The Football Thread - Season 2012/2013

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joescrivens said:
Ironic statement coming from an arsenal fan :D
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Pretty sure we've been inside the top 5 for the 3 years that article looks at (and beyond), which is more than can be said for Suarez (it's only fair I call Liverpool that from now on, what with them being a one man team and all :D ) :lol:
 
TriggerHappy said:
Pretty sure we've been inside the top 5 for the 3 years that article looks at (and beyond), which is more than can be said for Suarez (it's only fair I call Liverpool that from now on, what with them being a one man team and all :D ) :lol:
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And you've won how many trophies in that time? ;)
 
TriggerHappy said:
Suarez (it's only fair I call Liverpool that from now on, what with them being a one man team and all :D ) :lol:
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:lol:

That's a fair shot after having Arsenal referred to as Van Persie for most of last season.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Pretty sure we've been inside the top 5 for the 3 years that article looks at (and beyond), which is more than can be said for Suarez (it's only fair I call Liverpool that from now on, what with them being a one man team and all :D ) :lol:
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Nice one you just reminded me, I've been saying arsenal for the last few weeks instead of TTFKAVP. Will remember to not make that mistake again.
 
Its been a while.... but 1 shot on target away to Villa. Yet another inept performance. Walcott still unresolved and talk of buying Downing... Wenger lost the plot!!!
 
Ha, literally thousands of Chelsea fans in full voice to boo their new manager. Stay classy, Chelsea! No doubt they'll do a 180 and say they always backed him if he brings them any success as well.
 
cambsno said:
Its been a while.... but 1 shot on target away to Villa. Yet another inept performance. Walcott still unresolved and talk of buying Downing... Wenger lost the plot!!!
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Please buy Downing! We're apparently preparing 10m bid for Ince and 19m bid for Sturridge!
 
I'd take him at less than half that, but seriously if we're spending that money I'd want someone with a better record... and who passes the ball.

Paying 10m for a player we gave away a year ago is nuts especially as we did so cos his motormouth dad couldn't keep his nose out.
 
cambsno said:
Agree, his is a £5m-£7m player - how can he be worth almost twice as much as Podolski and almost as much as RVP?
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Especially when we're skint. January prices are stupid though...
 
I know they're not really bad but these ankle hits from Suarez are getting more and more frequent.

One against Everton a couple of weeks ago, Wigan last week and now against Swansea.

As I said - I know they're not the worst but are they clumsy accidents or is he just cute with them ?
 
dinners said:
I know they're not really bad but these ankle hits from Suarez are getting more and more frequent.

One against Everton a couple of weeks ago, Wigan last week and now against Swansea.

As I said - I know they're not the worst but are they clumsy accidents or is he just cute with them ?
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Put it this way. If it were someone else doing it then it would be non news. There's your answer.

They are a way off a leaping elbow to the head on the halfway line.
 
dinners said:
I know they're not really bad but these ankle hits from Suarez are getting more and more frequent.

One against Everton a couple of weeks ago, Wigan last week and now against Swansea.

As I said - I know they're not the worst but are they clumsy accidents or is he just cute with them ?
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Phil, it is probably because he has such quick feet and has the boy in the playground attitude who never shirks a challenge. It's like Scholes who I'd never call dirty, but the man knew how to mistime a tackle.
 
The23rdman said:
Phil, it is probably because he has such quick feet and has the boy in the playground attitude who never shirks a challenge. It's like Scholes who I'd never call dirty, but the man knew how to mistime a tackle.
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Scholes is just an out and out crap tackler and can be dirty just like a lot of other players. These incidents aren't really tackles though - they are more like he just stands on people's ankles. I can't decide whether they're accidental or if they're deliberate.

joescrivens said:
Put it this way. If it were someone else doing it then it would be non news. There's your answer.

They are a way off a leaping elbow to the head on the halfway line.
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I was careful to say that they're not particularly bad and I agree with what you say - again I was just wondering if these are all accidental or has he got it down to a fine art as he seems to either be instantly apologising or acting like he's the one that's been caught. Here's the sort of thing I'm on about and before you think I'm picking on Suarez I'm not. I've already made my mind up about some of his other acts it's just these recent ankle ones that I'm unsure about.

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An old one
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I don't think you can read owt in facial expressions. Most people pull faces when they're busting a gut to reach the ball. I honestly do not think it is deliberate.

That last one, though, is mental.
 
I don't think they are deliberate either, apart from the last one that does look very deliberate.

The rest are just nasty accidents. They are nothing like this for example

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dinners said:
Scholes is just an out and out crap tackler and can be dirty just like a lot of other players. These incidents aren't really tackles though - they are more like he just stands on people's ankles. I can't decide whether they're accidental or if they're deliberate.



I was careful to say that they're not particularly bad and I agree with what you say - again I was just wondering if these are all accidental or has he got it down to a fine art as he seems to either be instantly apologising or acting like he's the one that's been caught. Here's the sort of thing I'm on about and before you think I'm picking on Suarez I'm not. I've already made my mind up about some of his other acts it's just these recent ankle ones that I'm unsure about.
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You also need to add the stamping challenge he did on Mirallas in the derby game too; same challenge he did on the Wigan player.

And as for Joescrivens saying that they are just nasty accidents; Wow :bonk: :bonk: Suarez knows EXACTLY what he's doing. He's going in to injure players in a deliberate manner. He's never anywhere near the ball and is purposely going for the ankles/achilles. Nasty, nasty, snide little player. Karma will strike him soon!
 
Interesting the Suarez talking is coming up because it's been discussed in our house for the last 4 weeks. We're now looking out for his challenges. Sorry Joe but he often goes in studs up, raking down shins or ankles
 
mindcrime said:
Conversely, how do you know they are just accidents? Merry-go-round time ;)
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Ahh but you see theres a difference. I am not claiming that to be fact

joescrivens said:
I don't think they are deliberate either, apart from the last one that does look very deliberate.
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however you stating "Suarez knows EXACTLY what he's doing" and saying WOW to what I think is indicating you somehow know it to be true, rather than you just thinking it.

So, to clarify. You believe them to be on purpose - but you don't actually know. right?
 
joescrivens said:
I don't think they are deliberate either, apart from the last one that does look very deliberate.

The rest are just nasty accidents. They are nothing like this for example
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Agreed - nothing like that. That's just thuggery and has been wrong since the year dot regardless of who does it. I'm not talking about 'obvious' deliberate actions - thuggery, leg breaking tackles, mistimed tackles or somebody that wants to just throw a punch.

What I was after is a view on these Suarez ones that always seem (from his reaction) to be clumsy accidents..

You & Dean say 'accidental' which is fair enough as they may well be.

I'm starting to think (based on the frequency and his previous) that not only are the stamps themselves deliberate but the apologetic / accidental act is contrived to go with it.
 
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Byker28i said:
Interesting the Suarez talking is coming up because it's been discussed in our house for the last 4 weeks. We're now looking out for his challenges. Sorry Joe but he often goes in studs up, raking down shins or ankles
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Exactly, everyone who goes for a fair tackle will miss the ball on occasion because they either misjudge it or the player in possession sees the tackle coming and moves the ball out of the way. The difference is the way that Suarez attempts a tackle. He doesn't try to poke the ball away like is the norm. Instead, he goes in straight-legged, studs showing and regularly goes down the shins or rolls the opposition player's ankle. Of course it's deliberate. Then there's the instances where he kicks and stamps on people where the ball is nowhere near. His actions are indefensible, and it baffles me that the bias of supporters is enough to override how wrong many of the things he does are. I criticise an Arsenal player whenever they dive or make an ugly challenge once, I can't imagine how much disdain I'd view them with if they were anywhere near as prolific as Suarez is. I'd be ashamed to have a player of his moral calibre at a club I cared about.
 
mindcrime said:
You also need to add the stamping challenge he did on Mirallas in the derby game too; same challenge he did on the Wigan player.

And as for Joescrivens saying that they are just nasty accidents; Wow :bonk: :bonk: Suarez knows EXACTLY what he's doing. He's going in to injure players in a deliberate manner. He's never anywhere near the ball and is purposely going for the ankles/achilles. Nasty, nasty, snide little player. Karma will strike him soon!
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Like so many psychic geniuses in this thread you seem to think your biases are the truth and you can read minds. Have a rest.
 
TriggerHappy said:
Exactly, everyone who goes for a fair tackle will miss the ball on occasion because they either misjudge it or the player in possession sees the tackle coming and moves the ball out of the way. The difference is the way that Suarez attempts a tackle. He doesn't try to poke the ball away like is the norm. Instead, he goes in straight-legged, studs showing and regularly goes down the shins or rolls the opposition player's ankle. Of course it's deliberate. Then there's the instances where he kicks and stamps on people where the ball is nowhere near. His actions are indefensible, and it baffles me that the bias of supporters is enough to override how wrong many of the things he does are. I criticise an Arsenal player whenever they dive or make an ugly challenge once, I can't imagine how much disdain I'd view them with if they were anywhere near as prolific as Suarez is. I'd be ashamed to have a player of his moral calibre at a club I cared about.
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I refer you to my previous comment and take offense that you think my moral character means I'd defend someone deliberately injuring people over club allegiance.
 
joescrivens said:
Unless you have personally spoken to Suarez, how can you know this. Don't get your opinion mixed up with facts.
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I'm not pretending to know for certain, but it's highly unlikely a professional football can 'mistime' challenges resulting in dangerous tackles nearly as prolifically as Suarez does. That's enough for me to form my opinion of whether there's intent or not.
 
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