The Football Thread - Season 2012/2013

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dinners said:
.........:suspect:

Hope he can get me a few points tomorrow.

I stuck him up front when he was on fire but I think I cursed him as he's only got one goal since mid Nov.
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I hope so!

Be interesting to see him live tomorrow - last year he flattered to deceive, great movement, great touch, great everything but terrible finishing, think he missed at least one on one which ultimately cost Liverpool the game :) Seems to have found his shooting boots this season though - he should murder our central defence, especially if Anton Ferdinand is playing.

And Raheem Sterling returns to the club that taught him all he knows, before he was stolen from us!
 
Bale gets another yellow for diving? No surprise there! But whilst we're on the topic, and following the outrage Cazorla's dive caused, credit has to go to Walcott for getting back up to score a great hatrick!
 
The Greek said:
That was his last game for Arsenal. Spurs, City, Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, QPR, and
Bournemouth are more than happy to meet Theos wage demand of 90k per week.

We lost Ashly Cole for 5k a week, sadly, this is heading in the direction.
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Was speaking to an Arsenal fan in the pub last night. He thinks it mainly started going wrong when Dein left. His view was that when Wenger and Dein were together, Wenger would say get this player for X amount, pay him X amount, and Dein would go and negotiate - and Dein would sometimes pay more in either wages or transfer fee, and just tell Wenger yo unow have the player, whilst the current board will stick to that precise limit and not go over it, resulting in what you have now.

Personally I think you had a chance to win the League a few seasons ago but Wenger or the board decided not to sign a top quality central defender and midfielder, and now unfortunately for you you're in this spiral of the best players constantly leaving.

I still think Walcot will might stay, I can't believe he would go to Liverpool, he will want Champions League football. Could see Man Utd signing him, now that would be scary for everyone else.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Bale gets another yellow for diving? No surprise there! But whilst we're on the topic, and following the outrage Cazorla's dive caused, credit has to go to Walcott for getting back up to score a great hatrick!
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To be fair it was a penalty and not a dive - some really poor refereeing today. I
 
Keebsuk said:
As per the title and my apologies if this has already been covered, having watched Match Of The Day today I am sick and tired of the "on field theatrics" in today's game.
It seems that today's players are using feigned fouls to gain an advantage. Modern referees should, IMHO, penalise these offenders and be far more consistent with their decisions.
Lets get back to the days when defenders could actually make tackles in the box.
What are your thoughts?

Andy
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Been discussed in this thread before - its really hard for refs during the game to judge - retrospective action is the best chance of stopping or punishing this as you do for other types of serious incidents not seen by the referees.
 
Keebsuk said:
As per the title and my apologies if this has already been covered, having watched Match Of The Day today I am sick and tired of the "on field theatrics" in today's game.
It seems that today's players are using feigned fouls to gain an advantage. Modern referees should, IMHO, penalise these offenders and be far more consistent with their decisions.
Lets get back to the days when defenders could actually make tackles in the box.
What are your thoughts?

Andy
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Agree its an issue, but its impossible to see things in real time and get things right in regards to diving. IMO the ref should ignore all diving, but 4th official should make notes, and review on video. If the FA think there was a dive, bang, 6 game ban. Do it again, 10 game ban.
 
akr said:
To be fair it was a penalty and not a dive - some really poor refereeing today. I
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It was a dive. I hate this notion that it's fine to throw yourself to the ground if there's some contact - no matter how slight - but suddenly unacceptable to do so with no contact. It's ridiculous. If there isn't enough force in the tackle to take you off your feet but you still end up on the ground then it's a dive plain and simple. Obviously it can be difficult to judge what is and isn't enough for someone to go down/stay on their feet but so often on MOTD in particular a dive is condoned because there was glancing contact.

The topic of Dein is a hugely interesting one. I have always been a huge fan of what he did for the club and have said so previously here. What's unclear is how much freedom he'd have been able to have with the budget following the essential move to the emirates. It was always known that such a massively expensive transition would restrict us financially for almost a decade, which wasn't the case whilst we still had Dein and played at Highbury.

There's a football magazine called The Blizzard, which is absolutely excellent if you haven't heard of it. It's none of the speculation and gossip, but much more of an academic style of writing that cites facts and figures and takes a far more analytical approach to football. It's available both in print and as an electronic version and you can pay what you like for it. Anyway, in the latest issue there's a fantastic analysis of how Arsenal have performed relative to their statistical chances of winning trophies each season. I don't have it in front of me to provide a decent summary, but if you have a spare penny (or a little more) then I thoroughly recommend you download it and have a read. The other articles are very insightful as well.
 
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It was a dive. I hate this notion that it's fine to throw yourself to the ground if there's some contact - no matter how slight - but suddenly unacceptable to do so with no contact. It's ridiculous. If there isn't enough force in the tackle to take you off your feet but you still end up on the ground then it's a dive plain and simple. Obviously it can be difficult to judge what is and isn't enough for someone to go down/stay on their feet but so often on MOTD in particular a dive is condoned because there was glancing contact.

The topic of Dein is a hugely interesting one. I have always been a huge fan of what he did for the club and have said so previously here. What's unclear is how much freedom he'd have been able to have with the budget following the essential move to the emirates. It was always known that such a massively expensive transition would restrict us financially for almost a decade, which wasn't the case whilst we still had Dein and played at Highbury.

There's a football magazine called The Blizzard, which is absolutely excellent if you haven't heard of it. It's none of the speculation and gossip, but much more of an academic style of writing that cites facts and figures and takes a far more analytical approach to football. It's available both in print and as an electronic version and you can pay what you like for it. Anyway, in the latest issue there's a fantastic analysis of how Arsenal have performed relative to their statistical chances of winning trophies each season. I don't have it in front of me to provide a decent summary, but if you have a spare penny (or a little more) then I thoroughly recommend you download it and have a read. The other articles are very insightful as well.
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I agree re people going down too easily, and I hate to agree with MOTD 'experts' but he did he a contact right on the knee travelling at pace you are easily knocked off balance. Even at my slow maximum pace that happened to me! ;)

I guess we'll never know re Dein and I don't know enough re Arsenal to really comment properly, but you do get the feeling if he was there you might have signed the likes of Parker \ Cahill etc and not let as many contracts run down as far as they have.

Thanks - I'll look up The Blizzard :thumbs:
 
akr said:
I agree re people going down too easily, and I hate to agree with MOTD 'experts' but he did he a contact right on the knee travelling at pace you are easily knocked off balance.
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+1

i think bale is very capable of using 'contact' as a reason to hit the deck.. but in this instance it was enough to knock him off his stride. So easy to look back in slo-mo and say 'he could have stayed up', but i don't think people grasp just how quick that bloke can run and the effect a little nudge can have.
 
cambsno said:
No, because he didnt dive, got up (rather than roll around in agony) before slotting home!!

Great goal though.
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You are like a very sad and broken record - one who fails to keep up with current events.
 
I don't see that mattering much, it's down to the players to put their chances away. I just hope he doesn't have the norovirus!
 
From the Official Liverpool FC twitter:
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ILLNESS: Boss Brendan Rodgers will miss today's game at QPR having been diagnosed with gonorrhoea.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: This is one of the best autocorrects I've seen!
 
akr said:
Was speaking to an Arsenal fan in the pub last night. He thinks it mainly started going wrong when Dein left. His view was that when Wenger and Dein were together, Wenger would say get this player for X amount, pay him X amount, and Dein would go and negotiate - and Dein would sometimes pay more in either wages or transfer fee, and just tell Wenger yo unow have the player, whilst the current board will stick to that precise limit and not go over it, resulting in what you have now.

Personally I think you had a chance to win the League a few seasons ago but Wenger or the board decided not to sign a top quality central defender and midfielder, and now unfortunately for you you're in this spiral of the best players constantly leaving.

I still think Walcot will might stay, I can't believe he would go to Liverpool, he will want Champions League football. Could see Man Utd signing him, now that would be scary for everyone else.
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Your about right with David Dean.
My gut feeling is you could be right on Theo to UTD. After all, it was Theo that made most of RVP's goals and Ferguson is no ones fool.
 
Why are we paying Chelsea 12m for sturridge when they are buying demba ba for 7 mill.

We should have just bought demba ba for 7 mil.
 
I don't see theo wanting to go to united. He won't be able to play as a striker, he'll go back to the wing.
 
Glad to see Everton lose today. Hope Liverpool can beat qpr now to take advantage of it.
 
TriggerHappy said:
It was a dive. I hate this notion that it's fine to throw yourself to the ground if there's some contact - no matter how slight - but suddenly unacceptable to do so with no contact.
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Totally agree. :thumbs:

Bale's speed does not mean any glancing touch is enough to force him to the ground.

Sadly as younger players come into the media they spread their attitude of it is OK to go down if touched. :nono: And as it becomes more common, we will all have had players in the teams we support do it at some point, which leaves us in the position of being against it, but benefiting from it. :( I would rather nobody did it, but especially the players from my team. Some hope though. :bang:

I think players who get judged to have dived retrospectively should have cumulative bans up until an automatic 6 game ban for every infringement. Get caught once, one game ban. Get caught again, 2 game ban etc. It would at least hopefully cut down on repeat offenders.


As for Walcott, he's going through a good spell, but I don't think he's performed long enough at a high level to prove he's fulfilling his potential. Hopefully it has all 'clicked' for him. But this next few months could define his career depending on the choices he makes. :thinking:


Liverpool 3 up at half time. :D Still time to mess it up though. ;) :lol: Suarez is so far above everybody else, it's scary. :eek: In a good way. :lol:
 
Someone should make sure Brendan Rodgers has the squits every week - Luispool play a lot better without him :))
 
Excellent 3 goals and a clean sheet. On a day when everton lose at home. SMile on my face!
 
joescrivens said:
Why are we paying Chelsea 12m for sturridge when they are buying demba ba for 7 mill.

We should have just bought demba ba for 7 mil.
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Because Liverpool are the mugs of the transfer market. ;)

I think you need to look at the mahoosive agents fee for demba ba rather than the £7m figure.

Couple of FF goals from Suarez for me today - that's my equivalent of your United betting I guess.
 
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I want to know what Nuri Sahin is thinking at the moment. A reported total of £11m fee(5m)+all costs(?)+wages(6m) to get him to Anfield for the season and how much has he played? It's laughable really, especially in light of his comments that he turned down better deals to go somewhere he felt he'd play a lot. http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/aug/31/nuri-sahin-liverpool-brendan-rodgers

They don't even have an automatic right to buy come the summer, just first refusal at whatever price Madrid offer him at - if they choose to at all.
 
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cambsno said:
It was only qpr who look like a championship side at best.
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To be frank, that's an insult to the championship.

I've had to endure some 'performances' this season, but that 1st half was something else. A joke on all levels, and one of the most embarrassing 1st half displays I've seen, and I've seen a lot of bad 1st half displays :gag:

Liverpool played well 1st half, but boy did we make them look good. No marking, no positional sense, no desire, just ridiculous. You know when Onouha is MOM for you that you are in trouble.

To summise:

1. Inept defending that would embarrass a bottom of the league pub team. There is one real danger man, we all know who that is - you can a) double up on him, or b, leave him one on one with your slowest defender and generally unmarked at corners :bang:
2. Selecting two midfielders who cannot play together, leaving out Granero who is good enough for Real Madrid but not for us apparently, never mind Faurlin. I may be naive but I thought holding onto the ball was actually helpful occasionally. Also not leavign a massive gap through the middle of the pitch can be useful.
3. Certain players with a collective negative IQ level
4. Some fans sharig the same mental capabilities -highlighted when Tarrabt refused to move for Granero to take a freekick, and then booing when Derry told Tarrabt to get lost. The fact that Tarrabt is terrible from freekicks and Granero is generally quite good seems to escape these cave dwellers.
5. Our well rehearsed corner routine - Tarrabt plays it to Wright-Phillips outside the box who somehow lets it go through his legs for a Liverpool counter attack - still he managed to track back and accidentally kick it out for a corner. That set piece nearly rivalled our freekick near the edge of the box which we also decided to play short to no effect whatsoever.
6. The diving of Mbia - all eyes were on Suarez, but Mbia was by far the worst culprit - an utter embarrassment. At least Mackie gave him an earful and told him to get off his backside.

Looking forward to the rest of the season! Chelsea away next - can't wait!
 
The number of stationary QPR players when they need to be defending is frightening. They couldn't look more disinterested in putting in the work if they tried!

It was a clear deliberate handball inside the box by henderson from the Taraabt freekick that went unpunished though. I'll remember that for the next 'concrete' penalty Suarez is denied :lol:

Edit: and what's this I've read that Bosingwa is on 135k a week? If true that's simply moronic. He's not worth half that, and sadly the same is true for 75% of their team. I said before the season began the risk that QPR were running with their obtuse wage bill, and the danger of bringing in so many new faces who don't have the passion for the club and right now those concerns are being vindicated. You appear devoid of all willingness to fight for survival.
 
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TriggerHappy said:
Edit: and what's this I've read that Bosingwa is on 135k a week? If true that's simply moronic. He's not worth half that, and sadly the same is true for 75% of their team. I said before the season began the risk that QPR were running with their obtuse wage bill, and the danger of bringing in so many new faces who don't have the passion for the club and right now those concerns are being vindicated. You appear devoid of all willingness to fight for survival.
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He's meant to be on between £60-75k pw, 3 year contract I believe....and he's not alone :eek:

Up until today I still thought we could \ would stay up, but today drained the life out of me and most of the ground. I actually think relegation might be a good thing, would help clear out some players and we could rebuild properly. Hard to argue against your points. I've no idea what they showed on TV, but live it was was worse, watching what was happening off the ball was incredible.

Depressed of W12.
 
akr said:
HI actually think relegation might be a good thing, would help clear out some players and we could rebuild properly.
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Don't want to depress you anymore, but what makes you think the players will just leave those fat contracts. :shrug:

And they are playing so badly, who would want to buy any of them?

They don't seem to want to extend their Premier League careers, will they suddenly get the fight back in the Championship? :shrug: I doubt it.

Unless Redknapp can get some sort of spirit and fight into that team, the future looks very bleak imho.


As a Liverpool fan I know how it hard it can be to shift out the rubbish when mistakes have been made in the transfer market, and the players didn't work out, and overpaid those mistakes. :( Apparently Joe Cole wants £3m+ to leave. :eek: We can't even give him away. :bonk: :lol:
 
dinners said:
Because Liverpool are the mugs of the transfer market. ;)

I think you need to look at the mahoosive agents fee for demba ba rather than the £7m figure.

Couple of FF goals from Suarez for me today - that's my equivalent of your United betting I guess.
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This is always the case along with wages. It is the reason we become se exasperated by people calling us big spenders. Yes, we pay some largish transfer fees, but we don't pay exorbitant wages.
 
The23rdman said:
This is always the case along with wages. It is the reason we become se exasperated by people calling us big spenders. Yes, we pay some largish transfer fees, but we don't pay exorbitant wages.
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Certainly below Chelsea, City and United based on the 2011 figures

Chelsea - Wage £189.5m - Income £223.1m - Net Transfer Spend £60.6m
Man City - Wage £174m - Income £153.2m - Net Transfer Spend £143.7m
Man Utd - Wage £149.9m - Income £331.9m - Net Transfer Spend £11.4m
Liverpool - Wage £134.8m - Income £183.7m - Net Transfer Spend £40.4m
Arsenal - Wage £124.4m - Income £255.7m - Net Transfer Spend £1.5m
Tottenham - Wage £91.1m - Income £163.5m - Net Transfer Spend £26.3m
Aston Villa - Wage £83.4m - Income £92m - Net Transfer Spend £18.3m
Sunderland - Wage £60.9m - Income £79.4m - Net Transfer Spend £13.6m
Everton - Wage £58m - Income £82m - Net Transfer Spend £6.6m
Fulham - Wage £57.7m - Income £77.1m - Net Transfer Spend £4.3m

Just found a newer one....

http://www.sportskeeda.com/2012/05/24/chart-showing-turnover-vs-wage-bill-in-the-premier-league/

Pretty scary when you think Arsenal, Blackpool and United are the only clubs with wages less than 50% of turnover.
 
Nuts, isn't it? The 12-13 figures will be even better for LFC as that was part of Buck's remit.
 
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