

If you had to use the VF on a regular basis though, it is something you would start to automatically compensate for. My D700 is 5% short and you do get used to it, in fact I now like the fact, especially if shooting wide, that if I can only just fir something in, I know there is a bit extra there when I get the picture. 20% IS considerably more to get used to, but still doable. I would also say that whilst I [we, he likes it too] use the LCD most of the time, the VF is major plus for such situations as laid out above - it gives the best of both worlds

The part I am findig harder to adjust to is the actual sensor ratio, so used to composing on a 3:2 and the X10 isn't [what is it btw, haven't checked, but I know the pics are shorter/fatter, iykwim] I really do have to look properly to make sure I am getting it how I want.

 

[Piscator Pete]

This is basically the time of life I am at too and with the same issues. The X10's viewfinder is a godsend, especially in sunlight and was one of the BIG plus points in its favour. [mind you, i recently also invested in a pair of varifocals, reading to plain glass, which are excellent for most situations, but I cannot get used to using them whilst holding a camera at my face] Yes, it would be even better if it had the digital option available in the X100, or at least some guides/settings in there, but it is still miles better then no viewfinder for me personally.

Yes, I suspect that the X10 was designed with our sort of needs in mind, Yvonne.

When using the X100 viewfinder, are you saying you are able to switch between pure optical and only digital, or is there an option for some sort of combination of each? (I'm loathe to check an X100 out at the camera shop in case I would like it too much - it was buying binoculars there that had me ultimately getting an X10 in the first place!)

Pete

 

[Yv]

Yes, I suspect that the X10 was designed with our sort of needs in mind, Yvonne.

When using the X100 viewfinder, are you saying you are able to switch between pure optical and only digital, or is there an option for some sort of combination of each? (I'm loathe to check an X100 out at the camera shop in case I would like it too much - it was buying binoculars there that had me ultimately getting an X10 in the first place!)

Pete

*jiggles brain around to remember* I think its one or the other, but it might be overlay with both, sure someone can tell us for sure. I borrowed one in January this year for a week and having both options was a mega plus. However, the fixed lens was less good, given the reasons we wanted a compact camera - convenience! They are lovely though

 

[AESamuel]

Right. I'm sat on the sofa all day today waiting for City Link to bring me back my X10! It has been two weeks without my lovely camera!

 

[souldeep]

Right. I'm sat on the sofa all day today waiting for City Link to bring me back my X10! It has been two weeks without my lovely camera!

Good luck!

 

[Piscator Pete]

The part I am findig harder to adjust to is the actual sensor ratio, so used to composing on a 3:2 and the X10 isn't [what is it btw, haven't checked, but I know the pics are shorter/fatter, iykwim] I really do have to look properly to make sure I am getting it how I want.[/QUOTE]

I think it's 4:3 Yvonne, but like you I use 3:2 for the same reason, and accept the penalty that ensues.

Pete

 

[souldeep]

If you had to use the VF on a regular basis though, it is something you would start to automatically compensate for. My D700 is 5% short and you do get used to it, in fact I now like the fact, especially if shooting wide, that if I can only just fir something in, I know there is a bit extra there when I get the picture. 20% IS considerably more to get used to, but still doable. I would also say that whilst I [we, he likes it too] use the LCD most of the time, the VF is major plus for such situations as laid out above - it gives the best of both worlds

The part I am findig harder to adjust to is the actual sensor ratio, so used to composing on a 3:2 and the X10 isn't [what is it btw, haven't checked, but I know the pics are shorter/fatter, iykwim] I really do have to look properly to make sure I am getting it how I want.

You are right - it's something I'll get used to, which is why I'm trying my best to avoid it You know, if it was the opposite way around I would prefer to use the VF because I see a composition, watch as a person is walking into the frame then snap. With the X10 by using the LCD I can use my eye to see the scene then snap at the right point when the person is in the right place on the LCD composition - nailed. If the VF was at say 120% then I would trust it much more because I wouldn't need to move my eye away from the VF to estimate when the subject is about to enter the frame. BTW this is totally a subjective point I'm making - I know we all work differently - just airing my reasons against in interest to hear how others work and use the camera. By playing Devil’s advocate (but definitely not wanting to antagonise anyone) I usually learn something new and at worst my understanding of others is developed

BTW - I may be misunderstanding something regarding the 3:2 but you know you can set that ratio in camera right? I'm guessing yes you do, but it's got something to do with the sensor size differences I still haven’t quite got my head round (even after Duncan’s continued patience explaining it to me).

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It's not that I'm anti VF by any means - I'm just concerned that using the VF means I'll have to spend more time cropping. If its only offering 80% coverage I'll download the image and not like the composition as much with the extra 20% in the shot. Cropping means I'm losing all those extra pixels I'm paying £££ for. This is the same point others are making about the compo dial. nail it in the camera. Well that’s what I try my best to do with the composition so I don't have to crop. That missing 20% leaves it as guess work.

Very very few Viewfinders of any sort have shown 100% view or with 100% accuracy. It is only recently with LCD's that it has been possible at all and even then some only show about 95%

You very quickly become adjusted to your viewfinder. (on the X10 I fill the screen very tightly, and the 20% gives me the necessary "Slack")

As to the exposure comp wheel. This works ("I think" as I do not use them all) in all modes except manual. It can even be used in the "SWEEP PAN" and is the only way to adjust the exposure in this mode. It is certainly the easiest way to globally adjust exposure in back lit and harsh light conditions when you want to favour capturing highlight detail.
I leave mine on - 1/3 and work up and down from there.

 

[AESamuel]

Good luck!

They tried to deliver yesterday but I wasn't in :nono: so redelivery is set for today.

 

[souldeep]

John (daydreamer) - if you are still reading this thread I hope you are well (although hope you are in good health if you're not reading it as well)

Not sure if you've decided on a replacement compact as of yet but suggest you take a look at the new XF1. It could well suit your requirements and you can't get much closer to the X10 quality without actually having the X10.

 

[souldeep]

Very very few Viewfinders of any sort have shown 100% view or with 100% accuracy. It is only recently with LCD's that it has been possible at all and even then some only show about 95%

You very quickly become adjusted to your viewfinder. (on the X10 I fill the screen very tightly, and the 20% gives me the necessary "Slack")

As to the exposure comp wheel. This works ("I think" as I do not use them all) in all modes except manual. It can even be used in the "SWEEP PAN" and is the only way to adjust the exposure in this mode. It is certainly the easiest way to globally adjust exposure in back lit and harsh light conditions when you want to favour capturing highlight detail.
I leave mine on - 1/3 and work up and down from there.

Strange as my old dlr camera back when I was a yout’ (I think it was a Zenith or Zeneca or something like that) was a wider VF. I think I got used to that but take your point.

I see - well I'm using Manual more and more - especially with my landscape stuff (I've got increasingly frustrated with the camera making decisions for me although I know in most cases it makes better decisions than I probably do in Manual mode) but it’s a really good point regarding the pano function. I don’t think it would be possible to sweep straight and adjust exposure in the middle of a sweep but I guess that the ability to do so, is quite exciting. As I sweep a shot towards the sun I could bring down the exposure to save blown highlights I get if I expose for the majority of the scene. Nice one for sharing that

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Strange as my old dlr camera back when I was a yout’ (I think it was a Zenith or Zeneca or something like that) was a wider VF. I think I got used to that but take your point.

I see - well I'm using Manual more and more - especially with my landscape stuff (I've got increasingly frustrated with the camera making decisions for me although I know in most cases it makes better decisions than I probably do in Manual mode) but it’s a really good point regarding the pano function. I don’t think it would be possible to sweep straight and adjust exposure in the middle of a sweep but I guess that the ability to do so, is quite exciting. As I sweep a shot towards the sun I could bring down the exposure to save blown highlights I get if I expose for the majority of the scene. Nice one for sharing that

No you can not change exposure in the middle of a sweep.
(As when you take individual shots for a pan every thing must be fixed. exposure aperture, focus, colour balance and focal length, must not change) If you are fusing you may reset the shutter speed for each full set.

The best way to use the adjustment is to take a sweep pan and look at the histogram. then make the adjustment and take another.

When I take a Stitched pan with a Pan head, I take a number of exposures for each position then exposure fuse them before stitching.
Or make two or more processes from raw to give the increased exposure range then fuse those and stitch.

The problem with all pans, exposure wise, is that the brightness range can be far too wide to look acceptable. That is the reason for so many burnt out portions in wide pans. I very rarely extend beyond 120 degrees for that reason.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I see - well I'm using Manual more and more - especially with my landscape stuff (I've got increasingly frustrated with the camera making decisions for me although I know in most cases it makes better decisions than I probably do in Manual mode)

I separated out the reply on this so as not to confuse with my answer about pans.

The problem with "the Camera taking over" and getting it wrong is the reason that they have a compensation dial. this has been so on all advanced cameras since forever.

Cameras are surprisingly consistent in how they measure light especially in Aperture and Shutter priority modes. That is why so many photographers use one or the other most of the time. You can then dial in the necessary adjustment on the compensation dial for the conditions and subject matter based on prior experience. ( or by checking the histogram)

The more experienced the photographer the more likely they are to use this function. It was also the way photographers used their hand held exposure meters to compensate for subject failure. (small black cat against a large white background syndrome)

 

[Yv]

terry, do you need a hand with using quotes, all yours are out :| Just shout if you do

 

[Ed Sutton]

The part I am findig harder to adjust to is the actual sensor ratio, so used to composing on a 3:2 and the X10 isn't [what is it btw, haven't checked, but I know the pics are shorter/fatter, iykwim] I really do have to look properly to make sure I am getting it how I want.

I think it's 4:3 Yvonne, but like you I use 3:2 for the same reason, and accept the penalty that ensues.

Pete[/QUOTE]

I find that the screen turns into a 3:2 as soon as the info appears at the bottom when the shutter release is depressed (even when info is supposedly off). So I end up framing in that ratio anyway - and cropping later. If the camera would autocrop in RAW like it does in jpeg I'd be happier. But then I have come to like the native 4:3 ratio in portrait orientation.

 

[Rhodese]

Afternoon all,
Sorry for delay in coming back but my hands are playing up.
Yvonne, I had many problems with satisfying the X10s sweep software, I blame Arthur (Arthritis) no matter how I tried the error messages kept on coming. Using a tilt head monopod helped but it was heavy, and awkward to use as walking stick. So I made a bracket to use on a lightweight freebie I had with a magazine subscription. The bracket allowed the camera to be mounted to the pod in the portrait mode. The outcomes were much improved.
I referred to this in another thread.

Terry, thanks for that, it was probable me not standing upright or holding the monopod vertical.
And thank for the advice on using the comp dial for panoramas.

 

[DayDreamer]

John (daydreamer) - if you are still reading this thread I hope you are well (although hope you are in good health if you're not reading it as well)

Not sure if you've decided on a replacement compact as of yet but suggest you take a look at the new XF1. It could well suit your requirements and you can't get much closer to the X10 quality without actually having the X10.

I can assure you I read every single post on this thread. Yv may have my X10 (and I hope she is looking after it ) but I still find the type of discussion & photographs uploaded, on this thread, is very interesting.

I am OK but my setback last week was being told, by my Physio, to use two walking sticks (not that I can walk very far - 50/80 yards) as my gait was tilting to one side and has probably given me a bad back I started with a coupe of months ago.

So Nod (a TP member) has suggested I get something rigged up that is mouth operated But I guess I have not really been too focused (excuse the pun) on the actual taking of photos but just reading about cameras and fiddling with photos like the PP Game under PP on TP.

The XF1 was interesting to look at but I feel getting the lens out with which you need to twist to turn on and twist to zoom is not getting away from my problems with th X10. Also f1.8 is good but at maximum zoom f4.9 not so good. So bearing in mind the latter I am still looking at the Panasonic LX7 with f1.4 to f2.3 at maximum zoom.

Anyhow Souldeep thank you for remembering me

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

terry, do you need a hand with using quotes, all yours are out :| Just shout if you do

YV
I have had trouble, I am, using the blue quote button and it reads right in the message form.
but wrong in the post.
This one is definately YV;5085494 on the form, so I will see what comes up this time.
Terry

 

[souldeep]

I can assure you I read every single post on this thread. Yv may have my X10 (and I hope she is looking after it ) but I still find the type of discussion & photographs uploaded, on this thread, is very interesting.

I am OK but my setback last week was being told, by my Physio, to use two walking sticks (not that I can walk very far - 50/80 yards) as my gait was tilting to one side and has probably given me a bad back I started with a coupe of months ago.

So Nod (a TP member) has suggested I get something rigged up that is mouth operated But I guess I have not really been too focused (excuse the pun) on the actual taking of photos but just reading about cameras and fiddling with photos like the PP Game under PP on TP.

The XF1 was interesting to look at but I feel getting the lens out with which you need to twist to turn on and twist to zoom is not getting away from my problems with th X10. Also f1.8 is good but at maximum zoom f4.9 not so good. So bearing in mind the latter I am still looking at the Panasonic LX7 with f1.4 to f2.3 at maximum zoom.

Anyhow Souldeep thank you for remembering me

Hi John,

I'm sorry to hear that but at least using two sticks for a while is a solution to helping ease your back issue. I guess any camera with a shutter release thread can be mouth operated so that certainly cuts down your choices with compact cameras. Yes you are right regarding the zoomed out aperture range but more importantly the lens would be fiddly if the hands can't operate it. Oh well - I haven't played around with the LX7 but I hope it brings you some good photos

 

[souldeep]

I separated out the reply on this so as not to confuse with my answer about pans.

The problem with "the Camera taking over" and getting it wrong is the reason that they have a compensation dial. this has been so on all advanced cameras since forever.

Cameras are surprisingly consistent in how they measure light especially in Aperture and Shutter priority modes. That is why so many photographers use one or the other most of the time. You can then dial in the necessary adjustment on the compensation dial for the conditions and subject matter based on prior experience. ( or by checking the histogram)

The more experienced the photographer the more likely they are to use this function. It was also the way photographers used their hand held exposure meters to compensate for subject failure. (small black cat against a large white background syndrome)

Thanks Terry - although I've read about such exposure issues like small dark subject large white background I haven't actually found the X10 has a problem dealing with that as of yet. I will play with the exposure dial a bit more to see what I can get using it.

 

[Piscator Pete]

Part 2 of the Orb hunting posts

Here's a reminder of the extreme Orb test I conducted when I got my new sensor.
It's not perfect - but I wouldn't expect my 5DIII to do much better and the Canon glass would almost certainly have produced more flare.

In summary - I still need convincing we are looking at Orbs.

Hello Duncan,

I forgot to thank you for the care taken posting the comprehensive series of shots which accompanied the above truncated quote.

As a new boy, this really gave me perspective on the whole subject, offering as it does, direct comparison with the way my X10 has behaved, before and after sensor change. My camera would seem to be working as well as anyone else's - shame about the bloke behind it!

Pete

 

[DuncanDisorderly]

Hello Duncan,

I forgot to thank you for the care taken posting the comprehensive series of shots which accompanied the above truncated quote.

As a new boy, this really gave me perspective on the whole subject, offering as it does, direct comparison with the way my X10 has behaved, before and after sensor change. My camera would seem to be working as well as anyone else's - shame about the bloke behind it!

Pete

No problem.
Now stop worrying about the X10 and get out there and take some more piccies

 

[AshleyC]

just a quicky i did for our companies monthly photo comp, theme of Nostalgia. I wanted to throw the background out but normal mode couldnt really do it, so Pro Focus mode to the rescue. It does a pretty good job of things and shouldnt be ignored if you need the effect.

 

[DuncanDisorderly]

just a quicky i did for our companies monthly photo comp, theme of Nostalgia. I wanted to throw the background out but normal mode couldnt really do it, so Pro Focus mode to the rescue. It does a pretty good job of things and shouldnt be ignored if you need the effect.

I was trying to work out why you didn't use the D800 instead of the X10.
Then it dawned on me - you needed the D800 in the piccy :bang:

Nice image

 

[souldeep]

Essexash - that has come out very well! Looks like you fired that off at softness 3 to get that great bokeh effect.

You may have seen my example of my GF some pages back. That didn't do so well. The problem I have is on the LCD the shot looks nailed, but as soon as you get it downloaded and view it at any sort of normal size I then notice the edge and blurring problems. I haven’t found a way around this as of yet but I have noticed that hard-line objects seem to work slightly better whilst portraits (which the function is really aimed at) don’t.

If anyone has any ideas on how to limit the blurring problem I’m open to experimenting but at this current time I’m writing off the function so I don’t have to throw away one off shots of moments I thought I had nailed out in the field.

 

[Yv]

YV
I have had trouble, I am, using the blue quote button and it reads right in the message form.
but wrong in the post.
This one is definately YV;5085494 on the form, so I will see what comes up this time.
Terry

Yep, that one is right - the best way to check is that the quote tags are at the beginning and end of the text in the reply box, then type after them.

 

[Yv]

Btw, for ALL X10 owners, Martyn [souldeep] and I are meeting up in Camden on 11th November to have a wonder round with the X10's, so if anyone fancies joining us, just shout. Planning afternoon & some early evening pics to get a range of lighting conditions....oh and of course, plenty of coffee and maybe the odd wine/beer I can advise on free parking if anyone is worried about London and its high charges