The Football Thread - Season 2012/2013

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joescrivens said:
We already have a european cup - why have another one for the ones who failed to get in it?
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The same reason the Champions League isn't just for Champions ;)

And the reason Suarez is disliked....2 stamps in one motion...

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i think a lot of people in this thread must have never actually played football. The speed at which you are running and the split second decisions. Sometimes results in some contact. It's a contact sport.

the suarez haters will call that a stamp. Sometimes things get a little stampy - anyone else doing that wouldn't have even got a mention. Thats whats so amusing about it
 
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You can see he means it in his face. He looks down at the player, gets him on the leg and then gets him on the small of his back with a little sneaky sideways rake for good measure.

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All these stamps and achilles rakes - it's not clumsyness, it's malicious intent. All too frequently he either steps on people he's shoved over first or rakes their heels if he can't get past them.

A poor view of the incident but there was actually another one of his clumsy trademark achilles rakes in last night's match V Zenit that saw Lombaerts have to be replaced at half-time

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He's a good player so it's a shame he keeps showing this devious side to his game.
 
dinners said:
You can see he means it in his face. He looks down at the player, gets him on the leg and then gets him on the small of his back with a little sneaky sideways rake for good measure.
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Nah

It's quite normal when a player falls over in front of you to look down at your footing. His foot ended up where it was going to fall naturally - just so happened there was a fellow underneath.

You're forgetting these people are travelling at speed. I don't think you must have played football before phil
 
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mindcrime said:
That'll look smart with a pair of trackie bottoms and some scuffed Adidas Samba's.
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I like this one....

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If you can't bare to be seen in public - for a few extra quid you can get the hat.

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Hmm, looks like arsenal have had the same designer. That home kit is rank. The third kit looks good.
 
I'd have said the home kit was my favourite of the 3 so between us we have them all covered :lol: it just goes to show how hard it is to please everyone with new kits!
 
Those Arsenal ones are nice.

United have been crap for a few years now (I hate Nike's efforts) but Nike are about to blow all previous kit deals out of the water with a new United deal so ho hum

Not sure which of these are the real deal as there are always loads of mock up doing the rounds.....

These would be OK for a Nike effort apart from the lettering...

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These are rubbish....

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Rubbish...another flipping table cloth...
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I know we'll make a fortune from the Nike deal but I'd love to see Adidas come up with something like this....

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I've not heard about a possible United switch to Adidas. What's the rumoured figure for that? Arsenal have agreed a switch to Adidas from 14/15 that earns us £25m a season, which is a very welcome increase from the £13m we've been on for some time. Our new agreement with Emirates boosts our kit sponsorship deal to £150m, but that's still a long way behind the £350m deal united have agreed with Chevrolet for similar sponsorship rights.

I still take exception to calling our stadium The Emirates, especially now it's taken for granted as that and the extended sponsorship deal doesn't appear to formerly acknowledge a fee for the rights to name the stadium. It will always be Ashburton Grove to me. Sadly, I don't think many people would know where I was on about if I called it that!
 
There is no United switch to Adidas. They're just mock ups.

United had a massive deal with Nike ages ago (it's still big by today's standards) but it's about to be renewed for a ridiculous mind boggling amount. I'll have a rake around for figures.

It will mean a crap kit though LOL
 
TriggerHappy said:
I've not heard about a possible United switch to Adidas. What's the rumoured figure for that? Arsenal have agreed a switch to Adidas from 14/15 that earns us £25m a season, which is a very welcome increase from the £13m we've been on for some time. Our new agreement with Emirates boosts our kit sponsorship deal to £150m, but that's still a long way behind the £350m deal united have agreed with Chevrolet for similar sponsorship rights.
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Nike's 10 year old deal saw them pay Manchester United over £303 million for a % share of retail sales for its iconic swoosh to grace the home kit, away kit and all club related apparel.

Nike's existing agreement comes to an end in 2014, however Nike are keen to fend off competition, offering to bring forward their renewal option and both parties are currently negotiating a new deal understood to to be upward of £1 billion.

If signed, it will be the largest sponsorship deal in sporting history. Nike have a six-month window to negotiate. Sure to be mentioned in the talks is the fact that GM's Chevrolet division have agreed to pay over $600 million over seven years to Manchester United only for the Chevrolet logo to appear on the front of the match day playing shirt - the terms of which contributed to the ouster of GM's former CMO, Joel Ewanick.
 
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Not keen on the Liverpool kits if they are for real. Fingers crossed they are not.

I like the Arsenal white kit, not sure about the other kits. :shake:

I like the Utd black kit, but again the other kits. :shrug: I don't think they are hugely different to what they have now. I liked the Adidas v neck Utd effort. :thumbs: I haveto agree that Nike seem to be doing very poor designs. Whatever they put out though, they will sell a fair few. :shrug: Luckily I'll ever have to wear one. ;) :lol:

I think there may be some very odd sponsorship deals going around as ways of circumventing the Financial Fair play rules, just in case they may be strongly enforced. (some hope :bang:)
 
redhed17 said:
I think there may be some very odd sponsorship deals going around as ways of circumventing the Financial Fair play rules, just in case they may be strongly enforced. (some hope :bang:)
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I agree there have been a lot of FFP 'deals' of late that will need looking at but the Nike / United one has long been a record breaker based on United as a business. The last one blew everything else out of the water and United's continued success on and off the pitch suggests there's still value for both parties.

It's all about 'fair value' and I've previously posted (at length) about the likes of Sheikh Mansour pumping massively inflated sums of money (albeit his own) into City dressed up as income. Look at the 'self' naming rights of a stadium they don't even own compared to the 'fair value' example set by Emirates and Arsenal.

What the football powers need to decide is whether we go 100% FFP or just say 'sod it' because it can't be policed.

If we police FFP 100% then everything looks good for United. Arsenal will also be strong. Well run clubs will get their rewards.

If we don't police FFP then we have to accept that any old sugar daddy club (currently City and Chelsea) can come to the fore at any time. United are holding their own but Arsenal and Liverpool are already in danger of being pushed out of the Champions League money which means nothing to the 'funded' clubs.
 
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dinners said:
I agree there have been a lot of FFP 'deals' of late that will need looking at but the Nike / United one has long been a record breaker based on United as a business. The last one blew everything else out of the water and United's continued success on and off the pitch suggests there's still value for both parties.

It's all about 'fair value' and I've previously posted (at length) about the likes of Sheikh Mansour pumping massively inflated sums of money (albeit another business he has) into City dressed up as income. Look at the 'self' naming rights of a stadium they don't even own compared to the 'fair value' example set by Emirates and Arsenal.

What the football powers need to decide is whether we go 100% FFP or just say 'sod it' because it can't be policed.

If we go with 100% FFP then everything looks good for United. Arsenal will also be strong.

If we don't police FFP then it will just continue to be like the last few years - Sugar daddies v United.
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Precisely. As long as the deal is profitable marketing for Nike/Adidas/Chevrolet/Emirates etc. and in line with market rates then it doesn't matter if the figure is £5 or £500m. If a deal suddenly jumps from hundreds of thousands to tens of millions, or holds no parity to other clubs of similar fan base, value, stature etc. then it needs looking into. Obviously if a kit sponsorship deal bears no similarity to the number of kits sold then it needs investigating.

Here's a little diagram of the current figures from sportingintelligence.com (I love that site!):

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dinners said:
I agree there have been a lot of FFP 'deals' of late that will need looking at but the Nike / United one has long been a record breaker based on United as a business. The last one blew everything else out of the water and United's continued success on and off the pitch suggests there's still value for both parties.

It's all about 'fair value' and I've previously posted (at length) about the likes of Sheikh Mansour pumping massively inflated sums of money (albeit his own) into City dressed up as income. Look at the 'self' naming rights of a stadium they don't even own compared to the 'fair value' example set by Emirates and Arsenal.

What the football powers need to decide is whether we go 100% FFP or just say 'sod it' because it can't be policed.

If we police FFP 100% then everything looks good for United. Arsenal will also be strong. Well run clubs will get their rewards.

If we don't police FFP then we have to accept that any old sugar daddy club (currently City and Chelsea) can come to the fore at any time. United are holding their own but Arsenal and Liverpool are already in danger of being pushed out of the Champions League money which means nothing to the 'funded' clubs.
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Wen does the ffp actually start?
 
dinners said:
These would be OK for a Nike effort apart from the lettering...
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I think the fonts have to be the same on the shirts, a rule was brought in about it after a few were hard to read, supposedly.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Wen does the ffp actually start?
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I heard a rumour about a way to bypass fp rules. Take Man U as an example. Lets say they want Ronaldo back. One of the sponsors (say Chevrolet) employ him as a ambassador who then happens to play football. So Man U don't pay wages. Not sure how true but seems possible.
 
So Man Utd at home today, can they do what Chelsea, Spurs and Man City have failed to do so far this year - and beat us, or score a goal against us for that matter. We will no doubt adopt the Scotland approach of 4-6-0 formation, with Tarrabt nominally forward.

I expect they will more likely do what Swansea did to us, but let's see, you never know - we are due some luck from 96 and Cantona's 8th minute injury time equaliser - I am not bitter about that!
 
cambsno said:
I heard a rumour about a way to bypass fp rules. Take Man U as an example. Lets say they want Ronaldo back. One of the sponsors (say Chevrolet) employ him as a ambassador who then happens to play football. So Man U don't pay wages. Not sure how true but seems possible.
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Idoubt it would happen in the way you describe, but of course he would get a huge amount of external sponsorship aside from him contract. I think Man Utd would want him fully contracted and paid by them, they coud of course likely generate more income with him in the side, same reason everyone always wants Beckham, and we have Park.
 
dinners said:
Nike's 10 year old deal saw them pay Manchester United over £303 million for a % share of retail sales for its iconic swoosh to grace the home kit, away kit and all club related apparel.

Nike's existing agreement comes to an end in 2014, however Nike are keen to fend off competition, offering to bring forward their renewal option and both parties are currently negotiating a new deal understood to to be upward of £1 billion.
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I have no doubt that Utd sell a lot of merchandise, probably the most of any team, but a 3x increase in time of a recession? :thinking: Obviously the details of the deals may be different, but that is a big increase. :|

Imagine how much more they'd sell if they had attractive kits. ;) :lol:
 
akr said:
So Man Utd at home today, can they do what Chelsea, Spurs and Man City have failed to do so far this year - and beat us, or score a goal against us for that matter. We will no doubt adopt the Scotland approach of 4-6-0 formation, with Tarrabt nominally forward.

I expect they will more likely do what Swansea did to us, but let's see, you never know - we are due some luck from 96 and Cantona's 8th minute injury time equaliser - I am not bitter about that!
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I honestly don't know what to expect from today. Swansea must have shattered their confidence but then again, our best performances always seem to come against the bigger teams. The problem is, in order to avoid relegation, you have to beat the teams around you and that's where we've really struggled this season.

I almost wish we had last season's run in again! :gag:
 
cambsno said:
I heard a rumour about a way to bypass fp rules. Take Man U as an example. Lets say they want Ronaldo back. One of the sponsors (say Chevrolet) employ him as a ambassador who then happens to play football. So Man U don't pay wages. Not sure how true but seems possible.
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Whilst it's not as black and white as that - this already happens to some degree in that a company will offer more to sponsor a team if it contains something or somebody that generates more exposure.

I can't remember the exact details but I seem to recall Nike had something going on with the Brazil team and also the top Brazilian players. Round about 2003 when United were close to signing Ronaldinho, Nike played a huge part in making deals happen that ensured that the players were at clubs that were also part of the Nike family.
 
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