The Football Thread - Season 2012/2013

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I'm sure there must be a name for the 'fear of thinking your wrong' but Joe must have it ;)
 
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Lampard. Good management not giving him a contract, because he's picked his game up to the frank of old in the second half of the season?

Or just Chelski not knowing what to do with the old lags. Terry to go? How long has Torres?
 
Good to see Everton lose. If Liverpool manage to pull off two wins this week they can find themselves above the toffees.
 
Well, Joe, you're up against 2 teams in the Top 10, and you've yet to beat a top half team this season.

Everton beat themselves today. United were no great shakes; 2 goals from bad defending. Our final ball and decisions were awful and we gave them too much respect. Awful performance!
 
mindcrime said:
Well, Joe, you're up against 2 teams in the Top 10, and you've yet to beat a top half team this season.
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Depends on your definition of top half team. If you mean the current top half then you're wrong as we beat west brom already this season. It was in the cup but we still beat them.

Also we have beaten other teams that have been in the top 10 over the period of the season that aren't in it now. Like west ham for example.
 
Liverpool beat a top ten side everyday......they are in the top ten (just) and beat themselves up!
 
Delighted with the 3 points today.

I'm glad Fergie saw the importance of bagging a 12 point advantage ahead of the CL away game at Real Madrid.

I actually think the top end of the Premier League is a bit weak just now and Madrid will be a step to far but should we manage to get through - the lead in the league could allow us a little bit of luxury in terms of team selection.
 
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joescrivens said:
Good to see Everton lose. If Liverpool manage to pull off two wins this week they can find themselves above the toffees.
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Yes, a good result. Highly unlikely we'll take over Bale or Arsenal though, but progress is being made. It's also unlikely Sturridge will play tonight.
 
dinners said:
I actually think the top end of the Premier League is a bit weak just now and Madrid will be a step to far but should we manage to get through - the lead in the league could allow us a little bit of luxury in terms of team selection.
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I partly agree - I just think RVP has pushed Man Utd to another level and everyone else has stagnated really. We are playing you in two weeks and I am mildly terrified and hoping Ferguson rests him against us!
 
dinners said:
Delighted with the 3 points today.

I'm glad Fergie saw the importance of bagging a 12 point advantage ahead of the CL away game at Real Madrid.

I actually think the top end of the Premier League is a bit weak just now and Madrid will be a step to far but should we manage to get through - the lead in the league could allow us a little bit of luxury in terms of team selection.
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I hope so, I have a tenner on united to win the CL this season at 13-1

I think if they get past real madrid then they'll be favourites
 
The23rdman said:
Yes, a good result. Highly unlikely we'll take over Bale or Arsenal though, but progress is being made. It's also unlikely Sturridge will play tonight.
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I heard them called Team GB (Spurs) which I thought was quite funny.

It's interesting how the top third of the table is panning out in terms of local rivalries. Liverpool hunting Everton, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea all so close together and City and United after top spot.

I just hope Suarez gets a few goals for my FF team. As Liverpool have two games in this game week I also stuck Henderson as he cost what I had left.
 
dinners said:
I heard them called Team GB (Spurs) which I thought was quite funny.

It's interesting how the top third of the table is panning out in terms of local rivalries. Liverpool hunting Everton, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea all so close together and City and United after top spot.

I just hope Suarez gets a few goals for my FF team. As Liverpool have two games in this game week I also stuck Henderson as he cost what I had left.
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Henderson will do you right. ;)
 
dinners said:
I actually think the top end of the Premier League is a bit weak just now and Madrid will be a step to far but should we manage to get through - the lead in the league could allow us a little bit of luxury in terms of team selection.
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Iam not so sure it is, We have pundits praising the likes of Ricky Lambert,Michu,Benteke etc and then criticising the top sides defence:thinking: We'll find out in the next few weeks I suppose :)
 
I think the prem has been weak for a few years to be honest. Man united are nowhere near the team they were only a few years back, City have been dreadful in the CL. Somehow, God knows how they managed it,but fair play to them, Chelsea won the CL last year.I think the CL is a good measure of where the prem league really is and how good it is.
 
akr said:
I just think RVP has pushed Man Utd to another level and everyone else has stagnated really.
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I don't think RvP has pushed Utd to another level, he has just give them a reliable goalscorer. :shrug:

With all the money spent it's hard to understand why the quality level has come down. :shrug: :thinking:

Many City looked particularly bad on Saturday, considering the money they have spent and that they are the defending champions. :shake:

Credit must be given to Southampton though for taking the game to them. :clap: We'll see in the next game whether it was City being poor or not. I wanted Southampton to implode for getting rid of Adkins, who was doing a pretty good job. Doesn't look like that will happen.


I think the whole Premier League is generally inconsistent, and while it is always the teams who are most consistent that do well, some of the results yoyo with teams from one week to the next so much. :thinking:

Maybe the match is fixing widespread and is affecting results. :shrug: Blatant penalties not being given, and surprising own goals makes you think. :thinking:

I hope not. :(
 
maybe its not that the top of the prem are weak but that the bottom is getting better thus bridging the gap more?
 
Don`t think so Joe. The best display of football I have seen all season was when Dortmund murdered us at Eastlands.How the hell we got a point from that God alone knows.

Prem sides are weak in the CL, that is the benchmark.

How many of the current ManU squad would get in the team from say 10 years ago? Not many.Same can be said of Arsenal IMO.
 
fracster said:
Don`t think so Joe. The best display of football I have seen all season was when Dortmund murdered us at Eastlands.How the hell we got a point from that God alone knows.

Prem sides are weak in the CL, that is the benchmark.

How many of the current ManU squad would get in the team from say 10 years ago? Not many.Same can be said of Arsenal IMO.
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Ferdinand, Vidic, Giggs, Rooney, Evra, Carrick and Valencia just to name a few.........see below

Being slightly pedantic because 10 years ago we were not a strong a team as we are now imho of course

MU Squad from 2002/03
 
tiler65 said:
Ferdinand, Vidic, Giggs, Rooney, Evra, Carrick and Valencia just to name a few.........see below

Being slightly pedantic because 10 years ago we were not a strong a team as we are now imho of course

MU Squad from 2002/03
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You know what I meant Tom. So I got my dates wrong. How many would get in the Beckham,Scholes, Bruce,Cantona etc team?

Arsenal players now that would have got in the Adams,Viera team?

Not many I wouldn`t think.

Lee Chadwick, he was deffo "not very good"
 
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fracster said:
You know what I meant Tom. So I got my dates wrong. How many would get in the Beckham,Scholes, Bruce,Cantona etc team?

Arsenal players now that would have got in the Adams,Viera team?

Not many I wouldn`t think.
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I do know what you mean but then the same can be said about any so called 'great' team of the past.

Just one more point....team and squads are different and again if you say how many of the current squad would get in the squad of 1996/97 then I would say far more than you are giving the current crop credit.

Would Mike Summerbee get in city's winning side from last year? This type of question is too loaded for serious debate as there are too many variables that can change the outcome.
 
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which year would you have got in the united team tom?
 
tiler65 said:
Ferdinand, Vidic, Giggs, Rooney, Evra, Carrick and Valencia just to name a few.........see below

Being slightly pedantic because 10 years ago we were not a strong a team as we are now imho of course

MU Squad from 2002/03
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went out to Real that year :eek:
 
Fair point Tom, I still think the prem standard is not all it is cracked up to be. I guess we`ll see this week ,compared to other top leagues.
 
fracster said:
Fair point Tom, I still think the prem standard is not all it is cracked up to be. I guess we`ll see this week ,compared to other top leagues.
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I think what is different are defences are seemingly poorer but has the art of defending changed because of our inability to adapt to so called 'new' regulations on fouling?

I remember watching footy on the box from my pre open aged playing days and all the British commentators would moan at the continental teams being divers because the foreign refs used to 'fall' for their tricks. I am a big believer in that our refs did not interpret the laws correctly by not awarding free kicks. Now that our refs have adopted the 'correct' interpretation of the laws on fouls (laws haven't changed by the way) our defenders must learn to adapt to the way a ref has. It appears it is a British trait with our coaching.

If you get the chance to watch the 1974 world cup final, when Jack Taylor reffed it - look at all the fouls that he let go compared to the other games in that tourney which the other refs blew for fouls.
 
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I think the biggest difference over the past few years is the teams that used to roll over have mostly decided to have a go at the top teams and have lost their fear. I put that down to Blackpool.
 
also, we are developing prem league teams that just 'learn' to play against each other. They adapt their game to suit the opposing team for that particular week and build a team accordingly. That's why Chelsea won the CL by playing like they would never ever play in a prem league game.. ie. 10 men behind the ball, last gasp tackles etc.. but it is was what they had to do. United have never done that and so wouldn't be able to win the way chelsea did. To be fair, we beat Munich with a last gasp ricochet/toe poke/whatever you want to call it.. not structured play. Prem teams still have a long way to go with regards ball retention, composure on the ball in defence and shutting out a game with 10 minutes to go - all standard practice in higher end european teams.
 
The23rdman said:
I think the biggest difference over the past few years is the teams that used to roll over have mostly decided to have a go at the top teams and have lost their fear. I put that down to Blackpool.
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Good point Swansea too
 
I thought Southampton played very well against United and same when they beat City.

Their passing was sublime.
 
Most teams nowadays are comfortable on the ball and the passing game is
played top and bottom:) as soon as big Sam bites the bullet the whole league will at least be attempting to play attractive football
 
Jjm said:
Most teams nowadays are comfortable on the ball and the passing game is
played top and bottom:) as soon as big Sam bites the bullet the whole league will at least be attempting to play attractive football
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I don't know, there's a few besides big Sam. Stoke and Sunderland certainly make no attempt to make the football they play attractive. You could add a few others into the mix too, depending what you consider 'attractive' football.
 
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Good point Swansea too
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Yes, but Blackpool put the marker down and proved a team could attack and show the big boys up. Swansea just refined that and proved ball a team can't hurt you as much if they don't have the ball and you're organised.

Leigh, your point is valid too.
 
Jjm said:
Most teams nowadays are comfortable on the ball and the passing game is
played top and bottom:) as soon as big Sam bites the bullet the whole league will at least be attempting to play attractive football
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Stoke?
 
fracster said:
I think the CL is a good measure of where the prem league really is and how good it is.
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I think it's an indicator but being a cup competition it's not really a true measure.

The only way to compare would be to have a league but that's a whole different topic of discussion.

As for United now compared to United of a few years ago - some of Ferguson's strongest sides were shackled in the Champions League due to the restriction on non English players.
 
tippy tappy football is rubbish to watch though. Who can remember watching Italian football on C4 when we first got the rights to watch it. Incredibly boring when both teams hold possession so easily.

We need teams that are a tad different for entertainment.
 
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