The Football Thread - Season 2012/2013

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So we are now tied with Swindon for most games without victory at the start of a premier league season - one more game for the outright record. It will be hard, but I think we can do it!

We were unlucky today however, and it's been a long time since I've said that. Villa looked poor I thought, Benteke looked good though. If they stay up be interesting to see how they do next year, they did look inexperienced at times, but they can only get better and no doubt would with a bit more experience in there.
 
fabs said:
Why, because of the Spurs connection?
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The spurs connection certainly doesn't help him, but I've never rated him as a manager. He's useless at responsibly managing finances, he's tactically one dimensional, and he's a terrible scout for talent. It makes me laugh every time he's on match of the day and they're discussing a great talent he throws in that he's had scouts watching them for a long time.

This article is a good summary of my feelings: http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/west...knapp-is-english-footballs-wrecking-ball.html

Plus the thought of having to listen to him do press conferences for my club sends chills down my spine. It's bad enough when it's for another club and not the one I love! I don't particularly like Wenger's press style but it's a joy compared to Harry!

akr said:
With the budget you have for sales and salaries, I can't imagine anyone doing better than Wenger. He's made some strange decisions certainly over the years, but I believe the real problem is the likes of Man City, Chelsea etc with bottom-less funds. I actually think Wenger is over achieving, it's just the expectations of the fans has not been reduced in this new world.

I firmly believe once Wenger goes you will be worse off for it. I accept I don't watch Arsenal as much as you and Cambsno however.

Can't see Guardiola coming to you, with all due respect, Moyes might but he'd get more slated than Wenger I imagine!
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That's precisely my point. Wenger is far from perfect but that alternatives represent an altogether more risky alternative.

If we could trim some of the dead weight and use the free wage bill to add genuine, useful depth to the squad, and restore the self-belief we saw after Henry's return last season we'd be in a one position. Right now the confidence is so low that the fear of making a mistake is the very thing that's causing the mistakes, hesitancy, and lack of creativity. All that isn't helped by the hounding the players get by their own supporters just 5 minutes in to every game. If you have a problem with the management/ownership of the club then participate in the marches against it like there was today before the game. Don't give the players endless abuse and then somehow expect them to look suddenly happy, confident and invigorated. It's no wonder several players are reluctant to sign new deals when they could be appreciated more and in turn enjoy their football more elsewhere!
 
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As I see it there's only two options that I'd welcome seeing at Arsenal and are at all likely.

1. Moyes, but you can forget the beautiful game with him and he represents a risk
2. Guardiola, would give the fans the style of football we want, but is unlikely to be obtainable by our terrible board and also represents a risk with his success coming at arguably the greatest team ever

Anyone else would just be recycling the discard from other clubs and that's not the way forward. It's a very strange thing to see managers bounce from one club to the next, developing a profile of rejection and failure on their way. If they fail in several other clubs, what makes people think this time things will be different?!
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A lot of this season has been pretty poor and turgid, Everton don't play that badly. Appreciate we can't compete with city and Chelsea despite what wenger says but we seem to have dropped to competing with the likes of Swansea.

The decisions wenger makes on and off the pitch are baffling. Up till rafa it was the two mancs and Chelsea for 1-3 with any number if teams fighting for 4th. Even with rafa do u really think CL is likely next season.

As for the discard from other clubs... Aside from fergie and pep, pretty much every manager has been sacked at some point. Any new appointment is a gamble but doing nothing is not an option.
 
i started a long winded post in appreciation of the srsenal fans who obviously love their team and the juxtoposition of the souless liverpool 'fans' concentrating on one player and personal financial gains, lol!

i cant go into this, but you gooners have so much more respect than 'liverpudlians'
support? maybe not .... but look at the support hitller had!

banter :nuts:
 
new2me said:
i started a long winded post in appreciation of the srsenal fans who obviously love their team and the juxtoposition of the souless liverpool 'fans' concentrating on one player and personal financial gains, lol!

i cant go into this, but you gooners have so much more respect than 'liverpudlians'
support? maybe not .... but look at the support hitller had!

banter :nuts:
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Seriously, I've read some nonsense before.
 
new2me said:
i started a long winded post in appreciation of the srsenal fans who obviously love their team and the juxtoposition of the souless liverpool 'fans' concentrating on one player and personal financial gains, lol!

i cant go into this, but you gooners have so much more respect than 'liverpudlians'
support? maybe not .... but look at the support hitller had!

banter :nuts:
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I've heard that hitler was a man united fan. I mean he fits the bill. He's not from manchester, he's never been to old Trafford and he knows nothing about football, but he does have a beckham shirt. :D

It's ironic to hear a Man U fan talk about soulless support from fans.
 
Arsenal chairman, Peter Hill-Wood, is said to be recovering from a heart attack following a bout of pneumonia. I might not like what the man has done to Arsenal but nobody deserves that. Best wishes to him for his recovery.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Arsenal chairman, Peter Hill-Wood, is said to be recovering from a heart attack following a bout of pneumonia. I might not like what the man has done to Arsenal but nobody deserves that. Best wishes to him for his recovery.
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Agreed.
 
new2me said:
i started a long winded post in appreciation of the srsenal fans who obviously love their team and the juxtoposition of the souless liverpool 'fans' concentrating on one player and personal financial gains, lol!

i cant go into this, but you gooners have so much more respect than 'liverpudlians'
support? maybe not .... but look at the support hitller had!

banter :nuts:
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joescrivens said:
I've heard that hitler was a man united fan. I mean he fits the bill. He's not from manchester, he's never been to old Trafford and he knows nothing about football, but he does have a beckham shirt. :D

It's ironic to hear a Man U fan talk about soulless support from fans.
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Remember that Sanata is watching.

......so is Santa LOL
 
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joescrivens said:
It's ironic to hear a Man U fan talk about soulless support from fans.
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football banter is full of irony Joe (liverpool fan from Kent) ;)
 
new2me said:
football banter is full of irony Joe (liverpool fan from Kent) ;)
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Is it also full of stalkers?

Here's a "facht":

you don't know my family history or where I've lived or not but having lived in Kent, you're right I should probably support Man u since it's much closer to london :D
 
dinners said:
Remember that Sanata is watching.
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Here's my christmas card to santa:

"Dear santa

I'm writing to tell you that I have been very bad this year, and it was worth every minute of it you fat, judgemental barstard"

:D:D
 
great weekend for us united fans and the hiccups from the other challengers (well City i mean)... but i've got to say i'm dreading the m/cr derby next week.. i think citeh are going to turn us over big time (again). Our defense is horrendous and fergie keeps saying every week that it's got to stop.. but when will it? Vidic is looking on the verge of a return, but that doesn't fill me with much hope either as returning players are always off the pace for the first few games back in the fold.

If things go as they have been we'll be liable to concede at least 3 goals against them.. i just hope we can score 4 :gag: I'm sure i saw a stat the other day on twitter which said something like, if liverpool had converted their shots on goal ratio in line with united - they would be top of the league :shrug:.. been trying to find it again for clarification.
 
joescrivens said:
I don't know why he doesn't score all the chanes he has, when he shows the skill he has it's hard to see how he misses sometimes.

I think it's safe to say he's a highly skillfull striker but very inconsistent.
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i think in fairness, he converts quite a lot.. it's just the rest of the team are crap :D the article says Man U have RVP as leading scorer but then have a bunch of other players with at least 2 goals or more, whereas LFC have no-one. It's a shame Agger is leaving otherwise he could have chipped in with a few more as the season goes on :lol:
 
leftcurl said:
i think in fairness, he converts quite a lot.. it's just the rest of the team are crap :D the article says Man U have RVP as leading scorer but then have a bunch of other players with at least 2 goals or more, whereas LFC have no-one. It's a shame Agger is leaving otherwise he could have chipped in with a few more as the season goes on :lol:
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Agger already left didn't he? I thought he played for citeh?
 
So it's Swansea vs Arsenal again (in the cup)
 
TriggerHappy said:
Arsenal chairman, Peter Hill-Wood, is said to be recovering from a heart attack following a bout of pneumonia. I might not like what the man has done to Arsenal but nobody deserves that. Best wishes to him for his recovery.
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I don't think he has done a bad job. Safe premiership club, nice ground, cash in the bank, personally he can be a but pompous but old Etonian bankers often are, and u know my thoughts on the manager!! What don't u like about what he has done?
 
leftcurl said:
. i think citeh are going to turn us over big time (again). Our defense is horrendous and fergie keeps saying every week that it's got to stop.. but when will it? Vidic is looking on the verge of a return, but that doesn't fill me with much hope either as returning players are always off the pace for the first few games back in the fold.
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Be interesting to see the effect Van Persie has - I think City (and all other teams) will be terrified of him. With him and Rooney upfront it changes the complexion compared to last year's games. But yeah, defensively, you do look poor at the moment. Vidic might be rusty,but at least he'll command the area heading wise - of course if City play it all on the ground it may be tricky. Could be a high scoring game.
 
cambsno said:
I don't think he has done a bad job. Safe premiership club, nice ground, cash in the bank, personally he can be a but pompous but old Etonian bankers often are, and u know my thoughts on the manager!! What don't u like about what he has done?
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Essentially everything you think Wenger is responsible for, I think Peter Hill-Wood and Kroenke are responsible for.

This fantastic article is far more comprehensive than I could be. It's a year old now, so you can add to that another disappointing season, another terrible start and an even more contemptible attitude in the latest AGM, which highlights just how jacked up he has become in his role.

I had huge respect for David Dein and all the he helped us to achieve, and it was PHW who later admitted to having fired him when their visions for the future differed. Since 2005 PHW entirely reshaped the board with a group of people who won't challenge hiss leadership, which has become increasingly out-dated in the face of a changing football environment.

Basically I respect his efforts and am very thankful for how he's helped us up until the last 7 years or so. Since then I think he's seriously lost his way and needs to step aside for someone with a more progressive view of how to run a football club in the current climate.
 
TriggerHappy said:
I had huge respect for David Dein and all the he helped us to achieve, and it was PHW who later admitted to having fired him when their visions for the future differed. Since 2005 PHW entirely reshaped the board with a group of people who won't challenge hiss leadership, which has become increasingly out-dated in the face of a changing football environment.

Basically I respect his efforts and am very thankful for how he's helped us up until the last 7 years or so. Since then I think he's seriously lost his way and needs to step aside for someone with a more progressive view of how to run a football club in the current climate.
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I agree in terms of the 'behind the scenes' stuff at Arsenal and the 'direction' of the club however the lack of a trophy (esp a league title) is more down to what's gone on elsewhere in my opinion.

Take the whole sugar daddy thing out of the equation and Arsenal would have probably picked up a couple of titles in that period. I've shoved a line in around 2003/04 after which I would say things changed. Whether it be titles or the whole preoccupation with the 'top four' and all that brings - Arsenal and Liverpool are probably the two clubs most affected by it.

United v Arsenal used to be an 'even playing playing field' and as much as I loved it back then - I value the titles United have won over the money men all the more.

I just wish somebody else other than United (even Liverpool) could help put up a fight against them


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1993–94 1 Manchester United 2 Blackburn Rovers
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1995–96 1 Manchester United 2 Newcastle United
1996–97 1 Manchester United 2 Newcastle United
1997–98 1 Arsenal 2 Manchester United
1998–99 1 Manchester United 2 Arsenal
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2007–08 1 Manchester United 2 Chelsea
2008–09 1 Manchester United 2 Liverpool
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akr said:
Be interesting to see the effect Van Persie has - I think City (and all other teams) will be terrified of him. With him and Rooney upfront it changes the complexion compared to last year's games. But yeah, defensively, you do look poor at the moment. Vidic might be rusty,but at least he'll command the area heading wise - of course if City play it all on the ground it may be tricky. Could be a high scoring game.
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I'm just waiting for the day we have our defence in place and fit. I'm not complaining as we've done pretty well but it's been Piecemeal / ad-hoc since the season before last.

Stratman said:
Manchester United at home for 'United' surely.

West Ham UNITED were playing while the northern lot were still Newton Heath.
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Ah the Green and Gold :thumbs:

I always get in trouble from my Coventy relatives when I say 'City'

joescrivens said:
it's being played in london? another home game for Man United then :D
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We need a tumbleweed smiley.;)
 
There was a fantastic documentary on ITV4 last night on Jose Mourinho called Mourinho (unsurprisingly). It's available on itv player and I thoroughly recommend it.

His relationship with Fergie was very interesting. I suspect they know something about his future that we don't ;)
 
i think mourinho at united has been on the cards since he left chelsea.. i can't honestly see it not happening. I have to add that i would much prefer him at my club than anyone else, especially Pep. It'll be very interesting to see where Pep ends up and how he actually copes with a team that needs managing.. has he actually ever had to do that properly in his career? i don't think so. He should go to Liverpool if he wants a real challenge ;)
 
I wouldn't have him at Liverpool. I hate the way he sets his teams up and even worse is the gamesmanship he brings to the game. No thanks. On top of this he's an impact manager with no desire to build for the future. All he cares about is his legacy.

Oh, and we don't have half a billion quid for him to spend.
 
With regards to Jose Mourinho - I saw this written elsewhere and I can see what the person was getting at.

I would like someone humble, someone who wants to make themselves part of the fabric of our history, rather than thinking that we were becoming part of the fabric of theirs.

I agree with Leigh - I'm in two minds about whether I'd want Mourinho at United. On the one hand you'd have the media circus and controvosy but on the other hand I wouldn't like the thought of him going to a rival club if he came back to England. What I would say is that the United job (or more to the point following Fergie) would be the sort of challenge that his ego would like.

Pep Guardiola is pretty much unproven at anything other than what was required to manage Barca. Pretty much an unknown quanity.

To be honest I'd be happy with Moyes.

I think a lot depends on when and how Fergie calls it a day. If it's a case of looking to see who is available when he steps down then some of these names might not even be an option. If on the other hand it's a case of looking to bring them in when they're available and Fergie was planning to step down at that time then who knows.
 
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