The Football Thread - Season 2012/2013

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redhed17 said:
Sorry, but spitting, however disgusting, is not an assault. Biting, and the rash of nasty tackles over the last few weeks is. I don't think we'll see Suarez for the rest of this season, quite rightly imho.
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Sorry but you are completely wrong here!

Spitting IS an assault and is treated as such by the police (I know cos I know people who work in custody and if anyone is ever spat at by a detainee then they are charged with assault)

Also if someone is spat in the eye and the person spitting has HIV then it is known fact that spitting in the eye is one of the easiest ways to transmit HIV or any other infections onto another person, so in this case spitting is certainly on a par if not worse than biting.
 
joescrivens said:
personally I thought giroud deserved the red card :shrug:
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It's not so much the red I have a problem with as the punishment relative to other things that are let go and in particular the red card for Kompany that was overturned.

How is it right that a player who meant to trap the ball but slipped and clumsily went over the top worthy of a 3 match ban, but stamping a player on the ground or a knee high challenge that hospitalises and ends a player's season is excusable?

The red itself is understandable because it could have done some damage, but relative to the other things we've seen ignored or forgiven it's actually relatively minor.
 
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TriggerHappy said:
Not to mention more than a few United fans who left before the final whistle, presumably to get on the last train headed down south ;)
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Thing is, you are probably right. Although having now watched the game my wife recorded on sky I can see why you got that. I mean, after all when the players left the pitch the sky cameras went over board as usual. Still quite a few people who go to get some kip before work at daft o'clock. There is still a strong amount of working class men doing early / late shifts at that ground. Especially in the Stretford End.

My hands goes out to ANY football fan who goes regularly. Especially regularly.
 
cambsno said:
It probably was a red if looked at in isolation but when you see some of the challenges of late it appears to be very unfair.
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Shouldn't every incident be looked at in isolation? :shrug: An incident either deserves, nothing, a yellow or a red. To put the idea into Ref's minds that one decision was or was not given previously, and this isn't as 'bad', and so changes the decision making process somehow is wrong imho. What if all the Ref's don't see the same incidents? :shrug: Obviously human nature will probably do that anyway, but it shouldn't be encouraged or be an excuse why a decision wasn't given.

Match officials will make mistakes, they only see something once (or not) and in real time after all, but there is no excuse for the FA not to make the correct decisions later. The Suarez incident highlights this perfectly, the officials apparently saw nothing. :shrug: A few of the 26 cameras covering the game luckily caught the incident. Ironically the the officials not seeing it leaves the route clear for a large Suarez ban and fine. The 'not being able to over rule the Ref' rule if he has seen an incident, needs to be abolished of course, but there doesn't seem to be any sign, or even discussion of that. :shake:

Question the incorrect decisions, not the correct ones. Giroud's 'tackle' was a dangerous foul and deserved a red. Worse decisions having not being given is irrelevant to the Giroud incident imho. :shrug:


redmonkee said:
Sorry but you are completely wrong here!

Spitting IS an assault and is treated as such by the police (I know cos I know people who work in custody and if anyone is ever spat at by a detainee then they are charged with assault)

Also if someone is spat in the eye and the person spitting has HIV then it is known fact that spitting in the eye is one of the easiest ways to transmit HIV or any other infections onto another person, so in this case spitting is certainly on a par if not worse than biting.
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I bow to your superior knowledge. :thankyou: :)
 
redhed17 said:
Shouldn't every incident be looked at in isolation? :shrug: An incident either deserves, nothing, a yellow or a red. To put the idea into Ref's minds that one decision was or was not given previously, and this isn't as 'bad', and so changes the decision making process somehow is wrong imho. What if all the Ref's don't see the same incidents? :shrug: Obviously human nature will probably do that anyway, but it shouldn't be encouraged or be an excuse why a decision wasn't given.

Match officials will make mistakes, they only see something once (or not) and in real time after all, but there is no excuse for the FA not to make the correct decisions later. The Suarez incident highlights this perfectly, the officials apparently saw nothing. :shrug: A few of the 26 cameras covering the game luckily caught the incident. Ironically the the officials not seeing it leaves the route clear for a large Suarez ban and fine. The 'not being able to over rule the Ref' rule if he has seen an incident, needs to be abolished of course, but there doesn't seem to be any sign, or even discussion of that. :shake:

Question the incorrect decisions, not the correct ones. Giroud's 'tackle' was a dangerous foul and deserved a red. Worse decisions having not being given is irrelevant to the Giroud incident imho. :shrug:

I bow to your superior knowledge. :thankyou: :)
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The fact is though that the FA didn't act in all these other cases.

Back to Suarez, why the witch hunt? Defoe did similar and barely mentioned.
 
cambsno said:
Back to Suarez, why the witch hunt? Defoe did similar and barely mentioned.
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hasn't he brought this on himself?

if suarez had not racially abused Evra he would not be hated
if suarez had not dived round all day he would not be hated
if suarez had not stamped on players he would not be hated
if suarez had not handballed v ghana he would not be hated
if suarez had not handballed v mansfield he would not be hated
if suarez had not goaded moyes he would not be hated
if suarez had not bit someone in holland he would not be hated
if suarez had not given fulham the finger he would not be hated
if suarez had no chinned a player on int'l duty he would not be hated
if suarez had not refused a handshake he would not be hated
if suarez had not bitten ivanovic he would not be hated

so whose fault is it?

the fa, SAF, bitters, chelsea, the national front, belgian police, dem yanks, b-rodge, souness, redknapp, fellaini, cantona, keane, duncan ferguson, paul davis, some wigan lad, aguero, BUT not suarez apparently- despite him being the only common theme in every single offence.
 
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mindcrime said:
hasn't he brought this on himself?

if suarez had not racially abused Evra he would not be hated
if suarez had not dived round all day he would not be hated
if suarez had not stamped on players he would not be hated
if suarez had not handballed v ghana he would not be hated
if suarez had not handballed v mansfield he would not be hated
if suarez had not goaded moyes he would not be hated
if suarez had not bit someone in holland he would not be hated
if suarez had not given fulham the finger he would not be hated
if suarez had no chinned a player on int'l duty he would not be hated
if suarez had not refused a handshake he would not be hated
if suarez had not bitten ivanovic he would not be hated

so whose fault is it?

the fa, SAF, bitters, chelsea, the national front, belgian police, dem yanks, b-rodge, souness, redknapp, fellaini, cantona, keane, duncan ferguson, paul davis, some wigan lad, aguero, BUT not suarez apparently- despite him being the only common theme in every single offence.
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Not saying he is whiter than white, but it was one offence on sun, 3 game ban, end of. Players should get punished equally.

Oh, and loads of players handball, can't really have a go for that.

Anyway, just for fun, who do you all hate most? Barton or Suarez?
 
redhed17 said:
Shouldn't every incident be looked at in isolation? :shrug: An incident either deserves, nothing, a yellow or a red. To put the idea into Ref's minds that one decision was or was not given previously, and this isn't as 'bad', and so changes the decision making process somehow is wrong imho. What if all the Ref's don't see the same incidents? :shrug: Obviously human nature will probably do that anyway, but it shouldn't be encouraged or be an excuse why a decision wasn't given.

Match officials will make mistakes, they only see something once (or not) and in real time after all, but there is no excuse for the FA not to make the correct decisions later. The Suarez incident highlights this perfectly, the officials apparently saw nothing. :shrug: A few of the 26 cameras covering the game luckily caught the incident. Ironically the the officials not seeing it leaves the route clear for a large Suarez ban and fine. The 'not being able to over rule the Ref' rule if he has seen an incident, needs to be abolished of course, but there doesn't seem to be any sign, or even discussion of that. :shake:

Question the incorrect decisions, not the correct ones. Giroud's 'tackle' was a dangerous foul and deserved a red. Worse decisions having not being given is irrelevant to the Giroud incident imho. :shrug:

I bow to your superior knowledge. :thankyou: :)
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I disagree. I'm firmly of the belief that the rules themselves don't matter so much as the consistent enforcement of whatever the rules may be. It's no good if the ref has an idea of what's fair/foul one game but another ref or another game has a different view.

Don't mistake this for a criticism of the refs though. It's not. They have a hard job, made worse by the way the FA hangs them out to dry when they make a mistake. If they embraced the fact that humans aren't perfect and sought to iron out those mistakes retrospectively then it relieves the pressures on them from players, clubs, fans and media for officials to get everything correct all the time.

The fact something has been allowed before but not in this instance is wrong. As I said earlier, I don't disagree with the red - given the way his leg made contact - but to get a 3 match ban for a dangerous tackle when tackles far more dangerous - some resulting in serious injury - and some violent tackles have had a blind eye turned to because the officials saw them once in real time, perhaps only from their peripheral vision; is just not right. It's not fair on the officials, the players involved, or the clubs and it needs to change.
 
cambsno said:
Anyway, just for fun, who do you all hate most? Barton or Suarez?
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Suarez, because he's the one that attempts to cheat, deceive or mame in almost every game he plays, which is a shame as he's a great striker. Barton is just thick and a useless footballer.
 
cambsno said:
Anyway, just for fun, who do you all hate most? Barton or Suarez?
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I don't care enough about either of them to go as far as 'hating' them.

Out of the two though - I probably find Suarez more disgusting. Barton is just a thug whist Suarez's actions are very sly and made worse by the fact he then makes out to be the victim.

I don't mean this in a sarcastic way but Suarez clearly has something wrong with him and Liverpool must have a 'duty of care' responsibilty.
 
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joescrivens said:
Surely even you admit that one was funny
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Actually, thought he should have been booked for provocation, and showed what little respect he has for fellow professionals. It's no different to Adebayor (sp?) running to the Arsenal fans when he scored for City. Lack of respect!
 
Andy Townsend commentating, Arjen Robben playing, there can be fewer more annoying combinations in football, ignoring the cannibal.

Barca are going to need something amazing in the second leg.
 
akr said:
Andy Townsend commentating, Arjen Robben playing, there can be fewer more annoying combinations in football, ignoring the cannibal.

Barca are going to need something amazing in the second leg.
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Incredible display from Bayern. Not a team of players I like but you have to give the club respect for the incredible side they've built. The combination of speed, technical ability, physical presence, tactical awareness, discipline and hard work is just too much for most sides.

A 3-3 result over two legs in Arsenal's clash with them looks even more respectable in light of how Barca were utterly overwhelmed today.

They're not two sides I like particularly but it was an excellent match to watch.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Incredible display from Bayern. Not a team of players I like but you have to give the club respect for the incredible side they've built. The combination of speed, technical ability, physical presence, tactical awareness, discipline and hard work is just too much for most sides.

A 3-3 result over two legs in Arsenal's clash with them looks even more respectable in light of how Barca were utterly overwhelmed today.

They're not two sides I like particularly but it was an excellent match to watch.
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Bayern certainly sent out a message - I only caught it from 60 mins so hard to get a feel for the whole match.

Like most neutrals I imagine, am hoping for Dortmund win in the final, should they get there.
 
mindcrime said:
Actually, thought he should have been booked for provocation, and showed what little respect he has for fellow professionals. It's no different to Adebayor (sp?) running to the Arsenal fans when he scored for City. Lack of respect!
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Why so serious?
 
Bayern were awesome against Barcelona tonight, but in the previous round Arsenal were poor! Funny that.
 
Twas a fantastic performance and result for Bayern tonight.

I fancied them to win but with Barca getting an away goal - 2:1 or 3:1

4:0 could well be tie over but you just never know with Barcelona.

As for RVP - do you think he'll have sobered up by the Arsenal game ?
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dinners said:
Twas a fantastic performance and result for Bayern tonight.

I fancied them to win but with Barca getting an away goal - 2:1 or 3:1

4:0 could well be tie over but you just never know with Barcelona.

As for RVP - do you think he'll have sobered up by the Arsenal game ?
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Hopefully Not lol
 
Can't say I enjoyed that game. Bayern did a professional job though. :clap: I can't see Barca coming back from that, even if Messi gets back into form.

I hope Real don't get through, can't stand Moaninho. :shake:
 
mindcrime said:
Actually, thought he should have been booked for provocation, and showed what little respect he has for fellow professionals. It's no different to Adebayor (sp?) running to the Arsenal fans when he scored for City. Lack of respect!
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Gee

Lighten up. If a player can't celebrate in front of a manager or opposing fans then what's the point.

This witch hunt on Suarez is purely because he is a world class player and all the other teams wish they had a player of his quality and are purely attempting to drive him out of the game to harm Liverpool FC.

I see you're an Everton Fan.......funny that. What are your thoughts on Duncan Ferguson!!!!
 
redmonkee said:
This witch hunt on Suarez is purely because he is a world class player and all the other teams wish they had a player of his quality and are purely attempting to drive him out of the game to harm Liverpool FC.
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You're way wide of the mark. It's because he's the most vile and disgusting footballer we've seen in the premier league for many, many years.

Liverpool fans - always the victim somehow.
 
redmonkee said:
Gee

Lighten up. If a player can't celebrate in front of a manager or opposing fans then what's the point.

This witch hunt on Suarez is purely because he is a world class player and all the other teams wish they had a player of his quality and are purely attempting to drive him out of the game to harm Liverpool FC.

I see you're an Everton Fan.......funny that. What are your thoughts on Duncan Ferguson!!!!
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agreed. When it comes to suarez people take things so personally, they seem to forget its only a game of football we're talking about here. Why so serious?

It's as if Suarez has come into these peoples homes and made love to their wife, drank all their beer and eaten all their food.

But I do enjoy seeing them get so riled, especially when he scores.
 
TriggerHappy said:
You're way wide of the mark. It's because he's the most vile and disgusting footballer we've seen in the premier league for many, many years.

Liverpool fans - always the victim somehow.
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we're not being victims we're just sat back amused at how wound up and serious the rest of you lot are taking it all.

It's only football!
 
TriggerHappy said:
You're way wide of the mark. It's because he's the most vile and disgusting footballer we've seen in the premier league for many, many years.

Liverpool fans - always the victim somehow.
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Calm down Dear...Calm down :D

So you would't have him in your team then. I think you and most others would.
 
Thing is, you cant just say "you wouldn't have him in your team"
He is the hero of a mid table side at the moment. Lets just say, there are several clubs in a better position than the one suarez plays for, so they should be and probably are quite happy with him staying where he is :thumbs:
 
strange how liverfool fans were fuming when gary neville celebrated in front of them and he got charged for it.
 
redmonkee said:
Calm down Dear...Calm down :D

So you would't have him in your team then. I think you and most others would.
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We're a fickle bunch when it comes to players and our teams.

If I was a Liverpool fan, I'd still be pretty disgusted with the various things he's done over the years but I'd still want him to be at the club.

It would never happen but (speaking hypothetically) would I be happy to have Suarez at United next season. Absolutely not.

It's always easy to condone the actions of players representing other teams and with Suarez it's even easier.
 
redmonkee said:
Calm down Dear...Calm down :D

So you would't have him in your team then. I think you and most others would.
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As I've said many times before, I'd be massively disappointed if we signed him. The damage he'd do to the club's reputation would be far worse than any benefit we may get from his talent. Fortunately, I'm pretty certain he's precisely the type of personality Wenger also avoids like the plague.
 
joescrivens said:
Why so serious?
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OK the, a little more light hearted. See if you can read Jamie Carragher's article sticking up for Luis yesterday without spraying tea/coffee over your keyboard.

To quote: "It is as if Luis is the only player to have represented Liverpool who has ever been embroiled in controversy - that simply isn't the case" and

"Luis was wrong, but before we hound him out let's remember there have been other Liverpool legends who were not exactly saints"

In other words, in order to try and mitigate Gnasher's behaviour, Carragher has listed all the violent/controversial things Liverpool players have done in the past!! Including Souness punching a Romanian and breaking his jaw and even talking about Stevieee G's affray charge (from which he was found not guilty) :cuckoo:

I guess LFC and his team mates will understand what he was trying to do :lol:
 
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redmonkee said:
Gee

Lighten up. If a player can't celebrate in front of a manager or opposing fans then what's the point.

This witch hunt on Suarez is purely because he is a world class player and all the other teams wish they had a player of his quality and are purely attempting to drive him out of the game to harm Liverpool FC.

I see you're an Everton Fan.......funny that. What are your thoughts on Duncan Ferguson!!!!
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My thought on Duncan? You know, I didn't actually like him as a player, as good and influential as he could be, but his behaviour wasn't befitting of the club. Didn't expect that reply, did you, seeing as Big Dunc is hailed a "hero"?
 
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Spuff said:
OK the, a little more light hearted. See if you can read Jamie Carragher's article sticking up for Luis yesterday without spraying tea/coffee over your keyboard.

To quote: "It is as if Luis is the only player to have represented Liverpool who has ever been embroiled in controversy - that simply isn't the case" and

"Luis was wrong, but before we hound him out let's remember there have been other Liverpool legends who were not exactly saints"

In other words, in order to try and mitigate Gnasher's behaviour, Carragher has listed all the violent/controversial things Liverpool players have done in the past!! Including Souness punching a Romanian and breaking his jaw and even talking about Stevieee G's affray charge (from which he was found not guilty) :cuckoo:

I guess LFC and his team mates will understand what he was trying to do :lol:
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And here's Jamie-La's not so light-hearted response to when he had his leg broken by Lucas Neill....

"When my leg was broken in an horrific tackle by Lucas Neill in September 2003, my mates were ready to hunt him down if I gave the go-ahead.

A few weeks later I received a phone call. “You won’t believe this, Jay. We’re in the Trafford Centre and Lucas Neill is walking straight towards us. What do you reckon?”

Did I really want Neill to take a crack? “There’s only one problem,” added the voice. “Little Davey Thommo is with him.”

That was that. I could hardly let one of my best mates, David Thompson, now a Blackburn player, become a witness to an assault. Besides he’d have recognised the attackers. The impromptu mission was aborted and I sent a text to Thommo telling him Neill should give him a hug of thanks.

As word got back to Blackburn about the near miss, or should that be hit, their coach Terry Darracott, a Scouser, appealed to one of my friends to call the boys off. I agreed."
 
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