The great TP election thread

ST4 said:
You asked the question to a point that I thought was obvious.

A parent who preaches the lunacies of communism. Son becomes a leftie politician. I wonder how.
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Firstly, the father being a Marxist doesn't make him a preacher. The fact that his father escaped the Nazis by fleeing to Britain whereas Ed was born here. These differing experiences can shape peoples' politics in different ways so there's no guarantee that a son would follow his father's beliefs to that degree.

Left wing doesn't mean communism btw.

BTW Steve, and this will probably blow your mind, but I will probably vote conservative next week (as I have done in previous elections). But I am open minded, I look at things from both sides and I try to make an informed choice.
 
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big soft moose said:
son chose to join labour not the BCP or SWP - how do you account for that ?

its also worth noting that labour are not a left wing party - economically or liberally speaking - see

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compare where labour are to where stalin is

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from https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

if he really was a communist preaching marxist madness, milliband senior must be very disapointed on how lil eds outlook has turned out
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WTF. UKIP further to the right than the BNP!? :rolleyes:
Oh & the Liberals, not really Libertarian? Whatever next. :wacky: :LOL:
 
OldCarlos said:
WTF. UKIP further to the right than the BNP!? :rolleyes:
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thats because the BNP are basically Nazi's and the Nazi is short hand for National Socialist , so they are very strongly authoritarian (that is they believe in secret police, no freedom of speech etc etc) , but not very far to the right in an economic sense , so for example the Nazis had a lot of state control of industry, with VW, the forced formation of the Audi group , the rubber factories at Aucshwitz etc...

Ukip on the other hand arent as authoritarian (they want to expell imigrants, but on the whole not to set up concentration camps for them) , but they believe in much more deregulation of industry and a strong free market economy with little state interference .

in essence this is because left and right are economic terms being very misused (which is also why although Stalin was very left wing economically speaking - he believed in command ecomonies etc, he was also practically a fascist in the authoritarian sense )
 
ST4 said:
Where did Ed Milliband go to school?
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Admit it. You though he was privately educated didn't you.

The thing is Steve, information is out there, you just have to do a little research instead of just reacting and putting your foot in it. ;)
 
StewartR said:
Why do you keep banging on about Ed's kitchens, Phil?

So the piece was written by somebody who is very well connected to the Conservative party, and probably has 6 kitchens of her own, and it was published in a newspaper that is as dogmatic and anti-Labour as it's possible to be. So what? None of that matters. It's not like they made anything up...
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Stewart, I'm 'banging on' because poor Steve won't accept that a debate requires some thought. That Daily Mail story really backfired according to everyone apart from people who just took the Mail story at face value. They didn't make stuff up, they just chose to draw ridiculous conclusions, in a personally poisonous way which is transparent.

As a photographer he should realise it's a ridiculous assumption that Ed had a hand in where his Mrs was posed for a personality piece where he wasn't present but a journalist and photographer were.

Linton Crosby needs lynching for his mis-handling of this election campaign, he's completely failed to read the mood of the nation and after all that's the job he's being paid handsomely for. The Tories are singularly running a negative campaign against a single opponent whilst a bunch of varied opponents are pointing and laughing.

Itd be great if Steve could step from behind the headlines and consider the substance. I can respect people of any political persuasion if they can put up a sensible argument, but Steve ducks out or obfuscates which I find disappointing.
 
Phil V said:
Stewart, I'm 'banging on' because poor Steve won't accept that a debate requires some thought. That Daily Mail story really backfired according to everyone apart from people who just took the Mail story at face value. They didn't make stuff up, they just chose to draw ridiculous conclusions, in a personally poisonous way which is transparent.

As a photographer he should realise it's a ridiculous assumption that Ed had a hand in where his Mrs was posed for a personality piece where he wasn't present but a journalist and photographer were.

Linton Crosby needs lynching for his mis-handling of this election campaign, he's completely failed to read the mood of the nation and after all that's the job he's being paid handsomely for. The Tories are singularly running a negative campaign against a single opponent whilst a bunch of varied opponents are pointing and laughing.

Itd be great if Steve could step from behind the headlines and consider the substance. I can respect people of any political persuasion if they can put up a sensible argument, but Steve ducks out or obfuscates which I find disappointing.
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So Labour never campaign negatively... or target the posh boys running the country??? They all do. Labour seem to spend more time telling us how bad the tories are rather than what they will actually do. The economy is a great case in point - best performing economy in the EU (I believe), a more positive message would be that the tories have done well to achieve this, but we could make it even better with XY & Z.
 
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Phil V said:
poor Steve won't accept that a debate requires some thought.

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Life is too short to worry about someone who's political opinions have gone so far right they're almost a parody. I'm still far from sure it's not a wind up. If ever there was a man ignore was invented for its Steve
 
boyfalldown said:
Life is too short to worry about someone who's political opinions have gone so far right they're almost a parody. I'm still far from sure it's not a wind up. If ever there was a man ignore was invented for its Steve
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Press it then:p
 
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boyfalldown said:
Life is too short to worry about someone who's political opinions have gone so far right they're almost a parody. I'm still far from sure it's not a wind up. If ever there was a man ignore was invented for its Steve
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I swayed one way the the other about this character being a wind up before. Then I looked through his flickr page, as he does produce nice landscape shots and found a photo of who I guess is himself and his parents at lunch. I now regard that as the body behind the name ST4.
 
big soft moose said:
Ukip on the other hand arent as authoritarian (they want to expell imigrants, but on the whole not to set up concentration camps for them) ,...
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Quite a bit wide of the mark I'd say, but I guess it goes along with the dirty tricks/mud slinging/slurs that is too common in politics today. :rolleyes:
 
boyfalldown said:
Life is too short to worry about someone who's political opinions have gone so far right they're almost a parody. I'm still far from sure it's not a wind up. If ever there was a man ignore was invented for its Steve
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We nearly ALL have opinions/political leanings one way or the other, but to say life is too short to worry about someone because they've gone too far to the right, because their opinions/feelings don't match yours & almost belittling them because you don't agree, is quite an immature statement tbh.

I feel we, as a country/nation, have gone soft on all sorts of issues. Too far to the left in my opinion!

I had to laugh to myself a couple of weeks ago when our local BBC news team were out & about speaking to potential voters. They spoke to a young fella (approx. 19-20yrs old) who will be able to vote for the first time.
He said he hadn't made his mind up who he'd vote for yet, but he was sure he wouldn't vote for an ultra right wing party like UKIP.

If the young uns of today really think UKIP are as ultra as they come, they have been brainwashed by the media, or educated/cossetted & fed by the greens.
 
OldCarlos said:
We nearly ALL have opinions/political leanings one way or the other, but to say life is too short to worry about someone because they've gone too far to the right, because their opinions/feelings don't match yours & almost belittling them because you don't agree, is quite an immature statement tbh.

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Reading my post it's not entirely clear if steves a wind up or not, (I'm betting he is though) but it's point was a chill message, not to cause further ructions. :)
 
OldCarlos said:
We nearly ALL have opinions/political leanings one way or the other, but to say life is too short to worry about someone because they've gone too far to the right, because their opinions/feelings don't match yours & almost belittling them because you don't agree, is quite an immature statement tbh.

I feel we, as a country/nation, have gone soft on all sorts of issues. Too far to the left in my opinion!

I had to laugh to myself a couple of weeks ago when our local BBC news team were out & about speaking to potential voters. They spoke to a young fella (approx. 19-20yrs old) who will be able to vote for the first time.
He said he hadn't made his mind up who he'd vote for yet, but he was sure he wouldn't vote for an ultra right wing party like UKIP.

If the young uns of today really think UKIP are as ultra as they come, they have been brainwashed by the media, or educated/cossetted & fed by the greens.
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Well of course we're all entitled to an opinion but if you think machine gunning boats of immigrants isn't 'too far right' we're really not on the same page, and it's not because I'm brainwashed.
 
OldCarlos said:
Quite a bit wide of the mark I'd say, but I guess it goes along with the dirty tricks/mud slinging/slurs that is too common in politics today. :rolleyes:
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political compass isnt about dirty tricks or mudslinging - AFAIK its not even uk based - it just tells it like it is based on their policy statements - as i said the reason UKIP are economically further right than the BNP (and conservatives are even further right still) is that left and right are only a reflection of how much you believe in free market economics vs rcommand economics - the aiuthoritarian vs libertarian stance which people often conflate with left and right is on the other axis
 
Phil V said:
Well of course we're all entitled to an opinion but if you think machine gunning boats of immigrants isn't 'too far right' we're really not on the same page, and it's not because I'm brainwashed.
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strictly speaking thats more of a BNP policy - i'm fairly even ukip don't go quite that far
 
Phil V said:
But Steve did!
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I'm fairly sure Steve's ukip career would be short and interesting (a bit like Kerry smith, and whatever that womans name was who's predjudiced against negroes because of their head shape) "new ukip candidate for edinburgh says ' i want machine gun imigrants ' - nigel farrage says "you have to understand steve's a merchant banker so you have to expect stuff like that from him...." "
 
Phil V said:
Well of course we're all entitled to an opinion but if you think machine gunning boats of immigrants isn't 'too far right' we're really not on the same page, and it's not because I'm brainwashed.
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Where did UKIP or I mention machine gunning boats in my post? o_O

You seem quite good at partial/mixed quotes or just completely twisting things around? (puzzled)
 
OldCarlos said:
Where did UKIP or I mention machine gunning boats in my post? o_O

You seem quite good at partial/mixed quotes or just completely twisting things around? (puzzled)
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You never, UKIP never, Steve did though - more than once!

There's no puzzlement, Hugh mentioned Steve, you quoted Hugh, I quoted you referring back to Steve. Simples. :)
Read it again... There you go :)
 
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OldCarlos said:
Where did UKIP or I mention machine gunning boats in my post? o_O
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Topedoing boats full of imigrants and machine gunning them in the water is Steve (ST4)s solution to the imigration crisis in the med - sadly i'm not sure he's joking
 
I had a little chuckle when I read that our economy was larger than France because we now include income from drugs and prostitution, just about sums the UK up these days. Sad state of affairs
 
jakeblu said:
I had a little chuckle when I read that our economy was larger than France because we now include income from drugs and prostitution, just about sums the UK up these days. Sad state of affairs
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Not sure what point you're making here. Including illegal activities such as drugs and prostitution is de rigeur when EU countries assess the size of their economies, so why shouldn't we at least use the same measuring stick?
 
big soft moose said:
political compass isnt about dirty tricks or mudslinging - AFAIK its not even uk based - it just tells it like it is based on their policy statements - as i said the reason UKIP are economically further right than the BNP (and conservatives are even further right still) is that left and right are only a reflection of how much you believe in free market economics vs rcommand economics - the aiuthoritarian vs libertarian stance which people often conflate with left and right is on the other axis
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Well said. Not enough people seem to grasp this point.

It's funny how all of our parties lean more towards authoritarianism rather than libertarianism. I wonder why that is? I would happily vote for a party that is right wing and libertarian, or centrist and libertarian, but there aren't any of those.
 
Llamaman said:
I must have missed that bit.

Katie Hopkins wrote much the same thing last week - what a lovely couple they'd make.
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You know I used to think hanging was too good for that odious bitch. But you seem to have come up with a fitting punishment. :)
 
ST4 said:
You'd want to hang someone because their views are different to you?
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I'm a strong believer that the death penalty is wrong on several levels. ;)

Let's check your (mis)reading again:
Hanging is too good for her means what?
I can't see how it means I'd hang her. :)

You'd make a lovely couple Steve.

'Nice tits'.
 
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ST4 said:
It's funny how all of our parties lean more towards authoritarianism rather than libertarianism. I wonder why that is?
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I suspect it's because our electoral and political system favour career politicians. People who base their entire life around the Westminster bubble are unlikely to be advocates of reducing its influence. If you want to govern. you want to govern.

ST4 said:
I would happily vote for a party that is right wing and libertarian, or centrist and libertarian, but there aren't any of those.
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The reason why there aren't any libertarian parties is because no-one (except a handful of people) would vote for them. Libertarian philosophy has been pretty much discredited - you'll find a few acolytes in the US clinging to their well-thumbed copies of Atlas Shrugged, but it's never been an ideology that has taken off this side of the pond.

UKIP claim on their website to be Libertarian, but their policies reveal otherwise (part of their strategy to pretend to be all things to all people). Perhaps you should consider emigrating to the US - the Tea Party sound right up your street?
 
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