The Football Thread - Season 2012/2013

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akr said:
Surely he would have been dealt out internally at the time of the dive! Bet Rodgers wants to kill Suarez for that interview - but his response is bizarre.

Press ban for Suarez!
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Rodgers defended him in the weeks following it but now he's admitted what everybody else knew was "unacceptable"

If you're going to cheat at least keep it up rather than coming clean or perhaps go with the old "misquoted / out of context" method. Liverpool have had a few problems of late getting their story straight.

Liverpool and Suarez = the gift that just keeps on giving ;)
 
dinners said:
Rodgers defended him in the weeks following it but now he's admitted what everybody else knew was "unacceptable"

If you're going to cheat at least keep it up rather than coming clean or perhaps go with the old "misquoted / out of context" method. Liverpool have had a few problems of late getting their story straight.

Liverpool and Suarez = the gift that just keeps on giving ;)
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You are hilarious.

A few days ago you were on your high horse saying Suarez should have told the ref about the goal when it hit his hand. But now you are saying he should have kept schtum about this.

It's so amusing to hear everyone bitch and moan about him. Whatever shoe fits eh?
 
joescrivens said:
You are hilarious.

A few days ago you were on your high horse saying Suarez should have told the ref about the goal when it hit his hand. But now you are saying he should have kept schtum about this.
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At the time of the handball goal I still maintain it would have been nice to see him not celebrate or at least be humble given the opposition.

That's quite different to this Argentinian Interview. That's when he should have kept his mouth shut.

joescrivens said:
It's so amusing to hear everyone bitch and moan about him. Whatever shoe fits eh?
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Quite the opposite Joe

We're laughing at him - not bitching or moaning.
 
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joescrivens said:
It's so amusing to hear everyone bitch and moan about him. Whatever shoe fits eh?
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Some Liverpool fans defend Liverpool and Suarez no matter what they do - I must congratulate you however on remaining so unbiased in your views. So many Liverpool fans get defensive about even the small perceived digs at their club but you manage to rise above it - I salute you!

;)
 
akr said:
Some Liverpool fans defend Liverpool and Suarez no matter what they do - I must congratulate you however on remaining so unbiased in your views. So many Liverpool fans get defensive about even the small perceived digs at their club but you manage to rise above it - I salute you!

;)
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what's to defend?

Its just the same old bitching and moaning from the other fans as always. no difference there
 
joescrivens said:
what's to defend?

Its just the same old bitching and moaning from the other fans as always. no difference there
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Or when you moan about SAF or Rooney etc............ but you rise to the bait every time like a greedy perch.
 
tiler65 said:
Or when you moan about SAF or Rooney etc............ but you rise to the bait every time like a greedy perch.
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:thumbs:

although whiskeynose makes it so easy with his nonsense ramblings about people getting killed by footballs. It has to be done to try and balance out all the guff spouted around here about suarez
 
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Nigel Adkins has been fired from the Saints despite only 2 losses in his last 12 games. Football is a bizarre world.

Pochettino takes his place.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Nigel Adkins has been fired from the Saints despite only 2 losses in his last 12 games. Football is a bizarre world.

Pochettino takes his place.
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Very strange, guess they decided at the start of the season when they had a terrible start and waiting for who they thought was the right candidate, who knows, but the timing is bizarre. Guess he has some time to sign some new players but not much. Very odd.

Big big risk to take, bet most other teams at the bottom are happy. I am.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Nigel Adkins has been fired from the Saints despite only 2 losses in his last 12 games. Football is a bizarre world.

Pochettino takes his place.
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What a stupid decison, I really do hope they go down now, to teach the owner a lesson. Adkins was doing very well, and they are on a great run.
 
On a more positive note, talk of the town is that Theo has signed a 3 1/2 year deal. Obviously it's a shorter contract than is typical so he clearly isn't fully committed, but in so doing it gives us the opportunity to at least sell him for what he's worth rather than lose him on a free or for him to make a long term commitment in the next 2 years.
 
And now it's been officially confirmed by Arsenal. Excellent news! I'm delighted to have tied down a 6 man British core to the side. That's massive!
 
Well, first off - it remains to be seen that he's worth the £100,000 a week he will be paid. Especially when you compare his performances to that of Whilshere the past couple of games. There's a guy who earns his bread.

Also, it'll only be 18 months time and his contract will be in discussion again...

Cavani for £30m has been murmured - not sure how much truth in that, but would be one hell of a signing for you guys.
 
PMK said:
Well, first off - it remains to be seen that he's worth the £100,000 a week he will be paid. Especially when you compare his performances to that of Whilshere the past couple of games. There's a guy who earns his bread.

Also, it'll only be 18 months time and his contract will be in discussion again...

Cavani for £30m has been murmured - not sure how much truth in that, but would be one hell of a signing for you guys.
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His contract stands to rise to 100k based on certain conditions, he's not instantly on that. Sadly that's the way football has gone. He could have easily got that wage and more elsewhere, but losing him would have been a greater loss than just the talent. In my opinion it was exactly the right thing to do to pay up and secure his signature. Hopefully other signings and our future performances will convince him to sign longer term.

Cavani for £30m isn't plausible in my opinion. I do believe we made a £30m bid for someone but there's no way that's a realistic bid for Cavani when Madrid were said to have turned down £45m not that long ago.
 
Yeah my bad for treating Twitter as a potentially reliable news source.

Yes, but if he'd gone elsewhere he wouldn't have been signed as a central striker - a position he so desperately feels he is capable of - which again remains to be proven. Agreed, that is the way football is going, but Arsenal are a club who tried and mostly achieved the philosophy of not paying over the odds on wages. Obviously a few exceptions spring to mind.

I wonder if 'with deadball situations, I, Theo, must take them all' is in his contract?
 
Seems like it's a kind of semi commitment from Walcott and opinion seems sowewhat divided between the few Gooners I know about the value.

Still - it's a statement from Arsenal in terms of keeping a player who could have left. That said - unlike some of the previous recent leavers - he didn't seem as hell bent on leaving the club but that could be in part due to which teams were after those players and which teams were supposedly interested in Walcott.
 
Arsenal fans will do what Arsenal fans do. Those 'fans' that are complaining about his salary would be the same 'fans' who'd scream had he been allowed to leave for nothing. There's no pleasing some folk.

With Walcott dealt with first let's hope Wenger moves on to adding a few new faces as he said he would.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Arsenal fans will do what Arsenal fans do. Those 'fans' that are complaining about his salary would be the same 'fans' who'd scream had he been allowed to leave for nothing. There's no pleasing some folk.
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yep - for Wenger it was a case of 'Damned if I do and Damned if I don't'.
 
I assume you've been following the press conferences this transfer window?!

As usual, Arsene is contradicting himself, back tracking and confusing all Arsenal fans.

If you guys do business, good work. But one day he's say he's looking to strengthen the squad in all areas and then two days later saying he's waiting on players to come back from injury and the need to finalise the Walcott deal.

I guess it's best to wait and see what happens on Jan 31st, if anything at all.
 
PMK said:
Well, first off - it remains to be seen that he's worth the £100,000 a week he will be paid. Especially when you compare his performances to that of Whilshere the past couple of games. There's a guy who earns his bread.

Also, it'll only be 18 months time and his contract will be in discussion again...

Cavani for £30m has been murmured - not sure how much truth in that, but would be one hell of a signing for you guys.
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If the likes of gervinho and denilson and chamak are worth 50k then Walcott most certainly is worth 100k.
 
cambsno said:
What a stupid decison, I really do hope they go down now, to teach the owner a lesson. Adkins was doing very well, and they are on a great run.
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Totally agree. I felt the same when they got rid of Pardew. :bonk:

Some of the sackings recently make you think that many club owners/directors live in a world where reasonable success, or at least stability seems to be not enough. And when they have got to a level they haven't been at for many years, and what got them there was, to a large degree, because of the stability, they throw that out the window. :bonk:

TriggerHappy said:
He could have easily got that wage and more elsewhere, but losing him would have been a greater loss than just the talent.
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I didn't see a big queue knocking on the door for him. :shrug: Arsenal is the best place for him, he can seemingly flit in and out of form and get richly rewarded. But then there are many 'good' players earning huge amounts of money, for not doing very much. :thinking: Liverpool have had many over recent years. :shake: :lol:

The same thing goes for managers too. In fact it's even worse with managers, because they can get sacked repeatedly, where players get moved on (hopefully) for failing.
 
TriggerHappy said:
He could have easily got that wage and more elsewhere
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As redhead says - there wasn't that much interest in Walcott and by that I mean there wasn't interest from the clubs that have recently taken Arsenal players and given them a higher wage.

Liverpool were interested by all accounts and might have paid him somewhere in the same region (I think Downing might be £100K +) but I doub't he'd go there if he can earn the same at Arsenal and have the whole thing come to the fore again in a couple of years.
 
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dinners said:
As redhead says - there wasn't that much interest in Walcott and by that I mean there wasn't interest from the clubs that have recently taken Arsenal players and given them a higher wage.

Liverpool were interested by all accounts and might have paid him somewhere in the same region (I think Downing might be £100K +) but I doub't he'd go there if he can earn the same at Arsenal and have the whole thing come to the fore again in a couple of years.
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There wasn't much interest at this stage because he still had 3 months to go before an English club could approach him. United for a while seemed most keen and was who I was most concerned that we'd lose him to, in part because of his friendship with RVP. Liverpool and Chelsea certainly showed interest as well but like I say, with 3 months still to go there wasn't much they could do besides wait.

I don't think Theo had a particular desire to leave Arsenal. What he wanted was to play down the middle and - perhaps more influentially - more money.

I'm excited for what the signing of a 6-man British core spells for the future. For the last few seasons we've had a lot of players come and go and with that I think perhaps some of the Arsenal culture has left with them. Now there's a consistent foundation hopefully there can be a little more grit in our performances, and it'll prevent that feeling that every season starts with a team unfamiliar with how each other plays.
 
TriggerHappy said:
There wasn't much interest at this stage because he still had 3 months to go before an English club could approach him.......like I say, with 3 months still to go there wasn't much they could do besides wait.
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Clubs don't 'wait' if they're hell bent on getting a player just because there's a few months contract left.

Call it 'tapping up' but it happens - Interested clubs make sure targets know exactly the kind of offer that's on the table and you can be sure that players agents go out of their way to see what interested clubs are prepared to offer. That's why we've seen clubs 'resigned' to loosing players long before contracts are up.

Walcott's people would have known fine well what the options were before he signed a new contract.
 
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dinners said:
Clubs don't 'wait' if they're hell bent on getting a player just because there's a few months contract left.

Call it 'tapping up' but it happens - Interested clubs make sure targets know exactly the kind of offer that's on the table and you can be sure that players agents go out of their way to see what interested clubs are prepared to offer. That's why we've seen clubs 'resigned' to loosing players long before contracts are up. I suspect Walcott's people would have known exactly what was on offer from who but signing for Arsenal was the preference.
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Which is precisely why it took 100k + a fat signing on fee and not 85k offered earlier. Neither of those 3 teams could realistically offer him a striking role anyway.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Which is precisely why it took 100k + a fat signing on fee and not 85k offered earlier. Neither of those 3 teams could realistically offer him a striking role anyway.
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Typical Arsenal - inflating the market ;)
 
TriggerHappy said:
perhaps more influentially - more money.
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I can think this being the only reason, which is why it's taken 18 months to resolve and constant negotiations over salary. He turned down £75k a week, he turned down £85k a week and he's dug his heels and got what he wanted all along... Thanks to his agents.

This is football. And I agree, I don't think he really wanted to leave Arsenal either. Let's hope he proves his worth.
 
I'm struggling to imagine what he can do with £100k PER WEEK that he'd struggle to do with a mere £85k PER WEEK.
 
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