The Football Thread - Season 2011/2012 - Part 2

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Their goal was offside from the long pass anyway so it's irrelevant that it did go over the line. They shouldn't have had the chance to score it anyway.
 
Terry's just gone up in my estimation as well.........although not as much as the goal-line official:lol:
 
What is the point of those cardboard cutouts behind the goal. They never blow for blatant fouls (bendtner) and miss balls over the line. Typical uefa.
 
What's with all the parochial 'club' pish tonight ?

Walcott - just about perfect timing for him now.
 
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Yep deffinatley been a game of two halves! Much better 2nd 45
 
What is the point of the ref on the goal line, if he can't see. They were totally robbed of a good goal.
 
ITV commentators really do my head in....heroic defending from John Terry??? He was caught under the high ball, outpaced and then failed to stop it going over the line.
 
Should be 1-1 that ball was across the goal line !!!!
 
MackieStaggie said:
ITV commentators really do my head in....heroic defending from John Terry??? He was caught under the high ball, outpaced and then failed to stop it going over the line.
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Great commentary on my telly - it's on mute:thumbs:

Can't stand the inane comments from the dubiously qualified 'pundit'
 
England will struggle against the Italians (or anyone else to be honest) unless they drop Terry and bring in someone else....like the 58 year old kit man for example.
 
I have to say I've seen more life in a tramps vest..........a win's a win but totally unconvincing :shake:
 
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England will struggle against the Italians (or anyone else to be honest) unless they drop Terry and bring in someone else....like the 58 year old kit man for example.
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Rubbish. Terry did well overall. If anyone should b dropped its young and welbeck.
 
Pleased with that.

Iffy first half but we knew Ukraine would be fast and furious to begin with and whilst it remained 0:0 there was no panic reaction.

Getting the first goal made a huge difference and enabled Rooney to get far more in the way of much needed match time than he'd have got had we gone behind.

Substitutions were all spot on. Made on our terms and when we wanted to make them rather than being made to change a game gone wrong.

Carroll came on at just the right time to hold up the ball along with Ox and Walcott to bring pace on the break.

Job done.
 
GET IN BOYS! Brilliant game of duck, dive, contain. Go on Roy. Quarter Finals boys!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done lads. Amazing display of control football when it was needed. Top of the Group. Saaaaaweeeeeeeeeeet!
 
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Rubbish. Terry did well overall. If anyone should b dropped its young and welbeck.
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Terry is a liability in defence...he's slow, gets caught under the ball often (at least 3 times tonight) and turns slower the QE2. Get someone else in like Jagielka in

joescrivens said:
Blah blah blah. Jealous scottish again!!! :D
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Meh, Ukraine are 55th in the rankings and Scotland are 41st...on that performance I'll say we have a chance in that friendly later on.
 
MackieStaggie said:
Terry is a liability in defence...he's slow, gets caught under the ball often (at least 3 times tonight) and turns slower the QE2. Get someone else in like Jagielka in



Meh, Ukraine are 55th in the rankings and Scotland are 41st...on that performance I'll say we have a chance in that friendly later on.
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Id say on that performance Scotland would have lost to the Ukraine. :shrug:
 
MackieStaggie said:
Terry is a liability in defence...he's slow, gets caught under the ball often (at least 3 times tonight) and turns slower the QE2. Get someone else in like Jagielka in



Meh, Ukraine are 55th in the rankings and Scotland are 41st...on that performance I'll say we have a chance in that friendly later on.
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yeah but still England won. Might be 55th in the rankings but scotland never played in a situation where it had meaning. England played a blinder tonight against a host nation with a stadium full of passionate fans. They toped there group and earned the right to be there. Where's the Scotts? Come on England!!!:lol::lol::lol:
 
Just walked into our Scottish pub. Got stick for the goal line clearance. I said it was offside to which I got 'but the linesman never gave him offside' to which I replied 'well he never gave the goal either'.
 
dinners said:
Just walked into our Scottish pub. Got stick for the goal line clearance. I said it was offside to which I got 'but the linesman never gave him offside' to which I replied 'well he never gave the goal either'.
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nice! now get a pint of tribute down you instead of updating tp!
 
I'm looking for that dragons bite badge you asked about......
 
Vantage said:
yeah but still England won. Might be 55th in the rankings but scotland never played in a situation where it had meaning. England played a blinder tonight against a host nation with a stadium full of passionate fans. They toped there group and earned the right to be there. Where's the Scotts? Come on England!!!:lol::lol::lol:
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Yeah yeah yeah, can we get past the tedious point scoring about how crap the Scottish team is and how we've not been to a finals since 98 (I was 14 at the time...little did I know that I wouldn't get a chance again to see us in the final stages) You have no arguments about the lack of talent in our national setup or the turmoil in the domestic leagues at the moment from me.

If I was an England fan (I'll make it known now, I have France in the work sweeps so 'allez les bleus' and what not), Terry would be my main worry and not so much Wellbeck and co. The Italians look to counter faster than the Ukraine's or the Swede's have done and also look to attack the flanks. Now this would mean over the top balls over Terry who once again proved he gets sucked in too easily and often finds himself under the ball. If that happens the back line will drop deeper and deeper and leave the likes of Wellbeck and Rooney isolated up front. I rate Jagielka highly and he has more pace than Terry easily and that would be the key to playing a higher defensive line in front of the Italians and allowing the likes of Ashely Cole and Johnson to get forward and beyond Milner and Young and provide support to the 2 forwards.
 
dinners said:
Just walked into our Scottish pub. Got stick for the goal line clearance. I said it was offside to which I got 'but the linesman never gave him offside' to which I replied 'well he never gave the goal either'.
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My scottish mrs has said we will be having a few pizza's at the weekend:shrug:
 
Jjm said:
My scottish mrs has said we will be having a few pizza's at the weekend:shrug:
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Living in Scotland - I have to 'supposedly' endure this tripe every time the World Cup or Euro's comes around :lol:

Posters and Flags around the office (even where there's no English folk) plus 'pizza for tea' or any other national food you might care to mention is the ultimte compliment.

It's great for us English up here as it just screams 'we are crap' so need England to fail. All good banter though :lol:
 
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dinners said:
Living in Scotland - I have to 'supposedly' endure this tripe every time the World Cup or Euro's comes around :lol:

Posters and Flags around the office (even where there's no English folk) plus 'pizza for tea' or any other national food you might care to mention is the ultimte compliment.

It's great for us English up here as it just screams 'we are crap' so need England to fail. All good banter though :lol:
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The banters wearing a bit thin tho as the scots know they are *****e
and it seems to be there only response to a bit of goading:)
 
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Yeah yeah yeah, can we get past the tedious point scoring about how crap the Scottish team is and how we've not been to a finals since 98 (I was 14 at the time...little did I know that I wouldn't get a chance again to see us in the final stages) You have no arguments about the lack of talent in our national setup or the turmoil in the domestic leagues at the moment from me.

If I was an England fan (I'll make it known now, I have France in the work sweeps so 'allez les bleus' and what not), Terry would be my main worry and not so much Wellbeck and co. The Italians look to counter faster than the Ukraine's or the Swede's have done and also look to attack the flanks. Now this would mean over the top balls over Terry who once again proved he gets sucked in too easily and often finds himself under the ball. If that happens the back line will drop deeper and deeper and leave the likes of Wellbeck and Rooney isolated up front. I rate Jagielka highly and he has more pace than Terry easily and that would be the key to playing a higher defensive line in front of the Italians and allowing the likes of Ashely Cole and Johnson to get forward and beyond Milner and Young and provide support to the 2 forwards.
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I'm with you on this one.

A lot is made (as it's easy to read papers) of who England have up front but it does all stem from the points you've mentioned.

Our central midfield (forget creative wider players) is first and foremost a 'holding' unit and they seem to be unable to operate more tha 20 yards ahead of our centre backs. That central midfield and central defence is our ball and chain.

The centre backs (slow Terry determines the line) will not push on for obvious fear of being stranded so the midfield stays deep and we rely on either parker throwing himself about like an idiot (herioc but sad) to block the obvious shots that arise or Gerrard pinging balls up to players like Carroll to hold whilst we all too slowly move up.

Rooney and Welbeck are both players that thrive on dropping deep to join midfield. Unfortunatley the midfield is 30 yards back joing defence so they'e facing a loosing battle. This is where we're missing a more 'box to box' cetral midfield palyer - a Robson, a younger Gerrad, Lampard even.

Obviously I'm happy to be in the QF but eventually we'll come a cropper. We can't rely on set plays or living on scraps up front. We need Terry (and I'm not sure he can) to have the line in place to allow midfield to push on and either link with our best forwards or interact more with our better wide players to at least provide more in the way of chances.
 
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Amused by the pundits on the radio this morning.

A right old mix of getting carried away / doom and gloom.
 
MackieStaggie said:
Terry is a liability in defence...he's slow, gets caught under the ball often (at least 3 times tonight) and turns slower the QE2. Get someone else in like Jagielka in



Meh, Ukraine are 55th in the rankings and Scotland are 41st...on that performance I'll say we have a chance in that friendly later on.
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Where do you get your info from? This is a UEFA competition and not a FIFA one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient#UEFA_Team_Ranking

UEFA has Ukraine at 15 and they could go as high as 10 after the tourney.

Just to be more of a pedant....http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/index.html

to show that even your FIFA rankings were wrong.
 
How do we know it's terry and not hodgson dictating where the defensive line is? Seems like the terry haters can't give up.

Him and lescott play well together. Jagielka is pretty inexperienced at this level, sticking him into a QF game is a huge gamble. Ok, jt is not the quickest but he reads game well, great clearence over the line, is good in the air at back and forward and although not captain is a leader. Our back line is pretty good so don't mess unless we get injuries. Despite all the possession Ukraine didn't have a load of good chances, mainly long shots.

I would b tempted to play Milner and parker as a holding pair, Gerard Rooney and Walcott ahead then Carroll up top.
 
dinners said:
I'm with you on this one.

A lot is made (as it's easy to read papers) of who England have up front but it does all stem from the points you've mentioned.

Our central midfield (forget creative wider players) is first and foremost a 'holding' unit and they seem to be unable to operate more tha 20 yards ahead of our centre backs. That central midfield and central defence is our ball and chain.

The centre backs (slow Terry determines the line) will not push on for obvious fear of being stranded so the midfield stays deep and we rely on either parker throwing himself about like an idiot (herioc but sad) to block the obvious shots that arise or Gerrard pinging balls up to players like Carroll to hold whilst we all too slowly move up.

Rooney and Welbeck are both players that thrive on dropping deep to join midfield. Unfortunatley the midfield is 30 yards back joing defence so they'e facing a loosing battle. This is where we're missing a more 'box to box' cetral midfield palyer - a Robson, a younger Gerrad, Lampard even.

Obviously I'm happy to be in the QF but eventually we'll come a cropper. We can't rely on set plays or living on scraps up front. We need Terry (and I'm not sure he can) to have the line in place to allow midfield to push on and either link with our best forwards or interact more with our better wide players to at least provide more in the way of chances.
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I may get pelters for this but Henderson can do the box to box job with ease.
 
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