The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread
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Will do. Had a little play, but still getting to grips with it. Need to read the manual to figure out how to change focus points.
Yes, a refurb. I ordered on Friday, I think.
I got mine to be a more portable option to my dslr, I am keeping my dslr aswell, this will be used for non photocentric trips. Dslr will come out for purpose photo trips. Or that's the plan. Whether that will change after using the X10 a lot I don't know.
I have been happy with the IQ from the one I borrowed a few times. All the images I have seen here and Flickr make me think my dslr will be gaining dust.
I have been happy with the IQ from the one I borrowed a few times. All the images I have seen here and Flickr make me think my dslr will be gaining dust.
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Well, after a couple of weeks lurking here and reading about half the pages on this very long thread, I took the plunge on Monday and ordered a refurb off the Fuji website. £274.98 with the voucher, including postage. Horrifying to think they were around the £600 mark only 10 months ago 
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Anyway, even though I'd not paid the extra for next-day delivery, it duly arrived 24 hours later. As others have remarked, were it not for the Refurb label on the box I'd never have known it was anything other than full retail. It arrived with French and German manuals but no English - hopefully Fuji are now sending one to me. However, having read through the PDF I see what people mean about the manual being truly awful and I'm not so sure it'll be of much use when it does arrive! Instead, I splashed a further £5 on the Kindle edition of The Photographers Guide to the Fujifilm X10 and have found it extremely useful, it looks set to save me a lot of time on blind experiments ...
So far I'm very pleased with my X10 - apart from the 'manual' of course ;-) IQ is outstanding for the format and the feel is right. I like the viewfinder and I'm not finding the lack of info in it too much of a hindrance. (The fact that the X10 has a viewfinder was what made me consider it in the first place - for 3/4 of shots I find it much preferable to LCDs and I was specifically looking for a travel camera with one).
Anyway, a couple of 'questions for the panel', if I may:
- How can I tell the firmware number and if it has had the sensor upgrade ? (I assume it has but it'd be nice to check)
- I've read elsewhere (dpreview etc) that it's preferable to do Raw processing on-camera as both Lightroom/PS and Fiji's own PC software don't handle it too well (and degrade the image in some way ?). But on this thread I gather that plenty of people are happily using LR for Raw processing. Comments please?
)Anyway, even though I'd not paid the extra for next-day delivery, it duly arrived 24 hours later. As others have remarked, were it not for the Refurb label on the box I'd never have known it was anything other than full retail. It arrived with French and German manuals but no English - hopefully Fuji are now sending one to me. However, having read through the PDF I see what people mean about the manual being truly awful and I'm not so sure it'll be of much use when it does arrive! Instead, I splashed a further £5 on the Kindle edition of The Photographers Guide to the Fujifilm X10 and have found it extremely useful, it looks set to save me a lot of time on blind experiments ...
So far I'm very pleased with my X10 - apart from the 'manual' of course ;-) IQ is outstanding for the format and the feel is right. I like the viewfinder and I'm not finding the lack of info in it too much of a hindrance. (The fact that the X10 has a viewfinder was what made me consider it in the first place - for 3/4 of shots I find it much preferable to LCDs and I was specifically looking for a travel camera with one).
Anyway, a couple of 'questions for the panel', if I may:
- How can I tell the firmware number and if it has had the sensor upgrade ? (I assume it has but it'd be nice to check)
- I've read elsewhere (dpreview etc) that it's preferable to do Raw processing on-camera as both Lightroom/PS and Fiji's own PC software don't handle it too well (and degrade the image in some way ?). But on this thread I gather that plenty of people are happily using LR for Raw processing. Comments please?
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Well, after a couple of weeks lurking here and reading about half the pages on this very long thread, I took the plunge on Monday and ordered a refurb off the Fuji website. £274.98 with the voucher, including postage. Horrifying to think they were around the £600 mark only 10 months ago
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Anyway, a couple of 'questions for the panel', if I may:
- How can I tell the firmware number and if it has had the sensor upgrade ? (I assume it has but it'd be nice to check)
- I've read elsewhere (dpreview etc) that it's preferable to do Raw processing on-camera as both Lightroom/PS and Fiji's own PC software don't handle it too well (and degrade the image in some way ?). But on this thread I gather that plenty of people are happily using LR for Raw processing. Comments please?
They were just shy of £500, not £600 - but your point is valid!
You can't tell the sensor version from the software version. As far as I know, there is no way to tell other than ringing Fuji with a serial number. However, if you check a few pages back there was a post indicating that cameras with the quoted serial number prefixes had the new sensor fitted at the factory.
More than a few pages back we didn't agree with the dpreview findings as they don't seem to match what we are finding.
For example, the image quality comparometer for ISO 100 shows noise levels spookily similar to their ISO 400 sample. Real X10's don't do that. Somebody mucked it up and until dpreview publish the EXIF data for their tests there is no way to check.
It is really important to do your own tests - and report back here!
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my mate in a pub, I sold my 500d canon kit on a whim to get the x10. I have 2 young uns and my backpack needs to be full of moshi monsters and curly wurlys instead of lenses etc.
I dont know alot about photography but this is portrait mode, bw film,lightroom levels adjust and a cheeky little border in PS. Im hoping to get a good day out with it soon, and when I go on holiday im going to try and read up on the P M S dials etc. Has Anyone have any good websites\articles that can give help me with understanding the functions or tips and settings that people use for the x10? its a lovely bit of kit
Thanks folks. It is the latest firmware, but the serial begins 14G...
I think I'll drop an email to Fuji to ask about the sensor
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Thanks folks. It is the latest firmware, but the serial begins 14G...
I think I'll drop an email to Fuji to ask about the sensor
I've had the need to phone them several times since buying mine and I have always found the guy on the end of the phone to be extremely helpful.
Once I emailed, then chased a reply after few days and had a reply the next day. So if I were you call them and you'll have the answer immediately.
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I bought a refurb in April and at that time it was an easy one as it was £330 less 10% netting down to £299. But then I wasn't aware of DigitalRev.
In my mind I never used to worry about the resale as I bought a camera, and kept it until it broke, then bought the next one. Reading this forum has made me more aware of selling on and so I would be taking into account was it bought new, or a refurb, where it was bought from, if the sensor had been changed and how that could be proved.
So if I were in the position today, of buying, I would check with Fuji that if I bought from DigitalRev would they update my sensor or not, then I would ask DigitalRev what they would do. Then assuming no problems in getting my sensor updated I would buy NEW from DigitalRev, So there are my thoughts
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I've had the sensor change, and afterwards the thumb grip started coming off, so I sent it back. Annoyingly, it's now coming off again! This is a bit of a pain. I seem to be able to slide it back to a sticky position, but I'm worried about it coming off when I take it out of (or put it into) the bag, and not noticing straight away (especially as I was overseas at the time...). The poor thumb grip glue after the sensor change is my only real gripe with my X10!
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The optical viewfinder, for all its weakness and lack of information, is one of the great joys of the X10. I was reminded again this week, away in Rhodes, how wonderful it is to have a VF when the light is really bright; so much better than compsing on an almost invisible rear screen. I also think using the OVF helps stabilise the camera when I'm using bracketed exposures.
(Mind you, even my ancient Pentax ME has more information than the X10 OVF! So also many slightly high end film compacts which often had a little window showing the aperture and/or shutter... I'm still hoping that an updated X10 might have a little more information in the OVF, although the release of the XE-1 has dampened my optimism... but a good EVF would probably meet my needs!)
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Use some eco stick (or similar contact adhesive).
That should do the trick!
That should do the trick!
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I'm a bit wary of this while still in warranty, esp since I believe they need to get the grip off to get at the sensor...
I'm sure they'll fix it under warranty; my grudge is the 10 days without my X10!
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The X10 viewfinder is sure not perfect but is still a real bonus compared with just using an LCD screen. My wife has recently bought a Panasonic TZ30 which is supposed to have a much improved LCD viewable even in bright light BUT oh no it's not. A couple of days ago we had the X10 & TZ30 and using an LCD in bright light is a case of guessing the composition :thumbsdown:
Oh yes I reckon a Hilti Gun would solve the case of the loose rear thumb grip :nuts:
Oh yes I reckon a Hilti Gun would solve the case of the loose rear thumb grip :nuts:
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I think I still have one of these in the garage and a couple of boxes of "nails". Should sort it out...
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Thanks folks. It is the latest firmware, but the serial begins 14G...
I think I'll drop an email to Fuji to ask about the sensor
So Fuji replied very promptly this morning:
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. :bang:
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Good grief :|
You'd better go Orb Hunting.
You'd better go Orb Hunting.
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They said the same to me and I don't see a problem. Use it, if it orbs send it in.
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Somewhere, on this thread, is how to create a perfect scenario to try and get an orb/s. In my case it was chrome parts on cars. BUT when I called to say I was having problems with orbs they never asked anything about why, what, where and sure never asked to see any sample pictures.
If you are 100% going to be keeping the camera it may not be an issue but if you are inclined to sell, at some point in the future, it you may well be asked if it has the new sensor and in which case you may be stuffed.
Overall I say get it changed then you can relax.
P.S. I never hear Canon G12, Nikon P7100, Olympus XZ-1, Panasonic LX5, etc moaning about this type of inconvenience. Why on earth do we still buy |X10's
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I don't know why you expected any different. That has been the situation all along.
It is said some of the early cameras did not Orb. I suspect the people with them did not try hard enough....
I do not know of any one with a an early serial number that did not Orb.
However I do not expect Fuji to change sensors for people who do not have a problem. That would be a waste of everyones time and money.
Changing the sensor always works..
Not a problem for me. But any half-competent service/repair operation ought to keep a record of what units they've worked on, I'd have thought!
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Try ringing as I have ALWAYS found the person on the end of the phone extremely helpful. Also very helpful on other things such as me managing to b****r up my neck strap (modifications that didn't work) and they sent one free. Also finding my refurb LCD was poor quality and I had thought well it's a refurb but after a few months they agreed to change it when they updated the sensor. So for me they have been really good but phone calls work far better than emails.
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They may not know which few early sensors are without orbs, so they can not go by serial numbers.
It seems sensors in a single batch can either have orbs or not. So the batch records would be no help.
Later sensors on cameras starting 22 or 23 seem to all be ok. (this is what people report but is not necessarily a fact.)
Yours is an earlier one so a question mark hangs over it.
A very simple test always works to find the answer.
They may not know which few early sensors are without orbs, so they can not go by serial numbers.
It seems sensors in a single batch can either have orbs or not. So the batch records would be no help.
Later sensors on cameras starting 22 or 23 seem to all be ok. (this is what people report but is not necessarily a fact.)
Yours is an earlier one so a question mark hangs over it.
A very simple test always works to find the answer.
Yeah, I accept totally that if I have an old sensor it may or may not have the problem and I could spend some time to see if I have it or not. Most likely I'll just wait and see if it hits me.
But as I understand it it's not completely a question of some sensors being OK some not on a random basis. All the early sensors may well have had this fault. They developed an updated sensor which doesn't.
My point is that they ought to have a record of a) what units they have replaced the sensor on and b) which units were factory fitted with the updated sensor. So at least they should (if they were at all organised) be able to tell me if my X10 has a new sensor or not.
Hmmm, im still getting some blurry shots whilst using flash, prob due to the slow shutter speed the x10 chose. 1/20 @ f2.0. Now the conditions were darkish (nightclub around 10ish) and i put the camera in EXR mode. Its as if the camera was taking a low light shot without the flash.
So my question is this. What is the best mode to put the X10 in whilst using flash? Shutter priority?
Duncan, i have changed the stabiliser to continuous+motion but still get slow speeds! I even tried shutter priority with a 100th shutter speed.
So my question is this. What is the best mode to put the X10 in whilst using flash? Shutter priority?
Duncan, i have changed the stabiliser to continuous+motion but still get slow speeds! I even tried shutter priority with a 100th shutter speed.
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Can you post a piccy and tell us your settings.
I suspect you may have already hit the upper ISO (assuming you were using Auto ISO), leaving the X10 little choice.
If you can tell us how you set up the X10 and post a piccy illustrating what happened then we will be able to help much better!
I suspect you may have already hit the upper ISO (assuming you were using Auto ISO), leaving the X10 little choice.
If you can tell us how you set up the X10 and post a piccy illustrating what happened then we will be able to help much better!
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I advised one of my carers to get one, she brought it in yesterday, I had a try and was quite impressed except for the OVF, I tried it and it looked to me like it was misaligned as when you zoomed in and centred an object in the OVF it would be off centre in the resulting image.
Is this the parallax error I've read about or is it misalignment and it needs to go back to be replaced?
I don't want her to leave it if it is a problem that needs rectifying.
Is this the parallax error I've read about or is it misalignment and it needs to go back to be replaced?
I don't want her to leave it if it is a problem that needs rectifying.
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Distant objects should be aligned (roughly) with what you see and what you take.
Close objects will get parallax. Should be OK, just allow a healthy margin around the edges or use the screen.
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Thanks Duncan, I'll get her to bring it in with her again and do some proper test shots to make sure everything is ok.
