The Official Fuji X10/X20/X30/XF1/XQ1 Thread

[jondc]

Sorry to hear that. Has anyone else who had had the sensor change noticed the same thing?

I meant it sounds C mode was never available, I just could not recall weather it was or not but I am sure I had the grid-lines.

Then again with a 6 week old son and extreme lack of sleep I can not be to sure about anything at the moment.

Cheers

 

[foggy4ever]

Nice shots Colt (For an unknown stuntman you're quite well known!)

I have to get some nicer flower pics, every time I've tried there's been 30mph gusts that make it near impossible to get a really crisp shot...

Thanks Jim you would be surprised how windy it was. I was using a tripod and waited and waited and waited......

 

[jamin100]

two from my returned camera this afternoon


Verity by BenR167, on Flickr


Verity by BenR167, on Flickr

No perfect shots but I quite like then

 

[Phall82]

two from my returned camera this afternoon

http://www.flickr.com/photos/benr167/7557772236/
Verity by BenR167, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/benr167/7557771916/
Verity by BenR167, on Flickr

I hope no.1 didn't lead to a grubby finger mark

 

[jamin100]

Ha ha, no I was well out of reach

 

[AshleyC]

i was just reading through that dp review and they were doing the exr comparisons which were pretty interesting. However one of the set of tests shows what looks like the side of a carpark with these settings against it...

6MP DR 400%
EXR mode, f/4 1/500 sec., ISO 100

How do you get it in that setup? i cant see how you get iso100 in exr mode with a dr of 400%

Im really not sure what mode to use after reading that :nuts: you can get a 10x8 out of the 6mp modes reasonably comfortably with the minimum of stretching in photoshop so that could be the mode to use. I really dunno. It looks like my d800 wont be back from nikon in time for my trip to the lakes so i will have to rely on the x10 and its going to be pretty important to get the right settings on the day as i wont be back up those hills for another year at least.

 

[DayDreamer]

John, the RX100 is due for release on 1st August, only a couple of weeks away! The sample images available look pretty good.... You're right I think that the Nikon J1 would mean a lens cap.

Thanks again Chris for your help although I feel the RX100 will be above my budget. I am a poor pre-pensioner

John, I bought a Nikon P7000 when it first came out and was very impressed with it, especially after the firmware update, so much so that my Dad ( now 89) bought one on my recommendation. He since sold it and upgraded to a P7100 for the articulated screen and other updates. He says image quality is better than the P7000, and the Nikon lens is as sharp as a pin. IQ is really excellent, no lens cap, feels sturdy and the longer zoom ( than the G12) make it a real good deal. Its not a big sensor by any means, but gives very good results. I dont think its so far off what an X10 produces, it also looks a little like the Fuji.
Maybe worth popping into Jessops if you can, to have a look.

Allan

Alan thanks you for your help. I am not as old as your dad even though I probably feel it - as said above a I am a pre-pensioner - start collecting next year.

Mifsuds (only 20 minutes drive) advertise the 7100 so I called them and they had none in stock but had the G12 but I really need to get it right and there could be a tangible difference between the two.

My nearest Jessops is Torquay (20 minutes drive) but I have been very house bound, or Totnes bound (where I live) for the past few months which is very frustrating. But Jessops round here never seem to have the better high end compacts. The PC World and Comet at Torquay also never seem to have high end compacts and NEVER have batteries that work or are prepared to get one in that works.

I will get there in the end and thanks again.

 

[Phall82]

Thanks again Chris for your help although I feel the RX100 will be above my budget. I am a poor pre-pensioner

Alan thanks you for your help. I am not as old as your dad even though I probably feel it - as said above a I am a pre-pensioner - start collecting next year.

Mifsuds (only 20 minutes drive) advertise the 7100 so I called them and they had none in stock but had the G12 but I really need to get it right and there could be a tangible difference between the two.

My nearest Jessops is Torquay (20 minutes drive) but I have been very house bound, or Totnes bound (where I live) for the past few months which is very frustrating. But Jessops round here never seem to have the better high end compacts. The PC World and Comet at Torquay also never seem to have high end compacts and NEVER have batteries that work or are prepared to get one in that works.

I will get there in the end and thanks again.

You can probably ask your local Jessops to get the cameras in that you want to look at.

 

[DayDreamer]

You can probably ask your local Jessops to get the cameras in that you want to look at.

Never thought of that so

 

[Ali]

I meant it sounds C mode was never available, I just could not recall weather it was or not but I am sure I had the grid-lines.

Then again with a 6 week old son and extreme lack of sleep I can not be to sure about anything at the moment.

Cheers

Funny, cos I have a complete custom set on my LCD in EXR. The only place I don't get it is on the Adv. panorama mode. Did the 1.03 firmware update allow for it or is mine just an aberration?

Congratulations on the new arrival. I hear it gets better after about 16 years

 

[jondc]

Funny, cos I have a complete custom set on my LCD in EXR. The only place I don't get it is on the Adv. panorama mode. Did the 1.03 firmware update allow for it or is mine just an aberration?

Congratulations on the new arrival. I hear it gets better after about 16 years

Strange, maybe I will have to contact Fuji.

 

[jondc]

:shrug: Strange, no changes made but now I have C display mode in EXR

 

[jamin100]

Few from today with my X10.
I certainly feel that my camera is now much sharper than before. I think I may of had something wrong with the old lens / sensor (apart from the orbs)


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20120713 by BenR167, on Flickr

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William by BenR167, on Flickr

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Untitled by BenR167, on Flickr

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20120713__DSF9179 by BenR167, on Flickr



(very tops of their heads, I know.. )

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

My X10 came back today for the second time

It still has the same problem with the distance scale, but not so bad as before. The 35mm Zoom setting shows infinity on the distance scale, when focused at 2m ...and every other reading is out to some degree.

The optical Viewfinder used to be well centred over 3 or 4 m onward... it now points right and up, with the left and bottom margin twice as wide as the others. I used to be able to take such shots nice and tight and get a even margin in the file. This now makes closer shots impossible to judge due to the usual parallax.

Any one else had these problems???

 

[JasonPC]

Got my box delivered today to send back for the sensor swap. I guess there's no paperwork needed to go with it? All I got was a foam padded box and a Royal Mail bag. I'll scribble my name and address on the box just to be sure I think, plus my details are on the RM bag as sender.

 

[allanm]

I think they just go on the RMA number and cameras serial number. However, like you, I put my name and address in the box. It all came back, in the same box, with my name and address still folded up in the box!
I think their system works better than we think.... Most of the time.
Allan

 

[allanm]

My X10 came back today for the second time

It still has the same problem with the distance scale, but not so bad as before. The 35mm Zoom setting shows infinity on the distance scale, when focused at 2m ...and every other reading is out to some degree.

The optical Viewfinder used to be well centred over 3 or 4 m onward... it now points right and up, with the left and bottom margin twice as wide as the others. I used to be able to take such shots nice and tight and get a even margin in the file. This now makes closer shots impossible to judge due to the usual parallax.

Any one else had these problems???


That doesnt sound right. I just checked mine. I took a few shots at about 6 to 8m and the optical viewfinder view was exactly central with the image it took. Focus points are exactly the same.
And, the distance scale seems to tally with the zoom settings too.

The lens was spotless when it came back, as was the whole camera. It is a bit noisier than before though.

Looks like they got mine right, I'm just a bit wary of sending it back to get the software update now but it would be nice to get rid of that extra noise.

Allan

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Looks like they got mine right, I'm just a bit wary of sending it back to get the software update now but it would be nice to get rid of that extra noise.

Allan

I am a bit peeed off now.....

The "Noise thing" is a new firmware upgrade so I doubt that will cause any problems. that is one thing they have got right on mine.

 

[Phall82]

Hi

Has anybody here gone from Sony NEX system to an X10 and what are your thoughts if you have?

Which is better image, handling, preference etc?

I have a Sony C3 but feel I may miss out on image quality if I switch to an X10, although I prefer the look and idea of the X10.

Thanks

Colin

 

[jimgallaher]

Got my box delivered today to send back for the sensor swap. I guess there's no paperwork needed to go with it? All I got was a foam padded box and a Royal Mail bag. I'll scribble my name and address on the box just to be sure I think, plus my details are on the RM bag as sender.

That's what I did when I returned mine. Include a note and ask them to do the software upgrade while they have it. I've only had mine back a couple of weeks and they want it back to upgrade the software because of the noise issue. Why they can't just release a new firmware upgrade that the user can install is beyond me.

 

[Thunderbird010]

Haven't sent mine off yet going to wait until Fuji have got there act together but I may not even bother. I'm assuming I have 12 months from purchase to send it off.

A few straight out of camera

[/url] red door original by Thunderbird_010, on Flickr[/IMG]

[/url] Ramsbotton Original by Thunderbird_010, on Flickr[/IMG]

And some processed using snapseed

[/url] orchid by Thunderbird_010, on Flickr[/IMG]

[/url] Olympic gardens by Thunderbird_010, on Flickr[/IMG]

[/url] overlooking ramsbottom snapseed style by Thunderbird_010, on Flickr[/IMG]

Andy

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

That's what I did when I returned mine. Include a note and ask them to do the software upgrade while they have it. I've only had mine back a couple of weeks and they want it back to upgrade the software because of the noise issue. Why they can't just release a new firmware upgrade that the user can install is beyond me.

I suspect they are undoing that part of the 1.03 firmware that tried to sort then orb problems on the first sensor, which some say did increase grain in some situations. It is probably specific to the new sensor.

 

[allanm]

I notice they are referring to a software update as opposed to a firmware update. No idea what the difference is but I guess the camera has to be returned to them to do it because it is either easy to mess the system up or you need specific equipment to update the software
Or there's more to it than they are letting on.
I gave in and asked for the packaging to send mine in for the software.
Because its not a physical repair, I guess the performance of the camera can only be improved.
These mods to the x10's must be costing Fuji a fortune!!

Allan

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I notice they are referring to a software update as opposed to a firmware update. No idea what the difference is but I guess the camera has to be returned to them to do it because it is either easy to mess the system up or you need specific equipment to update the software
Or there's more to it than they are letting on.
I gave in and asked for the packaging to send mine in for the software.
Because its not a physical repair, I guess the performance of the camera can only be improved.
These mods to the x10's must be costing Fuji a fortune!!

Allan

They called it software in the letter/Email, but on the "Done" service report they call it Firmware... In any event we can not do it ourselves.
They say " the firmware has been upgraded to the latest specification" But they do not give a number for it.

 

[robenroute]

Reading the last few contributions, I can't get rid of the thought that my "original" X10 with the 1.02 firmware is something to hold on to. My concerns (see my earlier post http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=4750607&postcount=2201 ) are, as far as I'm concerned, still valid, and are even confirmed by Fuji's recall to address software issues.

I'm extremely happy with the pictures I get with my X10. I've dabbled around with various raw software packages, but I've hardly ever been able to achieve the same results as the built-in jpg engine (possibly because of my lack of skills). It's similar to enjoying a wine: it might "only" score 80 Parker points, but if it tastes great, it's exactly that, a great tasting wine.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Reading the last few contributions, I can't get rid of the thought that my "original" X10 with the 1.02 firmware is something to hold on to. My concerns (see my earlier post http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=4750607&postcount=2201 ) are, as far as I'm concerned, still valid, and are even confirmed by Fuji's recall to address software issues.

I'm extremely happy with the pictures I get with my X10. I've dabbled around with various raw software packages, but I've hardly ever been able to achieve the same results as the built-in jpg engine (possibly because of my lack of skills). It's similar to enjoying a wine: it might "only" score 80 Parker points, but if it tastes great, it's exactly that, a great tasting wine.

I am sure that is a very sound option if Orbs do not feature in your shots.

I would agree about the difficulty with raw on Fuji EXR sensors, as yet neither Photoshop nor any one else has put the effort in to cope with them. Only the "in camera" raw converter does a good job of it, but then you are still left with a jpeg file to work on, which is no real help. I am sure Adobe will get it sorted one day as Fuji have so many cameras with EXR type sensors.

I expect other camera makers will also bring out other than the standard bayer screen sensors. At that stage the raw converters will have to find a way to cope more effectively with different colour arrays.

 

[terryuk]

anybody with the new sensor downgraded the firmware to v1.02

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

anybody with the new sensor downgraded the firmware to v1.02

I would not want to, as it did a lot more than try to sort orbs.

 

[Jimrod]

Hi

Has anybody here gone from Sony NEX system to an X10 and what are your thoughts if you have?

Which is better image, handling, preference etc?

I have a Sony C3 but feel I may miss out on image quality if I switch to an X10, although I prefer the look and idea of the X10.

Thanks

Colin

Hi Colin,

I did exactly that, going from a Nex 5 with two kit lenses to the X10.

I'll try and bullet-point the reasons and summarise by saying I'm far happier with the X10, bearing in mind mine is a 22+ serial No. and seems to have few of the issues that others may have (I've tried to re-create them too!)

Pros:

Better colour balance, the Nex always made people look sickly and was just "off", this seems to be the case with all the Sony Nex models, the 5N being the best of the bunch. The Fuji colour is much better though reds on jpegs can get overblown at times and even turn pinkish if very strong! (seems to be to do with clipping red highlights but I've not found a work around).

More compact, while still not exactly pocketable you get a 4x Zoom for a smaller overall size than the Nex with pancake lens (and even the large 18-55 is only a 3x zoom).

Far better metering/white balance, especially with the fill-flash. It's as good as any camera in this regard. The Sony is very average at this.

Better lens, better than all but the newer and very expensive Nex lenses.

Silent! Nex has a very noisy shutter.

Classier! Equal build but easier handling.

Good Macro ability, Nex only with specific lens.

Cons:

Slightly less detail/more noise, especially in low light. By no means bad though.

Slightly worse battery, good for about 250+ shots after a couple of charges.

Slightly worse focus lock, especially in scenes with no vertical lines. Nex is a touch slower to focus but a little more reliable - still not perfect.

Not quite as good with high speed action, though again Nex not amazing for this either.

Shallow depth of field more limited on X10 but still usable.


That's all that springs to mind for now, but while some will think you mad for moving to a smaller sensor they're not looking at the big picture and the X10 does many things better if those are important to you.

 

[Jimrod]

Edit: double post!

 

[Phall82]

Hi Colin,

I did exactly that, going from a Nex 5 with two kit lenses to the X10.

I'll try and bullet-point the reasons and summarise by saying I'm far happier with the X10, bearing in mind mine is a 22+ serial No. and seems to have few of the issues that others may have (I've tried to re-create them too!)

Pros:

Better colour balance, the Nex always made people look sickly and was just "off", this seems to be the case with all the Sony Nex models, the 5N being the best of the bunch. The Fuji colour is much better though reds on jpegs can get overblown at times and even turn pinkish if very strong! (seems to be to do with clipping red highlights but I've not found a work around).

More compact, while still not exactly pocketable you get a 4x Zoom for a smaller overall size than the Nex with pancake lens (and even the large 18-55 is only a 3x zoom).

Far better metering/white balance, especially with the fill-flash. It's as good as any camera in this regard. The Sony is very average at this.

Better lens, better than all but the newer and very expensive Nex lenses.

Silent! Nex has a very noisy shutter.

Classier! Equal build but easier handling.

Good Macro ability, Nex only with specific lens.

Cons:

Slightly less detail/more noise, especially in low light. By no means bad though.

Slightly worse battery, good for about 250+ shots after a couple of charges.

Slightly worse focus lock, especially in scenes with no vertical lines. Nex is a touch slower to focus but a little more reliable - still not perfect.

Not quite as good with high speed action, though again Nex not amazing for this either.

Narrow depth of field more limited on X10 but still usable.

That's all that springs to mind for now, but while some will think you mad for moving to a smaller sensor they're not looking at the big picture and the X10 does many things better if those are important to you.

Thanks Jim. That's exactly what I was looking for.

I'll have to have a think but it sounds a good swap to me.

Colin

 

[Cincojoe]

Hi Joe, welcome to the forum. We're a friendly bunch here. There were a few misguided souls that sold theirs, but we all love our X10's here.
Look forward to seeing some vacation pics
Allan

Well I finally got around to going through all of our photos from vacation and I must say my wife's new Canon S100 clearly came out the winner. She did however keep hers in auto mode the entire trip. I however was changing settings like changing underwear and couldn't leave the camera alone to do its job so I'm not too bummed about it. I was just really impressed with her sharp colorful photos. I think I just need to stop acting like this camera is like my 5DMKII and put it in P mode jpeg and shoot. :bonk:

 

[Ali]

:shrug: Strange, no changes made but now I have C display mode in EXR

LOL. The gremlins must've decided to go somewhere else!

 

[stevebuk]

Two from today with the X10. Shame I had left it +0.67 EV and have blown the clouds :-(


Untitled by Steve Babb, on Flickr

Happy doggy


Untitled by Steve Babb, on Flickr

 

[Cincojoe]

Quick question for you Fuji X10 gurus . I bought It a few weeks ago and it has the serial number that starts with 21A and the software version is 1.02. is this the old sensor or new? I would think if it was the new sensor it would have had 1.03 on it?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

went for a short walk this morning ...rather overcast. Saw this lot climbing over a fence...

 

[Cincojoe]

Nice colors for a overcast day.

 

[allanm]

Quick question for you Fuji X10 gurus . I bought It a few weeks ago and it has the serial number that starts with 21A and the software version is 1.02. is this the old sensor or new? I would think if it was the new sensor it would have had 1.03 on it?

I guess it is the old sensor with the older firmware. Some say that the 1.02 firmware gives better images, but, of course, you may get orbs.
If it had a new sensor, then I would think it would have the latest firmware.
Only real way to test is to take images that would produce orbs ( sun shining on car paint / chrome or glass is a good test)
Allan

 

[Jimrod]

Quick question for you Fuji X10 gurus . I bought It a few weeks ago and it has the serial number that starts with 21A and the software version is 1.02. is this the old sensor or new? I would think if it was the new sensor it would have had 1.03 on it?

Mine started 22N and came with 1.03 if that helps...

 

[Cincojoe]

Hmmmm I'm guessing it's the old sensor. I'll go take some photos to try and generate orbs but honestly that's not my type of photos. If it is the old one I'm thinking I should leave it that way? Or should I at least do the software upgrade?