The Fabulous Fuji X owners thread

So that's where you were going to today!
Could hardly hear you then the line went dead.
Mail incoming soon about Saturday - just as soon as I've written it!
 
dibbly dobbler said:
Thanks, that's what I thought. I was out with a Fuji shooter last night (Santa has mine locked up until the 25th!) and he said the RAW is also different but I thought I had read different. I'll put him straight tomorrow :)
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The only "jpeg" setting that can have any impact on your raw file is DR 200 and DR 400

But this isn't a fuji thing, iirc it's true of all ISOless sensors
 
I'd forgotten it was out. I'll get it updated this evening hopefully, it looks a fairly comprehensive set of changes looking at the revised manual.
 
It seems Fuji hasn't released an updated firmware for the XT10 ? I wonder why ?
 
dibbly dobbler said:
Thanks - has anybody got a link which states this as my chum is totally not believing me!
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Google is you friend my man!

http://www.fujirumors.com/how-to-expand-dynamic-range/
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3666745
http://www.adrielhenderson.com/blog/2013/6/10/fuji-x-raw-files

There is also P79 in the handbook.

What it means in simple English is anyone's guess.
I have mine set to Auto but it still shows as 100 in the viewfinder. Do I understand what is going on? No. Do I care? No!
As with everything you can work round it.
 
dibbly dobbler said:
Thanks mickledore! My chum is using Velvia mode but then processing the RAW to give the finished shot - this seems daft to me?
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Depends really, if one is envisaging the final PP image in velvia, them having the EVF of the camera set to look like velvia will help one think in terms of the final shot.

I see others have posted links about the DR expansion.

In my own words...

However great a camera is with high ISO the fact is the camera provides the greatest dynamic range and IQ at base ISO. So when you set the camera to use a stop or 2 (DR 200 & 400) less* than base, when the shot could of been taken at base ISO you're unnecessarily truncating it's potential.

*when we up ISO on a digital camera, we are effectively UNDEREXPOSING the sensor by x number of stops, then artificially adding brightness after the fact

For my opinion, I'd rather dodge and burn a native ISO shot myself in post, than have the camera reduce what I have to work with from the off
 
twist said:
@quango2k The thing that does annoy me is when the UK retailers / manufacturers sell a product at MORE than the international item price plus taxes just because we live in the UK and SHOULD be able to afford the extra!
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As I understand it, I think the vat is paid for by digital Rev, as well as import tax. You are bang on the money on uk sellers charging more than you can buy elsewhere...this is what bugs me most. You can buy the same things in the states in $ as we do in £....and that's not all import costs, just greed. If it wasn't the case there would be no market for the likes of digital rev in the uk.
 
dibbly dobbler said:
Thanks, that's what I thought. I was out with a Fuji shooter last night (Santa has mine locked up until the 25th!) and he said the RAW is also different but I thought I had read different. I'll put him straight tomorrow :)
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Raw is as suggested, raw :)

But, in Lightroom you can go into the development module and scroll down to camera calibration and re-apply the film simulation as you see fit. Then just sync all your image settings and you are done.
 
quango2k said:
As I understand it, I think the vat is paid for by digital Rev, as well as import tax. You are bang on the money on uk sellers charging more than you can buy elsewhere...this is what bugs me most. You can buy the same things in the states in $ as we do in £....and that's not all import costs, just greed. If it wasn't the case there would be no market for the likes of digital rev in the uk.
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They dont pay the VAT unless you get stung. Otherwise they dont pay a penny towards the UK economy on each sale. TBF a lot of stuff is a direct conversion plus related tax. US prices usually dont show sales tax.
 
twist said:
They dont pay the VAT unless you get stung. Otherwise they dont pay a penny towards the UK economy on each sale. TBF a lot of stuff is a direct conversion plus related tax. US prices usually dont show sales tax.
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At the end of the day manufacturers and retailers charge what they think the market will tolerate and can afford. I always set a price in my own mind what I'm prepared to pay for a product, and if that's close enough to what UK sellers want to charge, then I'll go that route. Otherwise I'll either do without or take the risk of the grey market - and there ARE risks, whether they materialise or not.
 
quango2k said:
As I understand it, I think the vat is paid for by digital Rev, as well as import tax. You are bang on the money on uk sellers charging more than you can buy elsewhere...this is what bugs me most. You can buy the same things in the states in $ as we do in £....and that's not all import costs, just greed. If it wasn't the case there would be no market for the likes of digital rev in the uk.
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The liability of VAT is on the importer not on Digital Rev, so technically you as the importer should pay the VAT on the lens/camera when it lands in the UK, however many grey importers take punts on declared values, on the basis that the likelyhood of getting caught out is minimal, so they offer to re-imburse any VAT you may have to pay if caught out.

If HMRC decided to inspect every item imported into the UK, and take it's market value instead of it's declared value then VAT would get charged at the normal rate, and after a period of time grey importation would dry up. There really isn't any greed on behalf of most UK resellers, if you subtract the VAT costs then the prices are broadly similar to the likes of Digital Rev, add in the cashback then its quite a bit less!!!

It is also normal for global companies to set different continent market prices, that's not the resellers being greedy, but the blame should be at the door of the manufacturer.

Having been quite a significant distributor/reseller in a past business (£3 milllion imports annually), I can tell you that its certainly not all about greed, and you have to also take into account currency fluctuations, especially when selling product on 30 day trade account terms. The grey importers get your money instantly so can take benefit of currency changes immediately.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
If HMRC decided to inspect every item imported into the UK, and take it's market value instead of it's declared value then VAT would get charged at the normal rate, and after a period of time grey importation would dry up. There really isn't any greed on behalf of most UK resellers, if you subtract the VAT costs then the prices are broadly similar to the likes of Digital Rev, add in the cashback then its quite a bit less!!!

It is also normal for global companies to set different continent market prices, that's not the resellers being greedy, but the blame should be at the door of the manufacturer.

Having been quite a significant distributor/reseller in a past business (£3 milllion imports annually), I can tell you that its certainly not all about greed, and you have to also take into account currency fluctuations, especially when selling product on 30 day trade account terms. The grey importers get your money instantly so can take benefit of currency changes immediately.
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This is what I was referring more to in terms of pricing.... 1DX grey £2800 vs UK £4400, lets be generous and say once you add the tax to the import thats £3500. Wheres the other £900 going to? Thats why I said the retailer / manufacturers take the P sometimes. More likely manufacturer though.
 
Picked up an X-T10 for a good price, looking forward to trying a Fuji again.

Wouldve preferred the X-T1 but dont want to stretch the budget to much on a second system, made that mistake to many times!
 
If you look at what yesteryear's cameras get discounted too (all brands, even the famous German one!) it does imply that there's wiggle room in RRP...

If I'm being charitable to the OEMs ('tis the season) I'd think that they must have a staggered return pricing policy on gear, X sales @ full rrp in yr1, x sales at 80% of rrp in year 2, etc

If I'm not being charitable, then yeah they're taking the P

of course people like to forget all the hidden costs of being an OEM, how many dealerships/repair centers, what ad campaign etc - stuff like that also varies from country to country
 
twist said:
This is what I was referring more to in terms of pricing.... 1DX grey £2800 vs UK £4400, lets be generous and say once you add the tax to the import thats £3500. Wheres the other £900 going to? Thats why I said the retailer / manufacturers take the P sometimes. More likely manufacturer though.
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Its not £900 !!!! £3500-£2800 = £700 !!! But compared to digital rev, etc the difference is actually only £200, so hardly greed on the part of the UK reseller.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Its not £900 !!!! £3500-£2800 = £700 !!! But compared to digital rev, etc the difference is actually only £200, so hardly greed on the part of the UK reseller.
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£2800 grey + 20% tax = 3360

4400 UK - 3360 = 1040.
 
This is too taxing, so here goes with a change of tack

Has anyone a suggestion please for a decent Arca Swiss plate to fit a X-T1?

Thinking of something smaller than the full length ones that form the base plate of grips or L plates (already got one of those)

Thank you
 
twist said:
£2800 grey + 20% tax = 3360

4400 UK - 3360 = 1040.
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But that's from a supplier who claims to have stock but can't ship for 2-5 business days!!!! Would you really order from them?

So they can operate on lower margins as they actually hold no stock!!! when you place your order, they will get the item in from Canon/their distributor before sending to you!!!!!

As I said before the Digital Rev difference is a lot smaller.

And of course add in the factory that aren't Canon Warranties Region Specific????
 
tijuana taxi said:
This is too taxing, so here goes with a change of tack

Has anyone a suggestion please for a decent Arca Swiss plate to fit a X-T1?

Thinking of something smaller than the full length ones that form the base plate of grips or L plates (already got one of those)

Thank you
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I use the Sunwayfoto one, but it is full length, surely any short plate will fit like the 3LT one http://www.3leggedthing.com/accessories/quick-release-plate.html#!prettyPhoto

Surely there are any number of eBay sellers who make a similar plate.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
But that's from a supplier who claims to have stock but can't ship for 2-5 business days!!!! Would you really order from them?

So they can operate on lower margins as they actually hold no stock!!! when you place your order, they will get the item in from Canon/their distributor before sending to you!!!!!

As I said before the Digital Rev difference is a lot smaller.

And of course add in the factory that aren't Canon Warranties Region Specific????
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They are selling the product and they (and others for a similar price) do ship them. So yes, they do sell them at that price. Its a huge saving for an extra couple days wait.

Warranty, what £1040 for a 1 year warranty, youve got to be MAD.
 
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tijuana taxi said:
This is too taxing, so here goes with a change of tack

Has anyone a suggestion please for a decent Arca Swiss plate to fit a X-T1?

Thinking of something smaller than the full length ones that form the base plate of grips or L plates (already got one of those)

Thank you
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I thought 3LT supplied a plate with their tripods? They did with mine. Think I've still got it somewhere. Think I've got a couple of spare plates in the box. Want me to have a look?
 
Thanks for the replies, was hoping for the type with a lip to prevent twist, had a Kirk made one for my 5D

Cheers
 
 
What would be a respectable price to pay for a used xt1 plus 18-55 in excellent condition?
My clicky "buy" finger is getting very itchy indeed :D
 
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