The Fabulous Fuji X owners thread

Nuzik said:
maybe its your eyes! not mine. Look at the low ISO's and get those rose tinted 750 glasses off, i know your type!
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Rose tinted glasses lol :LOL: In all seriousness mate I genuinely have no bias towards any brand or camera, despite what you may believe. In fact if you've been following the D750 thread recently you will see that I've fallen out with Nikon and the D750 and if it wasn't for the crazy price of the 5DIV I'd actually be a Canon shooter now.

So that I know what you're liking with the Fuji files what aspect are you referring to, noise, sharpness, colour?
 
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Cagey75 said:
The Fuji has me shooting Jpeg more often, and opting for the Jpeg file in LR rather than the RAF a lot more than I thought. Sometimes the RAFs look washed out, and even after processing, they are often noisier than the Jpeg too. I don't know how they do it, but Fuji certainly know Jpeg
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No offence mate but I would suggest this is down to your PP skills then, I've not found one case where I can't get the RAW/RAF file to look better than jpeg in terms of noise and detail. Colours are a different matter and jpegs have some voodoo magic going on (all brands I've used) although often I can get them 98-99% there ;)
 
So it looking like the xt2 beats the A7ii in these test and maybe nearly on par with d750
 
Nuzik said:
maybe its your eyes! not mine. Look at the low ISO's and get those rose tinted 750 glasses off, i know your type!
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snerkler said:
Rose tinted glasses lol :LOL: In all seriousness mate I genuinely have no bias towards any brand or camera, despite what you may believe. In fact if you've been following the D750 thread recently you will see that I've fallen out with Nikon and the D750 and if it wasn't for the crazy price of the 5DIV I'd actually be a Canon shooter now.

So that I know what you're liking with the Fuji files what aspect are you referring to, noise, sharpness, colour?
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Neil, this is the way I see it, but of course YMMV. With jpeg I would say at ISO 200 the Fuji is giving the better/sharper images, but imo this is just because Fuji are adding more sharpening the their RAWs, download the files and import them into LR and you can actually get the Nikon jpegs to look better/sharper than the Fuji imo (by a gnats) by adding 'optimum' sharpening without introducing jpeg artefacts. You could therefore set the D750 up to shoot sharper jpegs in camera and get the similar results. Shoot RAW and the D750 are better/sharper/more detailed straight of the bat

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Look around the scene and it's clear that Fuji still struggles with the finer detail, especially greens
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Crank the ISO up and shoot low light and the advantage of FF becomes apparent, as you would expect, especially if you actually download the file and import to LR to remove chroma noise.
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Now I know this is a Fuji thread and before I get flamed, I think these tests show just how impressive the XT2 is. We're comparing an APS-C sensor with a FF sensor and you have to pixel peep and really scrutinise to see the difference. In real world shooting the difference will be even less, maybe to the point that it is none existent (except in extreme low light). Then add to this that Fuji (for me) have nicer colours and skin tones and all of a sudden the final image of the Fuji could well be better. After all, it's the final rendering of the image viewed at normal size that matters most rather than which is the absolute sharpest at pixel level. The XT2 (and other Fuji) produces mighty fine images (y).

@rookies I'll do a similar comparison with the A7II in a minute (y)


Edit: Note that sharpness, colour and contrast will also be lens dependant.
 
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I don't get the endless debating over which camera/system is best, at the end of the day it's down to personal choice. I switched from Canon FF to Fuji mainly to get a smaller lighter set up. I haven't regretted it for one minute. I'd been a Canon user pretty much 40 years but I swapped with no hesitation, I now have a system that produces great images (my very limited talent notwithstanding) it's small enough and light enough to make me want to take out with me on almost every opportunity, I'm taking way more photos than I ever did with my Canon set up, end of the day that's what it's all about, taking photos and enjoying doing so.
If we all had the same tastes live would be very difficult, car manufacturer X could charge what they like for their cars, town Y would be impossible to buy a house in, and restaurant Z would have a 10 year waiting list for a table !
 
jimgallaher said:
I don't get the endless debating over which camera/system is best, at the end of the day it's down to personal choice. I switched from Canon FF to Fuji mainly to get a smaller lighter set up. I haven't regretted it for one minute. I'd been a Canon user pretty much 40 years but I swapped with no hesitation, I now have a system that produces great images (my very limited talent notwithstanding) it's small enough and light enough to make me want to take out with me on almost every opportunity, I'm taking way more photos than I ever did with my Canon set up, end of the day that's what it's all about, taking photos and enjoying doing so.
If we all had the same tastes live would be very difficult, car manufacturer X could charge what they like for their cars, town Y would be impossible to buy a house in, and restaurant Z would have a 10 year waiting list for a table !
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Exactly the same for me, very satisfied with the Fuji photos and no interest in comparisons, I'm not going to change anyway so it's totally irrelevant
 
@rookies

Looking at the jpeg I would say that both the Fuji and Sony apply equally aggressive sharpening, but imo the Fuji does a slightly nicer job. Again though this can be tweaked either in camera or in post. Looking at RAW I would say the A7II is better/sharper by a gnats
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Looking around the scene again I would say that the A7II shows finer detail better, but the difference is not as big as compared to the D750. Plus, Sony's greens are really garish imo :hungover:
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At high ISO low light the Fuji actually looks better imo. Online the Sony has more chroma noise, but if you download the RAWs and load into LR to remove chroma noise the Sony actually has noticeably larger and coarser luminance noise imo, the noise on the Fuji is much nicer imo

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After import to LR (XT2 left, A7II Right)

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Cheers pal very helpful of you to do this

There a few other things we gain on the food too such as faster AF better menu and buttons layout etc
 
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jimgallaher said:
I don't get the endless debating over which camera/system is best, at the end of the day it's down to personal choice. I switched from Canon FF to Fuji mainly to get a smaller lighter set up. I haven't regretted it for one minute. I'd been a Canon user pretty much 40 years but I swapped with no hesitation, I now have a system that produces great images (my very limited talent notwithstanding) it's small enough and light enough to make me want to take out with me on almost every opportunity, I'm taking way more photos than I ever did with my Canon set up, end of the day that's what it's all about, taking photos and enjoying doing so.
If we all had the same tastes live would be very difficult, car manufacturer X could charge what they like for their cars, town Y would be impossible to buy a house in, and restaurant Z would have a 10 year waiting list for a table !
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tijuana taxi said:
Exactly the same for me, very satisfied with the Fuji photos and no interest in comparisons, I'm not going to change anyway so it's totally irrelevant
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I completely agree, test results like I've just been demonstrating mean very little in real life, and despite the results I've just demonstrated above I still prefer shots from my XT1 over the D750 is a number of scenarios, especially people. Plus, as these things are all so damn close these days it's things like handling which is FAR more important. And lens selection of course ;)
 
rookies said:
Cheers pal very helpful of you to do this

There a few other things we gain on the food too such as faster AF better menu and buttons layout etc
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Rooks you hated the xt1 when you tried it a few months ago. Are you having loads of trouble with your Sony not doing what you want it to?
 
rookies said:
Cheers pal very helpful of you to do this

There a few other things we gain on the food too such as faster AF better menu and buttons layout etc
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No worries Andy. I know you need to see these things to help decide, but honestly they really don't matter in real life 99% of the time. I used to obsess over tests like this and scores, but none of it tells you what you final image is going to look like and it's honestly not that important. Yes if you shoot a lot in extreme low light then FF may be an advantage to you, but for everything else just consider the look of the final image. This will mainly be lens dependant too. In fact, my favourite rendering lenses aren't the sharpest out there, but render beautifully. In fact they are designed with deliberate 'flaws' (as far as test scores are concerned anyway) to give them this look.
 
I'm moving from the Sony A7RII to the Fuji XT-2, also agree that the final image is what counts.
 
@snerkler I've just been teasing you. I have no bias. You are just fun to tease.
With regards to the Fuji's the seen to be good. No idea why anyone shoots in jpg. Pp in LR or Photoshop and practice your skills it's fun yiu can do what you want and make them you own style.
Don't get me started on cannon lol
 
Nuzik said:
@snerkler I've just been teasing you. I have no bias. You are just fun to tease.
With regards to the Fuji's the seen to be good. No idea why anyone shoots in jpg. Pp in LR or Photoshop and practice your skills it's fun yiu can do what you want and make them you own style.
Don't get me started on cannon lol
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:bat:

:LOL:
 
addicknchips said:
Rooks you hated the xt1 when you tried it a few months ago. Are you having loads of trouble with your Sony not doing what you want it to?
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I enjoyed the layout of the xt1 it was the IQ but the xt2 seems to be better than my A7ii so it could be a nice move
 
Rizvan said:
I'm moving from the Sony A7RII to the Fuji XT-2, also agree that the final image is what counts.
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Hope you be pls as A7rii a deferent beast [emoji6]
 
snerkler said:
@rookies

Looking at the jpeg I would say that both the Fuji and Sony apply equally aggressive sharpening, but imo the Fuji does a slightly nicer job. Again though this can be tweaked either in camera or in post. Looking at RAW I would say the A7II is better/sharper by a gnats
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Looking around the scene again I would say that the A7II shows finer detail better, but the difference is not as big as compared to the D750. Plus, Sony's greens are really garish imo :hungover:
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At high ISO low light the Fuji actually looks better imo. Online the Sony has more chroma noise, but if you download the RAWs and load into LR to remove chroma noise the Sony actually has noticeably larger and coarser luminance noise imo, the noise on the Fuji is much nicer imo

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After import to LR (XT2 left, A7II Right)

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It's weird how Fuji RAW files (particularly X trans I / ii) look so soft out of the camera, and makes them look worse for detail compared to Bayer cameras (when using Adobe). A touch of sharpening always resolves this.

The a7ii comparison is interesting. Sony cameras always turned me off for a number of reasons, one being the noise pattern they've had at high ISO for many years. Probably makes little difference when printing, but was a turn off back in my pixel peeper days :)
 
Right guys email been sent to shop to do a deal. How are people setting up xt2 to take images do you set aperture and shutter speed and put ISO on auto. With the wheels on top u have press button to turn just wondering
 
rookies said:
Right guys email been sent to shop to do a deal. How are people setting up xt2 to take images do you set aperture and shutter speed and put ISO on auto. With the wheels on top u have press button to turn just wondering
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Same as I've been doing for years, Aperture priority with auto iso majority of the time, Manual with auto iso some more of the time, aperture priority fixed aperture some more of the time and very rarely fixed ISO Manual.
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
Same as I've been doing for years, Aperture priority with auto iso majority of the time, Manual with auto iso some more of the time, aperture priority fixed aperture some more of the time and very rarely fixed ISO Manual.
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Yup and you have auto ISO minimum shutter set?
 
Yeh, the XT2 allows 3 presets for it which I have at 1/200, 1/400 and 1/100, flick between them for general use depending on lens and subject matter.
 
rookies said:
Yup and you have auto ISO minimum shutter set?
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You have 3 options for auto ISO. All,of mine are set for minimum of 200 and maximum 6400. Option 1 is minimum shutter speed of 1/15 for when I've got an IS lens on. Option 2 is minimum ss of 1/60 for shorter primes and 3 is minimum ss of 1/200 for longer lenses.
 
I really like that set up. To flick through these 3 options is it done via menu or dial
 
These Fuji have quick wake up and start up don't they. My a7ii is sluggish sometime I miss a moment
 
rookies said:
I really like that set up. To flick through these 3 options is it done via menu or dial
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You have the choice to assign it to one of the function buttons.
 
Just seen Jessops are doing 10% off the X-T2 this weekend, none in stock, but good price if you are happy waiting for the next shipment to arrive.
 
tijuana taxi said:
Just seen Jessops are doing 10% off the X-T2 this weekend, none in stock, but good price if you are happy waiting for the next shipment to arrive.
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Was in jessops St Albans this morning and someone was on the phone advising they are due a new shipment of x-t2's tomorrow.
 
addicknchips said:
Was in jessops St Albans this morning and someone was on the phone advising they are due a new shipment of x-t2's tomorrow.
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And Jessops have never been known to tell lies, have they?
 
This is a image I took today and it something I have never overcome on this Sony I hardly got it when I was with the D750 but it not put me off till now.. I am wondering and I am sure all camera suffers from it at some degree but how does the Fuji cope.. Here a image to show what i mean the upper right where tree branch is..

DSC01027.jpg by Andrew Rookes, on Flickr
 
rookies said:
This is a image I took today and it something I have never overcome on this Sony I hardly got it when I was with the D750 but it not put me off till now.. I am wondering and I am sure all camera suffers from it at some degree but how does the Fuji cope.. Here a image to show what i mean the upper right where tree branch is..

DSC01027.jpg by Andrew Rookes, on Flickr
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what in particular are you referring to? the focus or something else?
 
The branch look blue doesn't look right to the cloud??
 
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