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just seen this on a review site and it looks great. love the look of the control layout. was about to buy an lx5 but after seeing this think i might hold out, depending on price.
 
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Just seen that myself, liking the retro Leica look. If this Fuji has got the superCCD sensor tech incorporated into it they could be onto something. It's about time they released something exciting and fresh, I've not looked at any Fuji camera's since the release of the S5 Pro which was a few years back.

Mike.
 
If you can deal with a fixed focal length then it does look like a rather good camera - and I LOVE the retro design!

Be interested when a few hands on reviews pop up.
 
Looks very nice, fingers crossed the reviews are good as well as the price, oh and I would love a black one please!
 
A nice looking camera but I can't see that fixed focal length appealing to many people other than the ones with cash to burn.
 
Kev M said:
A nice looking camera but I can't see that fixed focal length appealing to many people other than the ones with cash to burn.
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I don't have cash to burn but it massively appeals to me, thats a simply stunning camera!

I's also expect a wide and telephoto accessory to be available to give some flexibility with the lens.
 
Why fixed lens???

That's just plain daft. If it came with a a nice set, like 21mm, 45mm and a 90 or 105mm I'd be getting in the queue now.
 
a1ex2001 said:
I don't have cash to burn but it massively appeals to me, thats a simply stunning camera!

I's also expect a wide and telephoto accessory to be available to give some flexibility with the lens.
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What about it appeals to you? Fuji used to do a 0.8ish wide angle converter and a 1.7 teleconverter that you could fit onto lenses but they never did good things image quality.
 
Kev M said:
What about it appeals to you? Fuji used to do a 0.8ish wide angle converter and a 1.7 teleconverter that you could fit onto lenses but they never did good things image quality.
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The styling is simply stunning, it's compact and has an APS-C size sensor what about it wouldn't appeal. To me it looks like the digital rangefinder lots have people have been waiting for and if the sensor lives up to some of Fuji's previous efforts this could be simply the best street camera on the market.

Modern convertors don't have quite the terrible reputation of old and I'm sure if done well and with conservative power that fuji could produce something that doesn't decimate image quality on such a big sensor.
 
What a stunning looking camera! Looks very retro and all that's missing is the film winder!! The EVF is very clever as you can use it as a normal glass viewfinder or popper EVF. The APS-C sensor is a good thing and providing the lens is of high enough quality it should prove to be a stunning bit of kit.

As for price.........the Leica X1 is £1350 so i predict the Fuji to be £800 on the streets.
 
Its an absolute beauty. I will wait for reviews but just looking at it I really want one. The idea of the hybrid rangefinder viewing looks very good.
 
a1ex2001 said:
The styling is simply stunning, it's compact and has an APS-C size sensor what about it wouldn't appeal. To me it looks like the digital rangefinder lots have people have been waiting for and if the sensor lives up to some of Fuji's previous efforts this could be simply the best street camera on the market.

Modern convertors don't have quite the terrible reputation of old and I'm sure if done well and with conservative power that fuji could produce something that doesn't decimate image quality on such a big sensor.
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I agree it looks nice and APS-C might be nice but I'll tell you what doesn't appeal is that fixed wide angle lens. Stick a TC on the front and it won't be quite as compact any more. I think something like a Pen or a GF has got to be more useful than this, even if they're not as pretty to look at (which is the main reason to buy any camera).
 
Learn to manual zoom then! I think the point is that it harks back to the superb fixed focal length range finders of film days. My dad has recently dug out his Konika and the IQ is just astounding but you just have to think differently when using it. If I get one I will use it without anything else and just position myself correctly. I like the fact that you can't change lenses and therefore don't feel obliged to carry round extra ones. I guess it will just not appeal to some people!
 
Kev M said:
I agree it looks nice and APS-C might be nice but I'll tell you what doesn't appeal is that fixed wide angle lens. Stick a TC on the front and it won't be quite as compact any more. I think something like a Pen or a GF has got to be more useful than this, even if they're not as pretty to look at (which is the main reason to buy any camera).
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Your right lots of people won't get the fixed focal length so would be better of with the Pen or the GF, personally I love a single fixed focal length and approximately 35mm is quite a nice usefull one I wouldn't want any convertors. Forces you too think about the shot and your positioning and not to worry about gear which is a blessing and Fuji's sensors have in the past been something pretty special which I would love to see continue.

If it is a reasonable sales success I'd expect an interchangeable lens version to follow.
 
I do agree with what your saying Jim and having just one lens can be very creative but it's nice when it's the right lens. Portraits of the kids in the park, stick on the 90. Day out at an old abbey, go with the wide.

The cost that this camera is likely to be, there will whole systems on offer for similar cost and where does that leave this in a very tough market place.

I do love all the fuji film offerings and I'd like to think this from the same mold but I guess I still hankering for digital sucsessor to the contax G rangefinders.
 
I think fixed focal length cameras like this X100 definitely have a market. This type of camera appeals to people who don't want to swap lenses and are happy with the focal length as it fit's into there type of photography.

The problem is that the GF2 will most likely have a m43 sensor when released but you would have the advantage of changeable lenses. The sensor may well be improved but not sure it will be up to APS-C quality.

So do you go for the Fixed focal length APS-C camera or interchangeable lens system?

Again it's all down to how you do your photography. A lot of the Leica X1 owners love their cameras as the image quality is outstanding and they are prepared to put up with the small failings of the camera and many say they just get used to the fixed focal length......

in other words....Just use your legs! :D
 
I have no problem with the 35mm focal lenght personally. Its a good all purpose lenght. Landscape, people (not head and shoulder portraits) and general out and about stuff really. Its really going to be a sling it in you coat/bag type thing when you don't want to carry a bag full of kit around. and yes, I do include M4/3 in that as I know if I got one I would end up with a bag containing at least one of the WA primes and the kit lens in.

I think this will be pricey but the IQ should be amazing. I wants!
 
menthel said:
Learn to manual zoom then! I think the point is that it harks back to the superb fixed focal length range finders of film days. My dad has recently dug out his Konika and the IQ is just astounding but you just have to think differently when using it. If I get one I will use it without anything else and just position myself correctly. I like the fact that you can't change lenses and therefore don't feel obliged to carry round extra ones. I guess it will just not appeal to some people!
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You're joking right? As if walking backwards and forwards is the answer to everything. The other side effect of fixed focal length apart from the need to move for your framing is the distorting effects of focal length combined with the camera to subject distance. If it was just a case of moving backwards and forwards then why do we bother with zooms at all, why don't we just all use a 35mm (FF equivalent FOV)? Because frame filling portrait would look like crap is why. 35mm might be fine for certain applications but it's not the answer to everything and neither is walking back and forth.

a1ex2001 said:
Your right lots of people won't get the fixed focal length so would be better of with the Pen or the GF, personally I love a single fixed focal length and approximately 35mm is quite a nice usefull one I wouldn't want any convertors. Forces you too think about the shot and your positioning and not to worry about gear which is a blessing and Fuji's sensors have in the past been something pretty special which I would love to see continue.

If it is a reasonable sales success I'd expect an interchangeable lens version to follow.
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If they could make an interchangeable lens one then they'd be mad to release this first, they'd be a lot more successful selling that before this and offering you a 35mm prime as an option.

I know all about how primes make you think but to suggest that being stuck with a wide angle lens at all times on a camera that probably won't give you much change from £4-500 (at a guess) is somehow brilliant then I'm lost. It's not so much the fact you're stuck with one prime lens that I don't get (although I don't) because I've got a folding camera with a fixed lens but what is more bizarre is their choice of focal length for me. IMO, if they're going to do that then stick something with and equivalent to 50mm FF on there.
 
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Kev M said:
You're joking right? As if walking backwards and forwards is the answer to everything. The other side effect of fixed focal length apart from the need to move for your framing is the distorting effects of focal length combined with the camera to subject distance. If it was just a case of moving backwards and forwards then why do we bother with zooms at all, why don't we just all use a 35mm (FF equivalent FOV)? Because frame filling portrait would look like crap is why. 35mm might be fine for certain applications but it's not the answer to everything and neither is walking back and forth.
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I think you are missing the point of this camera completely and I wasn't joking. Its not a full DSLR kit replacer, its the small but high quality camera you sling in your bag or jacket when you don't want to carry everything else. I recognise its not as versatile as a bag full of lenses, or even a single zoom lens but its not the point, is it? If you don't see the use for the camera then why rubbish it? Its obviously not for you!
 
It's not just about leg work, or lack of it Andy. As you know different lenses offer mire than a different field of view. I'm glad that most folks in this thread will consider this camera a great buy.... BUT how many will actually get one? Sigma do something very similar, even has a full frame sensor and is said be fantastic. I've never actually seen one or even a post on here from someone who has one.

Fuji are probably the best lens makers on the planet right now, how fab would it be to see that talent come to the small camera market.
 
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dazzajl said:
It's not just about leg work, or lack of it Andy. As you know different lenses offer mire than a different field of view. I'm glad that most folks in this thread will consider this camera a great buy.... BUT how many will actually get one? Sigma do something very similar, even has a full frame sensor and is said be fantastic. I've never actually seen one or even a post on here from someone who has one.

Fuji are probably the best lens makers on the planet right now, how fab would it be to see that talent come to the small camera market.
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The 'using your legs' bit was a bit daft as in some cases it is impossible to get near or away from the subject you are trying to take a pic of.

Horses for courses etc...:D

What Sigma camera with FF sensor are you talking about? If it's the SP1 or SP2 then they are APS-C sensors, not FF. If I'm wrong then you are free to poke me in the eye! :D :D :D
 
Do you mean the DP sigma range? If so its not quite APS-C. It has a 1.7 crop and the lenses will not be of such good quality (I suspect). Also what sells the fuji is the hybrid rangefinder. For me its just sexy! I will wait and see the prices but as long as they are not completely crazy I will save up and get one.
 
Kev M said:
IMO, if they're going to do that then stick something with and equivalent to 50mm FF on there.
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I'd rather something around 42mm but 35 is a usefull alternative! I guess this really isn't the product for you we will certainly see similar products to this from several lines with interchangeable lenses, afterall if they could make a full frame rangefinder with interchangeable lenses that was pretty much pocket size 50 years ago it can't be long before it's repeated with a sensor in place of the film. Getting rid of the mirror box opens up a whole world of possibilities for small compact cameras and lenses.
 
menthel said:
I think you are missing the point of this camera completely and I wasn't joking. Its not a full DSLR kit replacer, its the small but high quality camera you sling in your bag or jacket when you don't want to carry everything else. I recognise its not as versatile as a bag full of lenses, or even a single zoom lens but its not the point, is it? If you don't see the use for the camera then why rubbish it? Its obviously not for you!
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I'm not rubbishing it, I just don't get the hysteria about any of it apart from the classic styling. APS-C in compacts isn't new either. Obviously it's not meant as a DSLR replacement, it'd look stupid with a 500mm on the front but spending serious money on something that limited is crazy IMO.

As for the whole argument about a bag full of lenses, the only person to blame for that is the photographer. If you want to have your creativity stretched by only having one lens then only take one out with you, nobody forces you to carry the bag of options do they?

Perhaps next year Fuji will come out with the same camera fitted with a 50mm (equivalent) lens and an 85 the year after. Then people can buy all three have a really stylish APS-C camera for every (excluding wildlife and motorsport;)) occasion.

If people really want one I'd say wait 6 months after release until most of them end up on ebay going cheap after people realise how impractical they are and how little use they're getting out of it and save some money in the process.
 
Perhaps I will wait the 6 months and get one cheaper. ;) I went to Prague recently with my 40D and my 18-50 lens only and its still too much sometimes. Personally, I can't want for this one! And having just looked at the Leica X1, this actually looks better!
 
AndyWest said:
The 'using your legs' bit was a bit daft as in some cases it is impossible to get near or away from the subject you are trying to take a pic of.

Horses for courses etc...:D

What Sigma camera with FF sensor are you talking about? If it's the SP1 or SP2 then they are APS-C sensors, not FF. If I'm wrong then you are free to poke me in the eye! :D :D :D
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no eye poking will be required ;)

I really can't remember too much detail about the sigma but I know much talk was hatched because it was a huge sensor by compact standards and the iq was said to be fab. Then nobody bought it. :(
 
OOH, want!

Fixed lens, not a problem. I have more than one fixed lens film rangefinder that I enjoy taking pictures with. A 35mm f/2 is exactly what I take out with my 5D when I want to travel light on digital.

Retro styling is nice, but

  • Proper manual controls - with aperture selection on the lens barrel and top plate shutter speed selection and exposure compensation.
  • The idea of an electronic overlay to an optical viewfinder is great.

This is exactly the kind of camera I've been waiting for to sling in my bag and keep with me at all times :cool:

Just worried that my wallet won't like the price...

edit: it's got to be cheaper than a Leica X-1, hasn't it? :suspect:
 
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Looks nice, and the sensor on that jobbie is probably nothing to be sneezed at either as it's a 23mm lens.
 
There's a lot of discussion on http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1000 if you don't mind the, rather more robust, exchanges on dpreview.

I look the look of it, but I think it's going to be expensive and will probably be a niche camera. It's certainly not going to impact sales of the big zoom, pocket, point and shoot!
 
This is the first new camera in ages that has interested me and just about covers what I've been wanting.
 
MartynK said:
There's a lot of discussion on http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1000 if you don't mind the, rather more robust, exchanges on dpreview.

I look the look of it, but I think it's going to be expensive and will probably be a niche camera. It's certainly not going to impact sales of the big zoom, pocket, point and shoot!
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My god that place is full of brain dead idiots! Makes me glad TP exists!
 
The problem with this camera is that you will have to buy a 60's E-Type Jaguar so you can look at the camera while it is sitting on the leather passenger seat. How sexy is that!!
 
I really like it but a fixed lens??? They have shot them selves in the foot :thinking:

I want canon to make something like this, a digital full frame version of the canon 7 which takes fd lenses hm hm :love:
 
AndyWest said:
The problem with this camera is that you will have to buy a 60's E-Type Jaguar so you can look at the camera while it is sitting on the leather passenger seat. How sexy is that!!
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Not nearly as sexy as in a DB4 or DB5!
 
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