The Fabulous Fuji X owners thread

Rizvan said:
WEX have 67.... yes 67!! second hand Fuji XT-1's in stock :eek:
I think maybe that's too much? Lets hope the do a mega black Friday clear out selling them for £299 each!! :D

http://www.wexphotographic.com/used...-fuji-x-t1/b3240-m84-r4131?sortby=1&showall=1
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I'm happy with my XT1. Looking at WEX price on the black XT1 and Silver XT1, I think I got a good deal on my Graphite Silver XT1. I paid £500 for a mint condition Graphite Silver XT1.

Tempting for another lens already lol. The 18-55 f2.8-f4 is tempting.
 
Rizvan said:
A interesting Nikon D500 vs Fuji XT-2 video...... a point worth mentioning is that he only used 95mbps UHS I SD cards so perhaps the Fuji XT-2 would have faired better with faster UHS II's?

View: https://youtu.be/iYf7t9lzslQ
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Well that was a shock - on the portrait shot test I scored:

D500 - 2
XT2 - 11

There were two where I flipped from B, to A to B (5 and 13) but landed each way on those.

Very surprising to me, I've never seen one of these so much in favour of one side.
 
Rizvan said:
WEX have 67.... yes 67!! second hand Fuji XT-1's in stock :eek:
I think maybe that's too much? Lets hope the do a mega black Friday clear out selling them for £299 each!! :D

http://www.wexphotographic.com/used...-fuji-x-t1/b3240-m84-r4131?sortby=1&showall=1
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I bought a mint one from them on Tuesday with a grip thrown in (and I bought it before they reduced the price slightly, so they credited my account with the difference yesterday!) for under £500, pretty pleased with that.

I wonder if they came from an agency or something, as they added about 50 odd of them in one hit yesterday.
 
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JohnN said:
I've not watched it though yet, but lets not kid ourselves, the XT2 is not as good as the D500 for what it does best, sports - that said if you were to compare them on day to day use, never needing AF adjustement or anything else mirrorless offers then it would be the winner period. That its even ballpark then thats a massive achievement.
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When you consider where Fuji were just a couple of years ago AF wise its just nuts how far its come on
 
snerkler said:
I find it intuitive enough. OK it caught me out the first time, but then after that I learnt how to do it right :whistle: ;)
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Afraid I disagree. Being able to learn something when it's poor UI design, doesn't excuse the poor UI design. A button labelled OK shouldn't mean Cancel. It's akin to having an Emergency Stop button that starts something up. You can learn not to press Stop, because it means Start in practice, but it doesn't make it "right".
 
JohnN said:
Absolutely, astonishing how far and how quickly
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Sony wont be too far behind with their next A7 III / A9 bodies if they can replicate the A6500 / A99 II 4D AF system.....
DSLR's future is uncertain .... :D
 
Simes123 said:
Afraid I disagree. Being able to learn something when it's poor UI design, doesn't excuse the poor UI design. A button labelled OK shouldn't mean Cancel. It's akin to having an Emergency Stop button that starts something up. You can learn not to press Stop, because it means Start in practice, but it doesn't make it "right".
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But it doesn't mean cancel. You change the setting to how you want it before pressing OK. OK means "okay I've set it how I want it" Being able to ignore this and decide it means something else doesn't make it a poor UI design,
 
So I just ordered a tripod. Just a cheapie since it maynot see much use, and a light mirrorless setup shouldnt tax it too much anyway.
After some scouring, I found positive things being said about the QZSD range, which are basically Chinese knockoffs, mostly of MEFOTO tripods.

I decided on the most popular model, the q666. I'd read a few months ago that although they're listed most places between £75-100, you could make silly offers to sellers on eBay and a lot of the time they'l accept.
With that in mind, I made an offer lastnight, for £35... They countered, reminding me that they retail for £75. I countered again with £37.50, which they accepted!

Time will tell if it's any good. I have a smaller MEFOTO which has been great. Will post results when it arrives.
 
Barrysprout said:
But it doesn't mean cancel. You change the setting to how you want it before pressing OK. OK means "okay I've set it how I want it" Being able to ignore this and decide it means something else doesn't make it a poor UI design,
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The fact that I've had this camera for a year and not been able to work out what it was supposed to do just by playing with suggests it's not the ideal UI :-)
 
dave.hallett said:
The fact that I've had this camera for a year and not been able to work out what it was supposed to do just by playing with suggests it's not the ideal UI :)
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I've never had a problem, that would suggest otherwise. Obviously it's down to the individual user but if something didn't work as I expected it to the first thing I'd be doing is making sure it wasn't faulty by reading the instructions/experimenting.
 
Barrysprout said:
But it doesn't mean cancel. You change the setting to how you want it before pressing OK. OK means "okay I've set it how I want it" Being able to ignore this and decide it means something else doesn't make it a poor UI design,
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That's a fair point. I do agree with that. There is a human factors issue at play here I feel though (I've worked in aviation industry as an engineer for a number of years and UI is important in consistent controls in a cockpit for example). We are used to dealing with icons in all walks of life - ie navigating to an icon (4 way pad), selecting an icon (what I would prefer to be the OK button), then adjusting a parameter as a result of that step. Pretty much every UI on an electronic device, or a computer follows that paradigm. The model here is perhaps akin to hover over the icon (4 way pad), adjust while hovering, using a different wheel away from the navigational control, go back to the navigational control, and choose OK. It might be because I've come from a Canon, where the Q menu works as you might expect. You can navigate the sections in the Q menu, then you choose OK to highlight the "icon"/parameter, then adjust using scroll wheels. While I'm getting used to it, it causes me to pause to think, rather than being intuitive. There is no need for the OK button to do anything other than affirm the action, rather than cancel the Q menu, as the back button below the navigation pad also performs that, as does touching the shutter button etc.
 
Barrysprout said:
I've never had a problem, that would suggest otherwise. Obviously it's down to the individual user but if something didn't work as I expected it to the first thing I'd be doing is making sure it wasn't faulty by reading the instructions/experimenting.
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I never had to read the manual for core operational UI functions on any of my Canon's, but I've had to continuously refer to it with the Fuji. I don't see that as a user issue, as much as it is UI issues. Good UI design results in intuitive operations that don't require a leap to instructions, generally.
 
Simes123 said:
That's a fair point. I do agree with that. There is a human factors issue at play here I feel though (I've worked in aviation industry as an engineer for a number of years and UI is important in consistent controls in a cockpit for example). We are used to dealing with icons in all walks of life - ie navigating to an icon (4 way pad), selecting an icon (what I would prefer to be the OK button), then adjusting a parameter as a result of that step. Pretty much every UI on an electronic device, or a computer follows that paradigm. The model here is perhaps akin to hover over the icon (4 way pad), adjust while hovering, using a different wheel away from the navigational control, go back to the navigational control, and choose OK. It might be because I've come from a Canon, where the Q menu works as you might expect. You can navigate the sections in the Q menu, then you choose OK to highlight the "icon"/parameter, then adjust using scroll wheels. While I'm getting used to it, it causes me to pause to think, rather than being intuitive. There is no need for the OK button to do anything other than affirm the action, rather than cancel the Q menu, as the back button below the navigation pad also performs that, as does touching the shutter button etc.
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All true, as I said above it's never been a problem for me (luckily) in a couple of weeks it won't be for you either I'm sure. Basically what is missing from the sequence is a "select" button, but to add that would mean an extra button and an extra button press for something that we have already highlighted on the q menu.
 
Simes123 said:
I never had to read the manual for core operational UI functions on any of my Canon's, but I've had to continuously refer to it with the Fuji. I don't see that as a user issue, as much as it is UI issues. Good UI design results in intuitive operations that don't require a leap to instructions, generally.
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If you think about it, the QM is actually more streamlined as you're not having to hit okay before you adjust a setting, simply turn the thumb wheel and bobs yer uncle! [Beaten to it by @Barrysprout ]

Okay, slightly sarcastic perhaps. I do agree it's counter intuitive as I still get caught out by it occasionally. For how many times I use the Q menu though, I don't particularly care tbh.
 
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Ian W said:
If you think about it, the UK is actually more streamlined as you're not having to hit okay before you adjust a setting, simply turn the thumb wheel and bobs yer uncle! [Beaten to it by @Barrysprout ]

Okay, slightly sarcastic perhaps. I do agree it's counter intuitive as I still get caught out by it occasionally. For how many times I use the Q menu though, I don't particularly care tbh.
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I agree - I think actually the Canon allows either option. You can navigate using the joystick for example and the currently selected Q menu item is highlighted, you can spin a scroll wheel and the setting is changed and you can shoot immediately with a half press of the shutter button with no extra steps. If you press the Set/Select button while the item in the Q menu is highlighted, it brings up a second screen where you can again adjust using the scroll wheel. On the Fuji, that select/set process makes the menu disappear, forcing you to press Q again (and curse) :) None of these are deal breakers, just annoyances. I think it's valid to wish it were more intuitive, better handling, even if the product is livable with as is. Given that Fuji do seem to invest in improvements to the Camera, it requires it's User base to challenge and ask for improvements rather than accept the status quo. These are all things that could easily be tweaked to make a great camera, exceptional. I wish the Q menu were actually more useful - I used to like it on the Canon as a really quick reference screen to see how the camera was set up currently in overview, whatever I was doing, however dark it was. I do miss that option. My only real grumbles with the X-T2 are all related to handling/UI thus far. I like it a lot and have committed to the system wholeheartedly.
 
Doc said:
Recently purchased a Fuji X-E2S and would like to add a grip "thingy".

Thinking about this one plus thumb grip:-

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Neewer®-Release-Fujifilm-Arca-Swiss-Standard/dp/B00L4R5CZ6/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1479670137&sr=8-10&keywords=fuji+x-e2+accessories

Any thoughts/improvements on above - don't want to spend silly money

Thanks
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Doc (John), I have one of those sat on my desk from my X-E1 (now sold) doing nothing, if you put a wanted ad up in the Classified Wanted, I'll respond with a 'nice' price!!. They are good still have one on my X-E2
 
badboy1984 said:
I'm happy with my XT1. Looking at WEX price on the black XT1 and Silver XT1, I think I got a good deal on my Graphite Silver XT1. I paid £500 for a mint condition Graphite Silver XT1.

Tempting for another lens already lol. The 18-55 f2.8-f4 is tempting.
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Very good price. eBay?
 
Simes123 said:
Afraid I disagree. Being able to learn something when it's poor UI design, doesn't excuse the poor UI design. A button labelled OK shouldn't mean Cancel. It's akin to having an Emergency Stop button that starts something up. You can learn not to press Stop, because it means Start in practice, but it doesn't make it "right".
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That's fine to disagree, and I don't find it a poor design. It actually means there's one less step. And it's not unusual for an OK button to back you out of a menu. Every camera I've had the OK button can either confirm a function, cancel a function, or take you back out of a menu depending on what menu/function you're in. If you had a separate confirm, cancel and back button for everything the camera would be littered with buttons and it'd be even more confusing. Of course, this is just my opinion and yours obviously varies (y)
 
dave.hallett said:
The fact that I've had this camera for a year and not been able to work out what it was supposed to do just by playing with suggests it's not the ideal UI :)
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Don't buy an Olympus then, the Fuji reads your mind compared to the Olly UI ;)
 
snerkler said:
Don't buy an Olympus then, the Fuji reads your mind compared to the Olly UI ;)
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So true. That's one of the main reasons I left Olympus after 8 years.
 
Simes123 said:
I never had to read the manual for core operational UI functions on any of my Canon's, but I've had to continuously refer to it with the Fuji. I don't see that as a user issue, as much as it is UI issues. Good UI design results in intuitive operations that don't require a leap to instructions, generally.
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TBH I've never really had to refer to the manual for any brand I've had (Nikon, Sony, Canon, Fuji) except Olympus. Maybe there's been the odd obscure thing, but generally I've not had an issue tbh. The most intuitive to me is Nikon, but I think this is more just familiarity rather than it being a better UI per se.
 
Simes123 said:
I agree - I think actually the Canon allows either option. You can navigate using the joystick for example and the currently selected Q menu item is highlighted, you can spin a scroll wheel and the setting is changed and you can shoot immediately with a half press of the shutter button with no extra steps. If you press the Set/Select button while the item in the Q menu is highlighted, it brings up a second screen where you can again adjust using the scroll wheel. On the Fuji, that select/set process makes the menu disappear, forcing you to press Q again (and curse) :) None of these are deal breakers, just annoyances. I think it's valid to wish it were more intuitive, better handling, even if the product is livable with as is. Given that Fuji do seem to invest in improvements to the Camera, it requires it's User base to challenge and ask for improvements rather than accept the status quo. These are all things that could easily be tweaked to make a great camera, exceptional. I wish the Q menu were actually more useful - I used to like it on the Canon as a really quick reference screen to see how the camera was set up currently in overview, whatever I was doing, however dark it was. I do miss that option. My only real grumbles with the X-T2 are all related to handling/UI thus far. I like it a lot and have committed to the system wholeheartedly.
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But isn't this just your familiarity with Canon and muscles memory rather than being poor UI from Fuji per se?
 
My biggest gripe with the Fuji menu system is not being able to go back to the menu selection you were just in when you press the menu button again, Instead it takes you to the top menu function and you have to scroll through the menus again. Every now and again it does take me back to the menu I was just using though, very bizarre and definitely something they need to address imo. On other cameras you can select whether to return to a default menu option, or to the last used option.
 
snerkler said:
My biggest gripe with the Fuji menu system is not being able to go back to the menu selection you were just in when you press the menu button again, Instead it takes you to the top menu function and you have to scroll through the menus again. Every now and again it does take me back to the menu I was just using though, very bizarre and definitely something they need to address imo. On other cameras you can select whether to return to a default menu option, or to the last used option.
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I'd agree with this, but if you put your commonly used functions in My Menu, it always goes to MyMenu first.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
I'd agree with this, but if you put your commonly used functions in My Menu, it always goes to MyMenu first.
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Good to know, I've not played with mymenu yet. Dunno why tbh as it's a godsend on my Nikon o_O
 
snerkler said:
That's fine to disagree, and I don't find it a poor design. It actually means there's one less step. And it's not unusual for an OK button to back you out of a menu. Every camera I've had the OK button can either confirm a function, cancel a function, or take you back out of a menu depending on what menu/function you're in. If you had a separate confirm, cancel and back button for everything the camera would be littered with buttons and it'd be even more confusing. Of course, this is just my opinion and yours obviously varies (y)
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There is a separate cancel/back out button, so it meets your "it'd be even more confusing" criteria :)
 
snerkler said:
But isn't this just your familiarity with Canon and muscles memory rather than being poor UI from Fuji per se?
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Possibly, yes. Not just Canon, pretty much every bit of electronica and computing gear I own, but if you are happy, that's fine too.
 
@dave.hallett Re: Adobe redeem code. I found out the hard way that you need to sign in and redeem the code before installing LR/PS. I'm not sure what you would do if you already have it installed from a previous license.
 
ASH said:
@dave.hallett Re: Adobe redeem code. I found out the hard way that you need to sign in and redeem the code before installing LR/PS. I'm not sure what you would do if you already have it installed from a previous license.
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OK, thanks for the heads up. My expectation is that when my sub expires, I'll just redeem the code on the Adobe site and get a new one. We shall see... :-)
 
snerkler said:
Don't buy an Olympus then, the Fuji reads your mind compared to the Olly UI ;)
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I hear Sony are pretty bad too, but I have no experience of either. On the whole, I find the X-T10 extremely easy to use. It's just the Q menu thing that confused me. But I never actually needed it, which also tells you something good about Fuji. Or possibly about me :-)
 
dave.hallett said:
I hear Sony are pretty bad too, but I have no experience of either. On the whole, I find the X-T10 extremely easy to use. It's just the Q menu thing that confused me. But I never actually needed it, which also tells you something good about Fuji. Or possibly about me :)
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Having owned the A7, A7II and A7RII I can confirm the GUI / UI is a mess..... one of the things I didn't like but Sony have improved the GUI / UI on their newer bodies and they may apply this to the existing models via firmware upgrade.
The Fuji GUI is great and it reminds me of my original X100 bit I still think the Nikon system is better....
Brand's aside I think you can always get used to each system with a little time.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Thinking about it, it might be an X-T2 thing, not sure you have it on X-T1, oh well you'll upgrade at some point..........

(BTW the missing cap is going in the post today!)
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Ahh, that'll make sense why I've not set it up then :lol:

Thanks, I'll let you know when it arrives.
 
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