The Nikon D9300

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Could be a possibility - Although the D7200 is rumored to be launched this Sept.
 
So it'll be a D800, in DX mode only, for maybe a little cheaper? hmmm
 
I'd bet they'll make it higher-res (24mpx noAA) and faster than D800. However, I still think nobody really wants a DX body. A slightly faster D800E (with 56mpx option) would be much better.
 
I m sure lots of sports and wildlife photographers would get such a camera.
 
I'd just like to see a coherent strategy from Nikon but it looks like that will take a board change as they have become far too insular and disconnected with how people want to use technology and what people actually want.
Having said that I probably don't actually- no strategy and another D600 like disaster would be great- a camera company going cheap might suit:naughty:
 
just out of interest, what do people expect to see in the mythical D400 that isnt catered for in one of the current crop of Nikon cameras.
 
essexash said:
just out of interest, what do people expect to see in the mythical D400 that isnt catered for in one of the current crop of Nikon cameras.
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The main points seem to be buffer size and build quality (full mag alloy vs partial) from what I can tell.
 
It's funny...everyone expects nikon to just meet the expectations of buffer, iso, fps etc because they are rubbish with their innovation.

If it were canon I'd be expecting something like an automatic shutter at 10fps for a burst when movement is sensed within the frame or something innovative like that but from nikon...I'm not sure I even care anymore :(
 
Steve-T said:
Expeed processor, better high iso performance, faster frame rate in a pro level body, pro level button layout I suppose.
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For me I loved the layout of the D200 and D300 , I like the fact they are well and solidly built (mag alloy body) and I like the size in my hand. So the ideal for me would be D300 build and ergonomics with

Steve-T said:
Expeed processor, better high iso performance, faster frame rate in a pro level body, pro level button layout I suppose.
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essexash said:
just out of interest, what do people expect to see in the mythical D400 that isnt catered for in one of the current crop of Nikon cameras.
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I have a bit of a list- small extract below:D

USB3 connectivity- it came out in 2008...
Integrated wireless
Proper app that works for controlling camera
100% viewfinder
IPX5 rating- not some nonsense about how it compares to another camera which compares to another one that no one has used- just use the standards available
8FPS min in RAW and a really big buffer such that I should get bored long before I hit it:p
1/8000 shutter speed or faster
1/250 flash synch or faster
Customisable buttons and usual controls although I would replace the QUAL button- don't see how anyone needs to constantly change mid shoot
Inbuilt level indicator on all axis
Back lit buttons
Quiet shutter that's actually quiet as it's currently just an oxymoron
AF at F8 with 5 cross type sensors min
Wide AF spread with 20 cross type sensors min
Ability to reliably track moving subjects- key word is 'reliably'
Storage media- 2 of something with a future
Video- personal pet hate of Nikon after promising much in 2008 and then just completely screwing it all up. Quite why they don't get it is beyond me and talk of 4k before they have got to grips with 1080 is highly amusing. I want all frame rates currently accepted as a standard irrespective of PAL or NTSC and a high bit rate.
Ability to control ISO, Aperture, Exposure, Shutter when in movie mode
Proper implementation of LiveView- zebra,peaking, live histogram
Around 20-24 MP- if I want MF resolution, I'll buy MF
3.5 inch LCD screen min with 1M dots
Tilt screen
Touch screen with revamped menu access
Clean images up to ISO3200 ie no noise- should be like ISO100- now there's a real improvement not just chasing the 'it goes up to 11' numbers game
Clean images at ISO100 ie don't screw up one end at the expense of the other
Integrated grip (I do swither on this)
Robust and lightweight- plenty of hi-tech materials out there

I do have more but there is not a single Nikon DX or FX for that matter that has all of this in one camera. If someone built me that I'd be pretty happy- for a while:p;)
 
Dr_O said:
I have a bit of a list- small extract below:D

USB3 connectivity- it came out in 2008...
Integrated wireless
Proper app that works for controlling camera
100% viewfinder
IPX5 rating- not some nonsense about how it compares to another camera which compares to another one that no one has used- just use the standards available
8FPS min in RAW and a really big buffer such that I should get bored long before I hit it:p
1/8000 shutter speed or faster
1/250 flash synch or faster
Customisable buttons and usual controls although I would replace the QUAL button- don't see how anyone needs to constantly change mid shoot
Inbuilt level indicator on all axis
Back lit buttons
Quiet shutter that's actually quiet as it's currently just an oxymoron
AF at F8 with 5 cross type sensors min
Wide AF spread with 20 cross type sensors min
Ability to reliably track moving subjects- key word is 'reliably'
Storage media- 2 of something with a future
Video- personal pet hate of Nikon after promising much in 2008 and then just completely screwing it all up. Quite why they don't get it is beyond me and talk of 4k before they have got to grips with 1080 is highly amusing. I want all frame rates currently accepted as a standard irrespective of PAL or NTSC and a high bit rate.
Ability to control ISO, Aperture, Exposure, Shutter when in movie mode
Proper implementation of LiveView- zebra,peaking, live histogram
Around 20-24 MP- if I want MF resolution, I'll buy MF
3.5 inch LCD screen min with 1M dots
Tilt screen
Touch screen with revamped menu access
Clean images up to ISO3200 ie no noise- should be like ISO100- now there's a real improvement not just chasing the 'it goes up to 11' numbers game
Clean images at ISO100 ie don't screw up one end at the expense of the other
Integrated grip (I do swither on this)
Robust and lightweight- plenty of hi-tech materials out there

I do have more but there is not a single Nikon DX or FX for that matter that has all of this in one camera. If someone built me that I'd be pretty happy- for a while:p;)
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I can't share my list after this ;)
 
Dr_O said:
I have a bit of a list- small extract below:D

USB3 connectivity- it came out in 2008...
Integrated wireless
Proper app that works for controlling camera
100% viewfinder
IPX5 rating- not some nonsense about how it compares to another camera which compares to another one that no one has used- just use the standards available
8FPS min in RAW and a really big buffer such that I should get bored long before I hit it:p
1/8000 shutter speed or faster
1/250 flash synch or faster
Customisable buttons and usual controls although I would replace the QUAL button- don't see how anyone needs to constantly change mid shoot
Inbuilt level indicator on all axis
Back lit buttons
Quiet shutter that's actually quiet as it's currently just an oxymoron
AF at F8 with 5 cross type sensors min
Wide AF spread with 20 cross type sensors min
Ability to reliably track moving subjects- key word is 'reliably'
Storage media- 2 of something with a future
Video- personal pet hate of Nikon after promising much in 2008 and then just completely screwing it all up. Quite why they don't get it is beyond me and talk of 4k before they have got to grips with 1080 is highly amusing. I want all frame rates currently accepted as a standard irrespective of PAL or NTSC and a high bit rate.
Ability to control ISO, Aperture, Exposure, Shutter when in movie mode
Proper implementation of LiveView- zebra,peaking, live histogram
Around 20-24 MP- if I want MF resolution, I'll buy MF
3.5 inch LCD screen min with 1M dots
Tilt screen
Touch screen with revamped menu access
Clean images up to ISO3200 ie no noise- should be like ISO100- now there's a real improvement not just chasing the 'it goes up to 11' numbers game
Clean images at ISO100 ie don't screw up one end at the expense of the other
Integrated grip (I do swither on this)
Robust and lightweight- plenty of hi-tech materials out there

I do have more but there is not a single Nikon DX or FX for that matter that has all of this in one camera. If someone built me that I'd be pretty happy- for a while:p;)
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I'd add the 10fps shutter that goes off automatically with movement lol.
 
No point bringing out a new high-end DX body without some more DX lenses to support it. Re-hashes of existing lenses aren't really what we need.......
 
do we really want more and more mega pixels …………. low light performance with lower file sizes, (as with the D4S) are needed just as much
 
????
As an option, say a D800 sized FX body and features with the D4S 16.2 mega pixels sensor with the RAW S file size option - cost a max of £2k with a reasonably priced grip - i.e. £150.
maybe that would suit more than keep putting more and more small dots on an FX sensor, (they can do that as well)
 
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ST4 said:
D800 is so croppable at 36mp that you can take an image at 36mp that works out at 16mp crop anyway. Just buy a D800
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I already own a D800E ;) I was just pointing out to thse who yearn for this D400 that may never happen, that a D800 in DX mode is pretty much what they want.
 
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Cagey75 said:
I already own a D800E ;) I was just pointing out to thse who yearn for this D400 that may never happen, that a D800 in DX mode is pretty much what they want.
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Or even in FX mode it has so many pixels its unreal. I cropped this down from 36mp to 7mp. I don't have a Macro lens so couldn't get that close to focus, was just faffing around but its so flexible.

 
Yup, I posted a massive crop shot of a bird up in a tree, in the D800 thread some time ago. Showed the original along with. The bird was tiny in frame, but cropped right down it still had tonnes of detail and you'd never imagine it was such a huge crop.
 
Cagey75 said:
I already own a D800E ;) I was just pointing out to thse who yearn for this D400 that may never happen, that a D800 in DX mode is pretty much what they want.
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No, what I want is in my list and your D800 in any mode can't meet it:p:D
 
Haha- that one may not be in my uber critical list:D
 
Dr_O said:
I have a bit of a list- small extract below:D

USB3 connectivity- it came out in 2008...
Integrated wireless
Proper app that works for controlling camera
100% viewfinder
IPX5 rating- not some nonsense about how it compares to another camera which compares to another one that no one has used- just use the standards available
8FPS min in RAW and a really big buffer such that I should get bored long before I hit it:p
1/8000 shutter speed or faster
1/250 flash synch or faster
Customisable buttons and usual controls although I would replace the QUAL button- don't see how anyone needs to constantly change mid shoot
Inbuilt level indicator on all axis
Back lit buttons
Quiet shutter that's actually quiet as it's currently just an oxymoron
AF at F8 with 5 cross type sensors min
Wide AF spread with 20 cross type sensors min
Ability to reliably track moving subjects- key word is 'reliably'
Storage media- 2 of something with a future
Video- personal pet hate of Nikon after promising much in 2008 and then just completely screwing it all up. Quite why they don't get it is beyond me and talk of 4k before they have got to grips with 1080 is highly amusing. I want all frame rates currently accepted as a standard irrespective of PAL or NTSC and a high bit rate.
Ability to control ISO, Aperture, Exposure, Shutter when in movie mode
Proper implementation of LiveView- zebra,peaking, live histogram
Around 20-24 MP- if I want MF resolution, I'll buy MF
3.5 inch LCD screen min with 1M dots
Tilt screen
Touch screen with revamped menu access
Clean images up to ISO3200 ie no noise- should be like ISO100- now there's a real improvement not just chasing the 'it goes up to 11' numbers game
Clean images at ISO100 ie don't screw up one end at the expense of the other
Integrated grip (I do swither on this)
Robust and lightweight- plenty of hi-tech materials out there

I do have more but there is not a single Nikon DX or FX for that matter that has all of this in one camera. If someone built me that I'd be pretty happy- for a while:p;)
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You actually NEED all of that? What do you shoot?
 
Pookeyhead said:
You actually NEED all of that? What do you shoot?
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Absolutely:D- I did concede the touch screen was not a deal breaker lol and I do swither on integrated grip but a lot of it should just be standard functionality at present moment.

I shoot fights, football , portraits, night scenes, time lapse, mountains, winter climbing, summer climbing, pets and weddings as well as make films so reasonably diverse and I encounter a lot of varying conditions so things like noise, shutter speed, AF etc etc are pretty important for me.

Some of the things just make life easier e.g. back lit buttons, USB3, integrated wireless and the technology is there, proven and therefore relatively inexpensive whereas others such as a properly executed movie mode and more sophisticated AF are fundamental to what I'm doing or trying to do.

Don't get me wrong AF on many Nikons is good but even the D3S and pro glass is not always reliable for action and missed shots are annoying if not expensive. I'd prefer they put more effort into that rather than building cameras like the AW1 which only seems to be waterproof in a Nikon lab given the many reports out there and at best was a good whiteboard idea:p.
Most of all I want a working movie mode which I'll not bore anyone with the finer detail of other than to say that Nikon should either remove it or poach someone who knows what they are doing. The D5300 is a step but sadly it's 4yrs too late and the world has moved on.

Perhaps I'm fussy:D- I like modern equipment to be modern and not using outdated technology and I want innovation and interoperability. Surely not too much to ask- I mean a nutless monkey could do a better job of running Nikon at the moment (to paraphrase Les Grossman):p;)
 
I'd hate to be so reliant on gear for what I shoot. In fact... I'd feel as if it was the camera taking the images for me :)

All I ask is a 100% viewfinder, FX sensor with low noise, and that's pretty much it. Decent AF is nice, but not a deal breaker... That'll do for me.





Dr_O said:
I have a bit of a list- small extract below:D

USB3 connectivity- it came out in 2008...
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I agree with that though. D800 has it, and it's needed.

Dr_O said:
Integrated wireless
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The Nikon WU-1a can be hacked for the D800 now you know?

Dr_O said:
Proper app that works for controlling camera
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That would be Capture One then :)

Dr_O said:
100% viewfinder
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Agreed.


Dr_O said:
Ability to reliably track moving subjects- key word is 'reliably'
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My D800 can.. reliably.


Dr_O said:
Ability to control ISO, Aperture, Exposure, Shutter when in movie mode
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D800 can do that, so any new Nikon should be able to.
 
I don't shoot video, and tbh I have no desire to either (of course that could change ...) - I don't think the consumer level Nikons can control ISO, Aperture, Shutter & Exposure when in movie mode (maybe some of them but not all) - I think that feature is restricted to the higher end bodies.

If and when the 9300 comes out, it had better please a lot of people (current D300/D300s users and those wanting the upgrade, i.e. the now mythical D400) - Nikon have been a bit hither and thither recently with no obvious clear plan as to where they may be going. Of course some decent DX lenses will help too, and I don't mean 18-xxx ones either, three nice primes, an update to the 17-55 and maybe something like a 50-150mm f2.8 and I'd be quite happy to go back to DX, only reason I changed was down to the lenses, mainly primes.
 
Pookeyhead said:
I'd hate to be so reliant on gear for what I shoot. In fact... I'd feel as if it was the camera taking the images for me :)

All I ask is a 100% viewfinder, FX sensor with low noise, and that's pretty much it. Decent AF is nice, but not a deal breaker... That'll do for me.
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A D800 must surely fit the bill nicely then?:)

It's not that I am reliant on my gear per se and I've coped this far with the technology provided but what I am asking for is not placed in the realms of diminishing returns- it already exists, would be relatively inexpensive to implement but likely yield a far greater ROI for Nikon and give me what I want- win win for everyone:D. The D800 is not far off for me from what I need (if I exclude wants)- it's poor movie mode is a killer though but then it's rife throughout their range. The lack of USB3 on every model bar the D800 and integrated wireless not being the norm to cite a couple of examples is just lazy and unimaginative. Harks back to the likes of Garmin who were still insisting on using a serial port connection when USB2 was out:eek: but what should be more worrying for Nikon as a tech company is how you can go from being flavour of the month to nothing in a relatively quickly period- e.g. Blackberry and Nokia and they didn't have a completely incompetent PR department giving their demise a helping hand:p. Times have changed and its often little things that can add up to improve the user experience or destroy it.

A combination of a D800/D4S with the GH4's movie control might do the job nicely:D . I don't think it's unreasonable to expect useful technology that already exists to be implemented in one camera. I like odds stacked in my favour- one less thing to think about- I could climb K2 in tweeds and hobnail boots but I'll choose not to because there are modern materials available that make an ascent more likely; likewise my old petzl headtorch was rain resistant whatever that actually meant whereas the ones I use now are IPX8 which removes all doubt- similarly I don't want to second guess whether the rain is too heavy for the camera/lens.

I think the reality is that 2-3 working cameras are what I will probably end up with- a GH4, D800S/D900/D5/D9300 or something and a small compact camera- but not some 1 Series rubbish. A bit like skis I suppose- you can get all mountain skis that will do it all and they are fine but if you really push the limits and want some margin then you need a pair for on-piste and a pair for off-piste.
 
PaulButler said:
I don't shoot video, and tbh I have no desire to either (of course that could change ...) - I don't think the consumer level Nikons can control ISO, Aperture, Shutter & Exposure when in movie mode (maybe some of them but not all) - I think that feature is restricted to the higher end bodies.

If and when the 9300 comes out, it had better please a lot of people (current D300/D300s users and those wanting the upgrade, i.e. the now mythical D400) - Nikon have been a bit hither and thither recently with no obvious clear plan as to where they may be going. Of course some decent DX lenses will help too, and I don't mean 18-xxx ones either, three nice primes, an update to the 17-55 and maybe something like a 50-150mm f2.8 and I'd be quite happy to go back to DX, only reason I changed was down to the lenses, mainly primes.
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Nikon have an issue with aperture control and real time live view due to the strategy they took with the F-Mount as opposed to the direction Canon went with theirs. Nikon have shown that they can build a solution but do seem reluctant to do much with it throughout their range.

The 17-55 was always a funny one- I was never overly impressed with its performance and compared to the Canon equivalent it's less flexible and overpriced. A 14mm wide DX Prime and a 50-150 f2.8 would be useful but it seems the 18-Infinity brigade are the ones they are targeting.
It would also be nice to get a 300mm f4 VR lens but Nikon wants to build lenses like the 58mm f1.4. Maybe they don't have enough material- a good start would be to recycle the crappy 28-300 so we can have more interchangeable lenses:p
 
I'd agree the 17-55 is overpriced but I always felt the performance was everything I'd expect, it never once missed, blindingly fast and lovely rendition. It was also too big, given that DX is meant to be smaller. As for primes, I was thinking along the lines of 12mm, 16mm and 24mm (yes, I know there are existing 24's), but I'd take a 14mm :) Agree about the 300 and the 28-300 too! Oh well, we can dream ;)
 
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