The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

Terry - thanks for showing us the difference between using the inbuilt Pano function and the software to stich the photo's together. I prefer the perspective of the stitch method but prefer the realistic colours and exposure balance of the inbuilt pano function. I think it must be quite hard to get a consistent colour balance between 6 or 7 photos in the stitch method.

Andy – loved your Liverpool set. Great light and I think your Pano looked seriously impressive. The crayons seem to be featuring in a number of talkphotography shots submitted of late!

Duncan – talk about taking a risk to get the shot. Not for sufferers of vertigo or to be attempted on high wind days. Like your style! The child in the stone shot – I see Witney Houston!

James N – Your autumn shot is very very good. The light you have caught is lovely and warm. Great command of the camera. Look forward to seeing more of your work.
 
Terry - thanks for showing us the difference between using the inbuilt Pano function and the software to stich the photo's together. I prefer the perspective of the stitch method but prefer the realistic colours and exposure balance of the inbuilt pano function. I think it must be quite hard to get a consistent colour balance between 6 or 7 photos in the stitch method.
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Actually it is not difficult to get the colour right, but as I mentioned I forgt to set the colour balance to manual, so I had five different balances.
(If I had taken them in raw I could have corrected for colour balance by setting the same on each, when they were developed)

The shots should have been identical in colour to the sweep shot, as the sweep sets and locks the colour balance (and every thing else) on the first exposure.
 
i just wanted to say thanks to si :thumbs:
he taught me something about the x10 today ,its been bugging me that i thought you had to turn on the camera (so remove lens cap) to view pics you have taken
well you dont !!! just hold down the green play arrow and you can see them !!! :cool:you probably all know this already but i'm happy about it:D
 
Jim, Souldeep (superb photos thoughout this thread BTW), thanks. I wish I could say it was down to skill, but it was down to having the camera at just the right time. Something I wanted to achieve with a compact. It's a keeper though so I've treated mine to a Gariz half case and very smart it looks too. The present dull weather should disappear by the weekend so I'm looking forward to getting out and about and having a good play with the X10.

Cheers

James
 
why thank you Mr Deep :)

the crayons do appear lots yes, i think the funniest thing is that they're the outside of a costa coffee shop or something, really normal and not exciting :) if anybody reading this finds themselves looking at the crayons, look behind you, theres a fantastic chippy opposite :thumbs:
 
:(well my x10 is on its way back to fuji for repair
multiple problems
hopefully it gets sorted and quickly ,ive had it less than a month.
 
Thanks for all the replies about your refurbs.

Looks like I was unlucky then.

Box looks like it has been sat on,
every accessory has been used,
instruction manual torn and dirty
loads of hairline scratches on the lcd
and the optical viewfinder is loose and wobbles

Body wise it is excellent not a mark that I can see
and as far as I've tried it is all working as it should be..

Dilemma - do I send it back for another?

Spoke to Fujifilm on Mon, who confirmed that the viewfinder shouldn't wobble.
They sent out a bag to send the camera back to them. Which arrived yesterday, I managed to pop it in the post late yesterday afternoon.

I have opted for a replacement rather than a refund, hopefully this time I'll get a good un.
 
Well sad to say I've just packaged up my x10 ready for the next person :(

I detailed my problems earlier in the thread about the speed of the focus for children etc...

I've replaced the x10 with a nikon j1 with 10-30 and 30-110 lenses. Although it doesn't look half as retro as the x10 it certainly performs better at focusing and the low light capabilities are better too.

The only thing letting it down is the relatively slow lenses compared to the x10 but hopefully nikon will sort that soon...

So the x10 sold last night on eBay (who by the way are robbing b's)

I've enjoyed this thread
 
i just wanted to say thanks to si :thumbs:
he taught me something about the x10 today ,its been bugging me that i thought you had to turn on the camera (so remove lens cap) to view pics you have taken
well you dont !!! just hold down the green play arrow and you can see them !!! :cool:you probably all know this already but i'm happy about it:D

Well, b****r me :gag:, so it does.....
I was wondering about this a couple of days ago

Allan
 
Well, b****r me :gag:, so it does.....
I was wondering about this a couple of days ago

Allan

:lol:

Classic - and thats coming from one of the X10 thread old timers!

I know it's a pain - but I highly recommned going through the thread from beginning to end as I found out about the viewing of images, from this thread, back around March. There is such a wealth of information tucked into these 142 pages that going :eek: is worth it :thumbs:
 
Well sad to say I've just packaged up my x10 ready for the next person :(

I detailed my problems earlier in the thread about the speed of the focus for children etc...

I've replaced the x10 with a nikon j1 with 10-30 and 30-110 lenses. Although it doesn't look half as retro as the x10 it certainly performs better at focusing and the low light capabilities are better too.

The only thing letting it down is the relatively slow lenses compared to the x10 but hopefully nikon will sort that soon...

So the x10 sold last night on eBay (who by the way are robbing b's)

I've enjoyed this thread

Ben - it certainly is a real shame on many levels however I for one will miss your postings and your photo's! Good luck with the new camera and I'm sure I will see you else where around the forum if I ever get a chance to pull myself away from the X10 thread :)
 
Jim, Souldeep (superb photos thoughout this thread BTW), thanks. I wish I could say it was down to skill, but it was down to having the camera at just the right time. Something I wanted to achieve with a compact. It's a keeper though so I've treated mine to a Gariz half case and very smart it looks too. The present dull weather should disappear by the weekend so I'm looking forward to getting out and about and having a good play with the X10.

Cheers

James

Hey James, I kind of agree with you - but that’s not to belittle your command of the camera. Being in the right place at the right time counts for much more than the most expensive camera in anyone’s hands. What else though, that is important, is the eye and interpretation of the individual behind the camera. You saw that shot, others may well have walked straight past. Our “eye” is the most important tool any of us possess in photography :)

Yay - you're right - the weather is looking promising. I'd better get those batteries charging for the weekend as I have about 10 now!
 
Hello,

I am not really a joiner of clubs and forums and so might be speaking for many out here who, like me, have been enjoying this thread with all its information and goodwill, but are never likely to make a connection, let alone a contribution.

A month or two ago saw me buying Leica compact binoculars I’d promised myself for donkey’s years, and casually asked the assistant if there were such a thing as a compact camera with a viewfinder, because I find an LCD screen almost impossible to use in bright light. He showed me an X10, which, being brought up on 1950’s rangefinder cameras, was immediately attractive to me. The price put me off (I’d just bought the bins!), but the thought of the thing nagged away at me, and I have now had one for some weeks.

“Orbs” and a subsequent focussing error mean that the X10 has had to go back to Fujifilm twice now, but “Dale” there couldn’t have been more courteous and helpful. I had sent photos of the Wells Cathedral west front to Fuji to demonstrate the problem, and was there again yesterday to test the repair. It was on the near-deserted Cathedral Green, I came across this juggler practising his skill, and realised what an ‘ice-breaker’ the X10 is: after a few stills, I put the camera in movie mode, and just pressed the release – I dunno anything about video, but the juggler was delighted to see the clip; the first time in 5 years of juggling and busking he has ever seen himself in action! (He was good – at one stage juggling 7 ‘skittles’.)

Incidentally, by luck, the shot was a single one, happening to catch the moment he dropped the yellow ‘skittle’. It was late afternoon with heavy cloud cover, and the shot underexposed, but recoverable.

So, the X10 is a versatile little device, and can win you friends!

Many thanks to you all for such entertaining education, and for the incredible demonstration of artistic flair from you which makes me remember why I gave up photography (other than for record purposes), when I was in my twenties.

Pete
compleat-tangler
 
Many thanks Duncan,

I thought I'd included the picture, but sent a big red kiss instead! Yv, the moderator, explains how to do it - should have read the instructions first! I'll get there, but don't hold your breath - the photo's not that good.

No, in the end I got a cracking deal on a brand new camera from ebay - still feel guilty about not going back to the shop that put me on to the X10 - but the £80 saving clinched it I'm afraid.
 
:lol:

Classic - and thats coming from one of the X10 thread old timers!

I know, but I'm of an age where I start to forget stuff and from an era where you dont read the manual, ask directions while driving or seek help looking for things in a shop!

Allan
 
Pete - welcome :-) I second Duncan - great post. For some reason I can't see your picture... have you removed it from FLICKR already? Have fun with the X10 and shoot. Remember it's not always about the technical excellence of a shot but the moment you capture so post away and share.

:D Allan - me too - to the infuriation of my girlfriend! I do read manuals now though - I tend to play first, figure out stuff, then go to a manual and go "oooh.. that's what that's for" ;-)

Andrew - both nice shots but the abstract nature of the first wins it for me - great composition :-)
 
Pete - welcome to TP!
A cracking first post - but it needs piccies ;)

Did you buy your X10 in Wells?
That's where I got mine :)

Well, Duncan, I’m a bit shy of presenting my workaday shots in such talented company, but if there is interest in what a ‘non-photographer’ (but a friend to photographers!) does with what is rapidly becoming an iconic bit of equipment, then here goes:

After my encounter with the juggler, I sought ‘comfort’ in the cathedral cloister – there is a better class of loo there – and was taken by the lighting set into the stone floor (in the cloister, not the loo) which I noticed for the first time in spite of visiting the place at least once a week for many years; no photographer’s ‘eye’ like you chaps (and chapesses too - sorry) you see!

In the failing light, my brain, forty-years out-of-date, guessed that even the old Ilford HPS (eventually 800ASA was it?) would be struggling, and thought it an excellent opportunity to try out the Pro Low-Light function. OK, this is the pretty mundane stuff you’d expect of me, but what is interesting is that the straight-out-of-the-camera photo is in my opinion well over-exposed (by more than a stop I reckon, but no fault of the technology). For comparison, I include the edited shot with the gamma generously adjusted to give the same subjective atmosphere as I experienced on the day. It just goes to show how much I have to adapt from the days of chemical photography – coming new to digital, I can’t believe how absolutely amazing it all is, and what can be achieved at the touch of a button which would take hours, or not at all (and at great cost) in the darkroom.


Pro Low-Light unedited by peter_garbutt, on Flickr


Pro Low-Light with adjustment to gamma by peter_garbutt, on Flickr

I'm not really interested in video, but stuck the X10 into "Movie Mode", pointed and pressed. The juggler was delighted at seeing himself perform for the first time, and declared that he was relieved to see that he had a "very good technique", whatever that may mean. He then started asking about resolution and fps of which I hadn't a clue, and might still not bother with:

[flash=http://www.flickr.com/apps/video/stewart.swf?v=109786]width="400" height="225" flashvars="intl_lang=en-us&photo_secret=fa4bd23b0e&photo_id=8121356065" bgcolor="#000000" allowFullScreen="true"[/flash]

I don't want to push my luck on this forum and will soon run out of anything to contribute anyway, but if the subject hasn't been done to death already, would there be any interest in my encounter with "orbs" (used to think that was just about coronations), focus problems, and what's been done? Incidentally, I think sharp eyes will detect orbs 'bleeding' into the surrounding stonework of the above shots, even though the sensor has been replaced. Not really a problem here, but it has been with backlit waterside shots in sunlight, which is of concern (I fish a bit). If we ever get any sun again, I'll see if the phenomenon persists - the camera has been back to Fuji twice, returning last Monday: dull and grey ever since.

Pete
 
Pete - are you a writer by trade?

The composition is spot on in your shot. Draws the eye down the corridor and theres a lovely texture to the columns. A great photo :)

Yes please do share. It's true Orbs were done to death - but not on the new sensor!
 
Pete - welcome :-) I second Duncan - great post. For some reason I can't see your picture... have you removed it from FLICKR already? Have fun with the X10 and shoot. Remember it's not always about the technical excellence of a shot but the moment you capture so post away and share.

Dear "Souldeep",

How kind of you to say so!

As I've said elsewhere, I'm not really a photographer in the sense that most of you are on this forum. I started developing film and contact printing at age 11, encouraged by a wonderfully over-indulgent uncle, who went on to provide me with a 35mm coupled-rangefinder camera, secondhand developing tank, and enlarger the next year in 1956. I loved it, but in my early twenties, the enthusiasm evaporated as I realised that continuing interest could only be sustained by artistic ability which I've never had.

Don't get me wrong - I produced good prints and 'composed' good shots by the conventions of the time - you know the sort of thing: no telephone poles growing out of heads in portraits; covering expanses of sky with a convenient overhanging leafy branch; using a 'lead-in' to a photo, with the subject not necessarily in the middle etc.etc..

But to have the sort of talent that Duncan praises in you, I would have given my eye teeth for in those days. And Duncan, ARPS - you don't get many of those to the square mile! I used to drool over the brilliance in "Amateur Photographer" (yes, even in the days before the more 'steamy' stuff!) hoping that I would acquire such displayed talent by a sort of osmosis. Never happened.

So, in spite of all the advantages I had at a young age, I don't try any more - just content myself with aiming to produce the odd snapshot as a record of my other hobbies, with as much quality as I can inject.

I can only echo what Duncan has said - don't let the lecturers iron the flair out of you: very likely they have little more talent than me, but lots of rules to guide their mediocrity.

Pete
 
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Pete - are you a writer by trade?

The composition is spot on in your shot. Draws the eye down the corridor and theres a lovely texture to the columns. A great photo :)

Yes please do share. It's true Orbs were done to death - but not on the new sensor!

Hello again Souldeep,

Oh golly - does it sound that pompous? No, in a previous life, mathematics dominated, but not even that at a very high level. I did have to scribble the odd line now and again though.

Thanks for your comment on the shot - you and I both know it fulfils the 'rules', but is as boring as I knew it would be. It was only taken as I saw an opportunity to try out "Pro Low-light". As it is, I realise the function is for even lower light levels, so the experiment taught me something.

Fuji replaced the sensor, returning the camera still with its orbs in place it seems, but also with an additional fault in the form of a focus problem. They have returned the X10 for a second time and the focus is spot on, but I haven't been able to check the orbs or lack of them in backlit water side shots yet. Looking at the picture of the cathedral cloister this morning, I noticed a 'bleed' into the surrounding stonework - I hope this is spurious, and rippling water in strong sunlight won't provide corroborative evidence. I shan't post any pictures until there's sun, and I can get more evidence.

I forgot to say in my last reply to you: sorry about access to the image of the juggler - I decided to limit this on the basis that this very pleasant young chap had not given his permission to use any images of him, and might be sensitive to a potential public display. Mind you, despite this, the video's available to anyone, isn't it?

Pete
 

Interestingly...
On my monitor here, the first shot looks better exposed than the second (modified) shot.
In the second, the shadows on the bottom right are deep deep black with no detail.
If you had wanted this effect then a stop or more of under exposure would have been needed at the time of taking; this would have reduced the exposure problem being caused by the direct sunlight blobs and may have prevented the light leakage you have observed.
I'm not convinced those blobs are Orbs, even my DSLR would struggle with the edges of such extreme contrast - needs more testing :)

One quick way to tell if your monitor is roughly OK (or not), is to look at this link.
http://outbackprint.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi049/essay.html
It's aimed at printing, but the stated things to look for in the image apply just as well to the monitor screen.
Please have an experiment and report back - ta.
 
Many thanks for the link Duncan – I’ll look into my monitor calibration. At the moment, I have it adjusted to work well with the printer software to produce consistent prints, and so have achieved a sort of personal standardisation that might affect pictures that I post.

Those blobs are not sunlight Duncan!

In fact, there was little ambient daylight of any sort, in spite of the unedited shot looking typical of illumination by indirect or diffuse sun. This photo was taken on Tuesday at nearly 5pm, and you’ll probably remember we have had, in our part of the world, uninterrupted thick cloud and mist each day since the weekend, and from perhaps before that. Like me, you were probably unaware that these floor lights had been installed in the cloister. Had there been any sort of sunlight, I wouldn’t have dreamed of using Pro Low-Light, even as an experiment.

The pillars you describe WERE to the naked eye nearly deep black and without detail, and that was the point of the experimental shot and my reason for posting. I am not knocking the X10 technology, just wondering at it! Clearly, although the scene looked dark enough to use Pro Low-Light, it wasn’t, if a ‘natural’ appearance were to be maintained. When next there in similar conditions, I’ll see what the X10 can do in ‘Manual’.

Pete
 
Many thanks for the link Duncan – I’ll look into my monitor calibration. At the moment, I have it adjusted to work well with the printer software to produce consistent prints, and so have achieved a sort of personal standardisation that might affect pictures that I post.

Those blobs are not sunlight Duncan!

In fact, there was little ambient daylight of any sort, in spite of the unedited shot looking typical of illumination by indirect or diffuse sun. This photo was taken on Tuesday at nearly 5pm, and you’ll probably remember we have had, in our part of the world, uninterrupted thick cloud and mist each day since the weekend, and from perhaps before that. Like me, you were probably unaware that these floor lights had been installed in the cloister. Had there been any sort of sunlight, I wouldn’t have dreamed of using Pro Low-Light, even as an experiment.

The pillars you describe WERE to the naked eye nearly deep black and without detail, and that was the point of the experimental shot and my reason for posting. I am not knocking the X10 technology, just wondering at it! Clearly, although the scene looked dark enough to use Pro Low-Light, it wasn’t, if a ‘natural’ appearance were to be maintained. When next there in similar conditions, I’ll see what the X10 can do in ‘Manual’.

Pete

The exposure compensation dial would do the trick too :)
 
Those "blobs" are uplighters. I've taken a look at the picture in the highest resolution and I can see what you mean. It would be great if you could test in the same spot in manual. My guess is the "bleed" is more to do with the pro-light in camera processing than the sensor. If you have set your camera to save advance function images you'll be able to look at the four individual images that make up a Pro-light shot and tell if it was the moment of recording each shot, or the after effect of the in camera processing. I have to be honest and say that the advanced functions are the weakest point of the camera. Pro-focus is great when it works, but it's so unreliable that I won't use it anymore (very hard to tell on the LCD screen, whilst in the field, if there is a problem with the Pro-focus shot). Good thing about this though - it's software so it's fixable if Fuji concentrate on sorting the existing functions rather than adding new ones.
 
Don't get me wrong - I produced good prints and 'composed' good shots by the conventions of the time - you know the sort of thing: no telephone poles growing out of heads in portraits; covering expanses of sky with a convenient overhanging leafy branch; using a 'lead-in' to a photo, with the subject not necessarily in the middle etc.etc..

I can only echo what Duncan has said - don't let the lecturers iron the flair out of you: very likely they have little more talent than me, but lots of rules to guide their mediocrity.

Pete

Thanks Pete – Like Duncan it’s very kind of you to place a label like "flair" or "talent" against the shots I've taken. To be frank, being there, in the moment, counts for a hell of a lot. Not easy to produce lots of interesting photos if you spend most of your life in a small town without much travel (that is not a reference to you btw). I'm amazed how many people have now warned me away from the lecturers. I guess there must have been quite a few bad experiences for others in this respect.

:lol: No writing not at all pompous! Quite humorous and very well written. That’s why I asked if you write on professional level.

I actually don’t find that shot boring – and composition goes a hell of a long way in a shot. Someone without the understanding of composition, or lacking that natural eye, would have taken a snap in a similar place to you, probably standing in the middle of the corridor, and the picture really would have turned out as a flat uninteresting shot. I say it again – the perspective is spot on and I love the diagonals rule in that shot. You have made a reasonably uninteresting scene interesting. That’s a skill :)
 
The exposure compensation dial would do the trick too :)

Yes, of course - hadn't thought of that! If there is a genuine noise reduction benefit with Pro Low-Light (haven't yet tested that), then it would be as well to take advantage of it in marginal conditions, wouldn't it?

Monitor creen calibration: amazingly, seems almost spot-on!

Pete
 
Those "blobs" are uplighters. I've taken a look at the picture in the highest resolution and I can see what you mean. It would be great if you could test in the same spot in manual. My guess is the "bleed" is more to do with the pro-light in camera processing than the sensor. If you have set your camera to save advance function images you'll be able to look at the four individual images that make up a Pro-light shot and tell if it was the moment of recording each shot, or the after effect of the in camera processing. I have to be honest and say that the advanced functions are the weakest point of the camera. Pro-focus is great when it works, but it's so unreliable that I won't use it anymore (very hard to tell on the LCD screen, whilst in the field, if there is a problem with the Pro-focus shot). Good thing about this though - it's software so it's fixable if Fuji concentrate on sorting the existing functions rather than adding new ones.

"Uplighters", of course - thanks!

Yes, I hope your guess is right about the 'bleed'. What a good idea about looking at each individual shot of the Pro-light thing. And you say you have a deficiency in the technical department!

However, it's sun on water that gives me problems - at night when most orbs seem to be about, I prefer to watch the telly!

Pro-focus is like most of those hot air hand-driers - a good idea that almost works! I'm afraid I only attempted to use it once, and after few successes, lost interest and gave up.

Hear, hear to your last sentence!
 
"Uplighters", of course - thanks!

However, it's sun on water that gives me problems - at night when most orbs seem to be about, I prefer to watch the telly!

Any chance you can post an example that comes from your camera post sensor swap?
 
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Any chance you can post an example that comes from your camera post sensor swap?

Hello again,

Yes, of course. The first is a 'lightly cropped' shot produced by the camera fresh out of the box before being whisked off to Fuji:


X10 with reflection anomalies (orbs) by peter_garbutt, on Flickr

The second is a shot taken on a bright Sunday morning, a few days after receiving it back from Fuji the first time:


DSCF9373 by peter_garbutt, on Flickr

The last shot here is taken minutes after the one above, but to demonstrate the acquired additional focus problem, at minimum focal length, and as big a stop as I could obtain on the day. If I focussed on the centre, extreme right of frame was out; if manually adjusted for the extreme right be 'in' (as in this example), most of the rest of the photo was 'out'. Stopping down and/or increasing the focal length, improved matters very significantly.


DSCF9375 by peter_garbutt, on Flickr

The camera came back on Tuesday, with the focus perfect - my shots of Wells Cathedral on that day proved it. Apparently, the engineers had initially installed the new sensor so that it wasn't at right-angles to the axis of the lens. That makes sense to me, but what doesn't, is the second worksheet that says just the lens was replaced. I'm confused - some say the units are separate, others that one is an integral part of the other.

As you know, the jury is still out as far as the orbs are concerned.

I'm certainly not 'Fuji bashing' here - they have been courteous and helpful.

Look I hope this is all OK - I suddenly seem to be hogging this site with my amateurish stuff.

Pete
 
Peter, while there maybe some Pros and Associates of this and that on this forum, many of us are just ordinary folks trying to take good pictures with a camera they (mostly) love. Your discussions and approach to problems are very interesting to me. I've never bothered with Pro Low Light (the camera is a cracker in low light with Auto ISO 1600 anyway), and I don't think I will now! It's really intertesting to see how others approach and respond to issues. Definitely could see orbs in shot 2; none in mine after sensor replacement, but I'm going to have to send for a box as the thumb grip is off again!
 
NOOOO Jason, this is a X10 forum, no pictures of cake, pleeeeeeaaaase! Oh well (gives in)... :exit:
 
Peter, while there maybe some Pros and Associates of this and that on this forum, many of us are just ordinary folks trying to take good pictures with a camera they (mostly) love. Your discussions and approach to problems are very interesting to me. I've never bothered with Pro Low Light (the camera is a cracker in low light with Auto ISO 1600 anyway), and I don't think I will now! It's really intertesting to see how others approach and respond to issues. Definitely could see orbs in shot 2; none in mine after sensor replacement, but I'm going to have to send for a box as the thumb grip is off again!

Thanks for your reassurance, Chris - it's just that everyone seems to have such professional quality in their shots, it's easy to become overawed. Each contributor is so jolly nice, it makes you even more sensitive about any indiscretions you might commit!

It sounds as though you're telling me that there are possibly more orbs with the new sensor than the old on my camera, which is a bit worrying! We'll see, if the sun ever shines again and sparkles off water (bit poetic, that).

No, I'm sure you're right about Pro Low-Light - I've had the camera so little time; I'm just trying everything out, and get a 'feel' for all things digital. At the moment, I have to relate back to what I used to know about film, and that can be misleading. Only a little over a month ago, I hadn't even a clue what shooting RAW was about - never heard of it!

Shame about the thumb grip.

Pete
 
Hi Pete - I second Chris's statement. Also it's very relevant to all of us as I was certain the orb issue had been put to bed with the sensor swap.

I certainly see the orbs in the shot you've posted after the sensor swap. I haven't got round to processing my Japan trip shots as of yet - but if it's still an issue my shots could potentially be full of them as I was taking a hell of a lot of night-time shots.

BTW - shame about the focus issue that has messed up the shot - I see you like working diagonal composition into a number of your shots. Astetically very pleasing :-)
 
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Jason - cracking set. Composition is tight as well. You have quite a street shot skill that comes through those pictures. Very good eye :-)
 
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