The Football Thread - Season 2012/2013

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dinners said:
I did notice that you got that covered. :lol:

If I suggested for one min the title was over I'd be an arrogant United fan.
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not this season phil.

Man united are scores ahead in performances. This season it is simply fact. Man City are a shadow of the team they were last season
 
There's suspicion of a CL match played in England having been fixed. Details of which match haven't been released.

Personally, I'm surprised it isn't something we see more of with so much to be gained from winning.
 
It's only being investigated along with about 400 or so isn't it ?

Liverpool 8-0 against Besiktas and the strange Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona game in 2009 are two that have been mentioned (with no sound reasoning) in the past.

Hopefully it will involve United though and explain our Champions League performances last season LOL
 
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dinners said:
It's only being investigated along with about 400 or so isn't it ?

Liverpool 8-0 against Besiktas and the strange Chelsea 1-1 Barcelona game in 2009 are two that have been mentioned (with no sound reasoning) in the past.

Hopefully it will involve United though and explain our Champions League performances last season LOL
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I think the figure was 380 European matches since 2009 are under investigation.
 
Horrible tackle but why expect anything less from Stoke? A manager who encourages that type of behaviour and a bunch of no mark scumbag players who will happily follow.

That team is a mouldy carbuncle on the British game.

:)
 
Theo Walcott just been on tv saying we don't want to be associated with cheating...

Hum, arsenal players fall over as soon as they get near the 18 yard area :)

Got to say though, like the look of their new defensive signing.
 
Byker28i said:
Theo Walcott just been on tv saying we don't want to be associated with cheating...

Hum, arsenal players fall over as soon as they get near the 18 yard area :)

Got to say though, like the look of their new defensive signing.
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:lol: Arsenal have one of the best diving records of any team in the league. There was outrage when Cazorla dived a few months back because it's the first time in 18 months anyone has had that particular axe to grind with Arsenal.
 
Byker28i said:
Theo Walcott just been on tv saying we don't want to be associated with cheating...

Hum, arsenal players fall over as soon as they get near the 18 yard area :)
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Is that a fact or something you've just made up?
 
dinners said:
Some interesting reading in The Guardian regarding the motives behind Europol's match-fixing allegations.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/feb/04/europol-match-fixing-football
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Interesting. The main part that confuses me is the €2m total of alleged payments for this. It seems like a shockingly small amount considering the sheer volume of money in football. Those involved in the sport are not exactly poor people, so I'd assume it would take rather more money than your average joe to have whoever agree to throw a result for someone else to profit betting on it.

Offer me €2m and there's a lot of bad things I could be tempted into doing. If I was on a salary of tens of thousands a week then I suspect the risk v reward would look rather different and it would take a lot more to buy my morals.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Interesting. The main part that confuses me is the €2m total of alleged payments for this. It seems like a shockingly small amount considering the sheer volume of money in football.
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From what I've read on the topic in the past prior to this - most allegations have revolved around the lower paid and the less high profile. Even then it's been about just ensuring teams that would have almost certainly lost - do in fact loose. That's the whole 'low risk' thing they're talking about. No eyebrows raised and not much chance of it going belly up even if individuals don't oblige.

Even if the odds are small - you can make a lot of money if you're safe to lay down a lot of money on a dead cert.

Take a one sided 10/1 game.

You might have to lay down £100 to win £10 if you back the better team so why bother.

If you could bung the ref and the lower team £1000 to ensure the almost inevitable result actually happens then you can stick £100,000 down to win £10,000

Do that in 10 games and there's £100,000 in your pocket for £10,000 in bribes and if the odd game backfires - you're still quids in with the other 8 or 9.

Act as the middle man for 3rd party inverstors and the whole thing just snowballs exponentially.
 
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The Greek said:
Is that a fact or something you've just made up?
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Which bit?
Theo was on tv last night saying that.

Arsenal had a shocking start to the season (this year, last year) and suddenly their players would get close to the 18 yard area and invite the foul or fall over very easily. Obviously a tactic and a very clever one which resulted in them turning around games. Football being a confidence thing, they were then off and flying.

Trouble is, it's now become another common tactic used by all teams. How many times do you see a player run into a dead end and deliberately fall over easily for the foul.
 
dinners said:
From what I've read on the topic in the past prior to this - most allegations have revolved around the lower paid and the less high profile. Even then it's been about just ensuring teams that would have almost certainly lost - do in fact loose. That's the whole 'low risk' thing they're talking about. No eyebrows raised and not much chance of it going belly up even if individuals don't oblige.

Even if the odds are small - you can make a lot of money if you're safe to lay down a lot of money on a dead cert.

Take a one sided 10/1 game.

You might have to lay down £100 to win £10 if you back the better team so why bother.

If you could bung the ref and the lower team £1000 to ensure the almost inevitable result actually happens then you can stick £100,000 down to win £10,000

Do that in 10 games and there's £100,000 in your pocket for £10,000 in bribes and if the odd game backfires - you're still quids in with the other 8 or 9.

Act as the middle man for 3rd party inverstors and the whole thing just snowballs exponentially.
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Whatever you do - don't go into business with this method.

Your maths is totally flawed. As soon as you lose one game you are down. Not quids in at all. You just lost £100,000 on that game plus the £10,000 worth of bribes over the course of the ten games so if the other 9 games come in then you have only £80,000 in your pocket when you started with £100,000. So your net result is a loss of £20,000.

If you only get 8 of the ten? You lose another £100,000 and you've only made £70,000. Your net result is that you are £130,000 down from where you started before you placed a single bet.

You need all 10 games to come in.
 
I think you find that most of the bets will be around 'spot fixing' rather than results.

The betting market in the UK changed as a result of some dodgy hammers players and throw-ins and minutes on the clock.

The betting indexes are run like a global asset management company now......in the City with red braced brokers!

Betting 'In-Play' has changed sport.
 
Byker28i said:
Which bit?
Theo was on tv last night saying that.

Arsenal had a shocking start to the season (this year, last year) and suddenly their players would get close to the 18 yard area and invite the foul or fall over very easily. Obviously a tactic and a very clever one which resulted in them turning around games. Football being a confidence thing, they were then off and flying.

Trouble is, it's now become another common tactic used by all teams. How many times do you see a player run into a dead end and deliberately fall over easily for the foul.
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Are we even watching the same sport? How was 2 draws against the two most defensive teams in the league a shocking start to the season? Everyone was hailing Steve Bould's influence as a defensive revolution at that time. As far the diving, show me 1 incident inside the 18 yard box except that isn't the now infamous Cazorla dive - infamous because it's the single dive in the box by an Arsenal player for well over a season.

Sorry, but you're horribly misinformed.
 
TriggerHappy said:
As far the diving, show me 1 incident inside the 18 yard box except that isn't the now infamous Cazorla dive - infamous because it's the single dive in the box by an Arsenal player for well over a season.
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this one is only a few metres outside the box and supports what biker was saying - "and suddenly their players would get close to the 18 yard area"

[YOUTUBE]Uj46YRYLnK8[/YOUTUBE]

and its hard to tell where this one is due to the zoom

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joescrivens said:
this one is only a few metres outside the box and supports what biker was saying - "and suddenly their players would get close to the 18 yard area"

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj46YRYLnK8">YouTube Link</a>

and its hard to tell where this one is due to the zoom

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6T1uFc_0GQ">YouTube Link</a>
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Neither of which were awarded.

If I'm right in thinking Byker is a Chelsea fan then they have a far worse diving record than all bit 2 other teams. Ramires against Arsenal for a penalty? Dive. Ivanovic and Oscar against Stoke? Dive. And that's without google helping me out.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Neither of which were awarded.

If I'm right in thinking Byker is a Chelsea fan then they have a far worse diving record than all bit 2 other teams. Ramires against Arsenal for a penalty? Dive. Ivanovic and Oscar against Stoke? Dive. And that's without google helping me out.
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I don't disagree with you.

But you asked to see dives - not ones that were dives awarded as penalties :shrug:

I dont think arsenal are a diving team though either
 
joescrivens said:
I don't disagree with you.

But you asked to see dives - not ones that were dives awarded as penalties :shrug:

I dont think arsenal are a diving team though either
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One of the differences I notice is how Arsenal fans react to dives. I'd forgotten of Giroud against Stoke but remember now my twitter erupting with disapproval at the time. We hate to see our own players do it and I'm actually happy to see us get booked if they do try it on.

Some other teams' fans seem to have a much more relaxed attitude towards their own players taking a tumble.
 
TriggerHappy said:
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One of the differences I notice is how Arsenal fans react to dives. I'd forgotten of Giroud against Stoke but remember now my twitter erupting with disapproval at the time. We hate to see our own players do it and I'm actually happy to see us get booked if they do try it on.

Some other teams' fans seem to have a much more relaxed attitude towards their own players aka Mr Tumble.
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I wondered what Justin did on the weekend.
 
TriggerHappy said:
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One of the differences I notice is how Arsenal fans react to dives. I'd forgotten of Giroud against Stoke but remember now my twitter erupting with disapproval at the time. We hate to see our own players do it and I'm actually happy to see us get booked if they do try it on.

Some other teams' fans seem to have a much more relaxed attitude towards their own players taking a tumble.
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it was against liverpool the giroud one i posted up, was that the one you meant?
 
joescrivens said:
Whatever you do - don't go into business with this method.
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Aye - the numbers I used don't work but don't get hung up on that - it was more about how the syndicate dead cert betting was explained on TV.
 
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Spuff said:
And where is Liverpool's PR - basic things like lets keep "Liverpool" and Match Fixing" out of the same sentence :shrug:
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what do they need PR to do?

They havent been implicated in the fixing so they dont need to do anything
 
What Liverpool should be most worried about is that even when the opposition goalkeeper was bribed to let in three goals, they still only managed to score one :D
 
Stratman said:
What Liverpool should be most worried about is that even when the opposition goalkeeper was bribed to let in three goals, they still only managed to score one :D
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not neccessairly. if the 4 defenders werent part of the bribe then liverpool may not have been able to challenege the goalkeeper too much
 
joescrivens said:
not neccessairly. if the 4 defenders werent part of the bribe then liverpool may not have been able to challenege the goalkeeper too much
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come on Joe, lighten up. It was only a joke :shake:
 
Stratman said:
What Liverpool should be most worried about is that even when the opposition goalkeeper was bribed to let in three goals, they still only managed to score one :D
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Yeah, it is funny but remember not to upset anyone! Maybe you should stick to FACHTS instead!
 
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