The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

Here's a few from a walk last Saturday.
My favourite walk in Somerset; Charterhouse to Cheddar and back.

Autumn Mutton (as opposed to Spring Lamb)
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Tunnel through the trees
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Cheddar Gorge
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Cheddar and Axbridge Reservoir seen from Cheddar Gorge.
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Wow, thanks Rhodese. Very kind!

McShrug: Thanks very much for the info about Fuji - I'll do that. And, yes I did buy a refurb and it was pristine. If they'd told me it was brand new, never been touched I'd have believed them - and maybe it would even have been true.

Lovely set of Cheddar and that flower, WOW. Thanks for the settings info.
 
McShug said:
As we are talking refurbs

Those of you that have bought one.

Could you describe the condition you received your X10 in.

What is acceptable or unacceptable to you condition wise?
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My first refurb arrived with a fault (which I've already mentioned on here) -- the viewfinder was not correctly aligned and was at an angle to the lens/sensor. Other than that it was in immaculate condition.

I returned it and was sent a replacement, also in very good condition. There were no notable scratches, although there were a couple of tiny marks near the door for the USB socket. The dealbreaker was that the text on the Menu/OK button was at an angle to the text on the other buttons -- the button had been turned around by around 20 degrees.

To be honest it was just a cosmetic fault, but it undermined my confidence in the quality of the refurbs. I thought about asking for another, but in the end returned it and bought a brand new X10 from Amazon for £319. This was when the refurbs were £275 plus P&P, though, so the difference seemed reasonable. At £256 I might have tried one last refurb.

The good thing is that throughout the process, Fuji's customer service staff were excellent -- really helpful and efficient. They even posted my UV filter back to me when I accidentally left it on the second returned camera.
 
Duncan - I really dig the last two. Great perspective on the gorge - a feat often hard to achieve becuase I find that what we see with the eye as a percieved depth of field and what a camera records are quite different. I think the cars help the viewer percieve the scale. The shot with Axbridge Reservoir is really sharp. Did you try a pano from that same spot?
 
souldeep said:
Duncan - I really dig the last two. Great perspective on the gorge - a feat often hard to achieve becuase I find that what we see with the eye as a percieved depth of field and what a camera records are quite different. I think the cars help the viewer percieve the scale. The shot with Axbridge Reservoir is really sharp. Did you try a pano from that same spot?
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Ta :D
I should have tried a pano!
The wide-wide format was one of the reasons I took the X10 instead of a big camera; but I plain forgot!
Only excuse is that I'm really struggling with a cold/flu at the moment and the weekend was a constant battle with fatigue and general world spinniness.
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
Hmmm - I'm not sure you have got this yet :)
Try f2 at the wide end and at the long end of the lens.
Same results?
They should have totally different DoF.

As posted earlier, f2 on the X10 is equivalent to f8 on a full frame DSLR.
Traditional landscapes are shot at the wide end on the lens, and f8 is usually more than enough. The only exception is the style of landscape shot with something really close in the foreground; if you want these sharp right the way to the horizon then it is always going to be a challenge and it isn't really any easier with the DSLR than it is with the X10 - but that's where tilt/shift lenses and large format field cameras come into their own as they re-write the rules about DoF.

In summary - there is very little difference between the X10 and a DSLR providing:
1) compare equivalent focal length (X10 focal length written on the barrel)
2) compare equivalent aperture (f2 X10 = f8 35mm, f4 X10 = f16 35mm)
The bit in bold is the important bit :)
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Hey Duncan,

I've been reading up on this subject - You may have noticed but Ed Bray pointed out the issue regarding the leaf oof in the scene from last weekend. We talked about f11 being used but I'm not sure that is right based on your post above. Sounds like f3 on the X10 is about equiv of F11 on an SDLR.

Hyperfocal point is something I didn't understand but hopefully do now. It's the compromise you can make between your foreground and background focus. So in Ed's discussion he would have compromised a bit of the sharpness on the distant skyscrapers in favour of sharpness on the leaf. I guess the easiest way for me to do that is auto focus on the distant subject then manual focus back towards the foreground subject until I see the best compromise (the hyperfocal). One thing concerns me regarding this though - you can't always spot softness or oof on the LCD screen. You don't know until you get home.

So in summary;

Not much point going higher than F4 on the X10 as defraction issues would be counterproductive to the sharpness we try to achieve in deep DOF landscape shots.

For me to try and get a successful foreground and background focal shot around f3 with a bit of playing to find the hyperfocal distance.

If they fail - follow Ed's advice and take three different focal length shots and overlay them in CS5.

Now that has me thinking - wouldn't a good software function for the X10 be an option like 'Pro Deep DOF' - an opposite of 'Pro Focus' that fires off three consecutive shots focusing foreground, hyperfocal and background that then merges them into one shot :naughty:
 
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souldeep said:
Now that has me thinking - wouldn't a good software function for the X10 be an option like 'Pro Deep DOF' - an opposite of 'Pro Focus' that fires off three consecutive shots focusing foreground, hyperfocal and background that then merges them into one shot :naughty:
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That would be an awesome feature!!!! :clap:
If anyone from Fuji reads this - pretty please!

The rest is sorta making sense :)
However, the one thing I will ram home is that there is nothing wrong with using apertures in excess of f4 as long as it is an informed decision.
Some examples.
If you want extra-deep-DOF (e.g. macro) then winding up to f8 or f11 is the way to go. The image may not be optimally sharp viewed at 100% but often that doesn't matter.
If you want star bursts around bright lights then f11 is a good way to get them.
In bright light I've found P mode often selects greater than f4 because it has already hit the max shutter speed and has no choice. No problem :)

Ditto for f2
On my 24-105 you wouldn't use f4 (equivalent to f2 on the X10) at 24mm unless you had to as the image quality in the corners is not very good.
This doesn't prevent the combination being recommended to low light and shallow DOF.
Luckily the X10 is blessed with an exceptional lens, so corner softness isn't really a problem. But you do need to keep an eye on whether there is enough DOF.
 
Thanks for all the replies about your refurbs.

Looks like I was unlucky then.

Box looks like it has been sat on,
every accessory has been used,
instruction manual torn and dirty
loads of hairline scratches on the lcd
and the optical viewfinder is loose and wobbles

Body wise it is excellent not a mark that I can see
and as far as I've tried it is all working as it should be..

Dilemma - do I send it back for another?
 
Thanks Duncan. I’m getting there slowly ;-)

You know I was just thinking through the feature. It would work well if the composition was broken into three clear different focus planes e.g. my leaf scenario but imagine if you had a plant, in the foreground, running vertically 90% of the way up the shot. Would be very hard for the software to portion that part of the image with the foreground focused photo (and Ed – I’ll have fun trying to work that sort of shot manually in CS5). Guess it’s a similar issue in reverse with the pro-focus. Shame the pro-focus function is too unreliable otherwise it would really be a real SDLR killer (or equiv at least) for portrait shots.

Sorry Duncan but do you ever set deep DOF when you take a macro shot? All my macro shots come out shallow DOF. Deep DOF in macro format even possible?

One other item that still throws me – the X10 states it’s aperture settings are f2 – f2.8. Then why can I choose f settings outside of 2 – 2.8?
 
souldeep said:
Thanks Duncan. I’m getting there slowly ;-)

You know I was just thinking through the feature. It would work well if the composition was broken into three clear different focus planes e.g. my leaf scenario but imagine if you had a plant, in the foreground, running vertically 90% of the way up the shot. Would be very hard for the software to portion that part of the image with the foreground focused photo (and Ed – I’ll have fun trying to work that sort of shot manually in CS5). Guess it’s a similar issue in reverse with the pro-focus. Shame the pro-focus function is too unreliable otherwise it would really be a real SDLR killer (or equiv at least) for portrait shots.

Sorry Duncan but do you ever set deep DOF when you take a macro shot? All my macro shots come out shallow DOF. Deep DOF in macro format even possible?

One other item that still throws me – the X10 states it’s aperture settings are f2 – f2.8. Then why can I choose f settings outside of 2 – 2.8?
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there the wide open settings at 28mm and 112mm (its variable maxium wide open aperture depending on zoom position)
 
Oh I see that makes total sense to me now.

widest at 28mm is f2
widest at 112mm is f2.8

Thanks :-)
 
Yup, it goes from f/2 to f/11 at 28mm, and 2.8 - f/11 at the longest end. With variables on that in between [just checked] At 50mm you get f/2.2 - f/11, at 85mm you get f/2.5 - f/11

Sweet range, as others that have as wide open as 1.8, stop down more dramatically as you zoom. Having 2.8 when fully zoomed to 112mm is very good indeed.
 
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McShug said:
As we are talking refurbs

Those of you that have bought one.

Could you describe the condition you received your X10 in.

What is acceptable or unacceptable to you condition wise?
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After I sent my new X10 in for the sensor swap and firmware upgrade, it came back faulty so was returned and replaced by Fuji, who, I assume sent me a refurb as a replacement.

It wasn't very good. The rubber thumbgrip was coming off, there were scratches on the lens barrel and even more on the body. There was a small scratch on the rear screen and the lens barrel seemed a lot looser than my original camera.
But, the images it took were superb.

So, if that one was a refurb, it was unacceptable as a replacement for my original new X10 ( which incidentally was an ex display from Jessops) and it got returned. Fuji then sent me a brand new one.

Allan
 
Niko - sunset and silhouette shot is brilliant :D

The second is a bit over on the PP as sun in distance looks processed (LOL - yeah I know that's coming from the overcook king!). Reflection on sand is spot on though.

Riz - no. It's basically an X100 with lens choices.
 
souldeep said:
Niko - sunset and silhouette shot is brilliant :D

The second is a bit over on the PP as sun in distance looks processed (LOL - yeah I know that's coming from the overcook king!). Reflection on sand is spot on though.

Riz - no. It's basically an X100 with lens choices.
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:D
thank you
believe it or not apart from ps resizing its straight from cam i think it just had trouble with how bright it was.i agree it looks over cooked ,i could try useing ps to make it look less ps'ed:D
 
Really - I've never seen straight into the sun shots come out like that. Guessing you didn't use any of the new advanced functions that process in camera, or put a physical filter over the front of the lens. Did you focus somewhere away from the sun then raise up the camera to take the shot? If you had of focused near the sun you wouldn't get that PP look although you would have probably needed to bring up the surrounding landscape a few exposure notches in a PP package.
 
souldeep said:
Really - I've never seen straight into the sun shots come out like that. Guessing you didn't use any of the new advanced functions that process in camera, or put a physical filter over the front of the lens. Did you focus somewhere away from the sun then raise up the camera to take the shot? If you had of focused near the sun you wouldn't get that PP look although you would have probably needed to bring up the surrounding landscape a few exposure notches in a PP package.
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yep ,and no filters ect
i also use ae lock to get the exposure i want(and spot metred ,comes from using 35mm for so long i guess)
i focused to the left i seem to remember ,the sun is actually right at the top of the pic ,you can see the circular reflection on the beach .i should of taken a raw shot as well as jpeg but i dont think adobe converts these fuji raws very well yet
 
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niko said:
i wanted to test the x10 in some difficult lighting situations ,not perfect but i think its done ok
what do you think?
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It is astonishing how well the X10 deals with internal reflections.
I think they must have invented a "Light Eater"
I can not think of any other camers, at any price, that would have produced such reflection free images.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
I think they must have invented a "Light Eater"
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:lol:

Ditto. Best camera I've ever used for shooting direct at the sun. You may remember when I first was asking questions about this camera back in Feb/March one of my favoutire style of shots is to shoot direct at the sun to get flare in a photo. I was concernd that may be a problem with the orb issue. This camera has exceeded my expectations of what I can take capture whilst pointing directly at the sun.
 
niko said:
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thank you
believe it or not apart from ps resizing its straight from cam i think it just had trouble with how bright it was.i agree it looks over cooked ,i could try useing ps to make it look less ps'ed:D
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I don't think you will PP that back.
Remember - with the X10 expose for highlights and use PP to recover the shadows...

Love the sheep shot just the way it is though :D
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
I don't think you will PP that back.
Remember - with the X10 expose for highlights and use PP to recover the shadows...

Love the sheep shot just the way it is though :D
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thank you very kind ,:D
i think the sensor got a little overwhelmed on the beach shot ,i am amazed how well its done with difficult conditions i just pushed what i wanted to do a bit far in that one :D
its such a fun and capable camera to use .
 
Congratulations to DuncanDisorderly on achieving his ARPS today. I went along to the assessments with him and would like to ask you to join me in publicaly congratulating him :)) Yes I know this is the X10 thread but many of you here will know him well. :thumbs:

Caroline
 
Today my panel was accepted for ARPS - YAY :D
Two of the 15 images were taken on the X10.
Care to take a guess? No cheating by looking at the meta data :bat:
http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=442352

As said in the linked thread, I owe a lot to the inspiration from TP, and especially this thread.

Souldeep...
I stand by what I said many pages ago - You have the right stuff.. :cool:
And also said by several of us more recently - don't let that course you are on change you too much :rules:
 
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Well done Duncan - go on have a beer to celebrate - you know you want to :D
 
Well done. It's nice to know all your hard work paid off. Good for you for achieving your goal.

:clap::clap::woot::woot:

or should that be

:notworthy::notworthy:
 
Now to work toward the big F

Congratulations
 
Well done Duncan.........well deserved and worth all the hard work:clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
Wow a massive congratulations Duncan. Your panel is breathtaking. I'm not going to try and guess what was taken with the X10. The tool is irrelevant in this art - there is a seamlessness to the flow of pictures that is a real testament to your skill and the fact that you made it harder by using different tools, yet one cannot notice. This shines of a style, a consistency, and it's that common thread that I believe is one of the contributing factors that helps binds this panel into one.

I'm still in absolute awe of the Island sunset shot every time I see it.

You are very kind to remind me of what you said a few months back. I haven't forgotten your kind words of encouragement and I'm very humbled to hear someone of your calibre say such a thing. I don't think the course will lead me on a detour... hopefully just expand my ability with a camera. Thank you for all the time you've taken to explain all you do on this forum.
 
souldeep said:
Wow a massive congratulations Duncan. Your panel is breathtaking. I'm not going to try and guess what was taken with the X10. The tool is irrelevant in this art - there is a seamlessness to the flow of pictures that is a real testament to your skill and the fact that you made it harder by using different tools, yet one cannot notice. This shines of a style, a consistency, and it's that common thread that I believe is one of the contributing factors that helps binds this panel into one.

I'm still in absolute awe of the Island sunset shot every time I see it.

You are very kind to remind me of what you said a few months back. I haven't forgotten your kind words of encouragement and I'm very humbled to hear someone of your calibre say such a thing. I don't think the course will lead me on a detour... hopefully just expand my ability with a camera. Thank you for all the time you've taken to explain all you do on this forum.
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Souldeep
I'll hold you to that :)

Thanks All!
Yup - been for a beer or three and right now can barely type.
Good job this forum doesn't have a spellchucker or I'd be dead.
Happy Days :D
 
:lol: but we can see on the footer if a nigh-time post has been edited next morning!!!
 
Congrats Duncan,

Very very well deserved. I hold my hands up that I do not contribute a great deal to this forum, (due to work commitments mostly), but I assure you, when I do get the opportunity to have a wee peek, I try to absorb much of the information as I can.

You and others here have contributed so much more to my photography development than anywhere else I can think of.

Hopefully the coming months will see me with more spare time and the chance to contribute more freely to this, the best photography forum on the net.

Well done again :thumbs::clap:

Neil
 
Neiltluck said:
You and others here have contributed so much more to my photography development than anywhere else I can think of.
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This is so true and is in my case even though I no longer own an X10 (cameraless still at the moment :( ).

I still visit the thread and take note of the tips which can apply generally :clap:
 
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