The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

BADGER.BRAD said:
What would I get from a A6600 that I cannot from a A6000 for stills ? I have a a6000 which I am really happy with but just wondered what I would really gain !
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One thing would be silent shooting as AFAIK the A6000 doesn't do it.
 
robj20 said:
Thinking I might give On1 ago instead of Lightroom as it's coming up to that time where is have to pay for another year of Lightroom.

Anyone use On1? Or is it worth giving Capture One another go these days.
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I used it for a 'job' recently instead of lightroom and was quite pleased. The noise reduction tool is very good indeed, and generally I was happy with the results. I plan to use it alongside LR, rather than as a replacement.
 
f/2.8 said:
Next to useless because of banding
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That'd only be under flickering artificial lighting surely?

I've never seen a banding issue unless under those conditions and of course a silent shutter can be useful when not under flickering lighting.
 
woof woof said:
That'd only be under flickering artificial lighting surely?

I've never seen a banding issue unless under those conditions and of course a silent shutter can be useful when not under flickering lighting.
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Nope happens a lot in backlit situations as well.

Only the A9 series or the A1 is useful using the electronic shutter.

You haven’t used any of the Sonys with an electronic shutter.
 
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woof woof said:
Are we talking shot ruining here or something you see in a small % of the frame or when pixel peeping?
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Shot ruining in most cases and that doesn’t even take into consideration what happens when using the electronic shutter on the other Sony’s with moving subjects.
 
f/2.8 said:
Nope happens a lot in backlit situations as well.

Only the A9 series or the A1 is useful using the electronic shutter.

You haven’t used any of the Sonys with an electronic shutter.
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Is this just a Sony thing then as I’ve shot many times with Nikon and Olympus with electronic shutters without any issues? I’ve also shot with the A7RIV using electronic shutter but can’t remember off the top of my head whether any were backlit.

I’ve seen multiple examples of banding with backlit scenes but this is due to on sensor PDAF not electronic shutters (y)
 
woof woof said:
Are we talking shot ruining here or something you see in a small % of the frame or when pixel peeping?
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When I used to shoot jazz in the church the banding was terrible on my A7 III, even editing to B&W was useless. Never had it happen on my Fuji X ages ago.
 
woof woof said:
Are we talking shot ruining here or something you see in a small % of the frame or when pixel peeping?
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Well I use silent shutter 99% of the time and I haven't spotted anything that's ruining my shots. I'd say this is one of those mountain, mole hill things. Again.
Banding can be a problem but it's just another thing to keep in mind, so for artificial light it's matching the frequency.
 
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robj20 said:
Well I use silent shutter 99% of the time and I haven't spotted anything that's ruining my shots. I'd say this is one of those mountain, mole hill things. Again.
Banding can be a problem but it's just another thing to keep in mind, so for artificial light it's matching the frequency.
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Sensor readout on the A7 makes using the silent shutter useless for anything that moves at any sort of speed. I assume you shoot static objects
 
Mike.P said:
Are we talking rolling shutter rather than banding when shooting fast moving subjects with ES ( or are they the same thing)

Rolling shutter is the main reason I went for another a9 over the newer bodies (apart from the A1 which I am too tight to pay for)
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There is a mint A1 in camera world for £4499 if you or anyone here is interested.
 
robj20 said:
Well I use silent shutter 99% of the time and I haven't spotted anything that's ruining my shots. I'd say this is one of those mountain, mole hill things. Again.
Banding can be a problem but it's just another thing to keep in mind, so for artificial light it's matching the frequency.
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After setting the date and time when I have a new camera, the next thing I do is put them on silent.
 
f/1.4 said:
Sensor readout on the A7 makes using the silent shutter useless for anything that moves at any sort of speed. I assume you shoot static objects
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If you call an 18 month and 4 year old static then yes, only static.

I wouldn't go shooting fan blades with the electronic shutter. But that's not banding which is what we were talking about wasn't it.

As long as you know the limitations, the electronic shutter is certainly not "useless" as some have made out.
 
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robj20 said:
If you call an 18 month and 4 year old static then yes, only static.

I wouldn't go shooting fan blades with the electronic shutter. But that's not banding which is what we were talking about wasn't it.

As long as you know the limitations, the electronic shutter is certainly not "useless" as some have made out.
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lol ok
 
robj20 said:
As long as you know the limitations, the electronic shutter is certainly not "useless" as some have made out.
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Not some, only I have said its useless.

Do you really believe I don't know the limitations of the camera bodies I own and use every day?

Even though I shoot over a million fames a year as does my missus and over the last lot of years have owned 4 x A7III's, 3 x A7IV's, 2 x A7RIV's, 1x A7RIII and an A6400 and that is not counting the bodies we have had over that same time frame that have a usable electronic shutter,

Don't want to sound like a t*** and I never blow my own trumpet in terms of my capabilities as a photographer, but as you seem to be disputing my knowledge level, I have been a full time professional wedding photographer for 8 years and before that owned a reasonably successful portrait studio for two years along with a commercial photography business that employed 2 other people.

Again don't want to sound like a complete t*** but since 2017 (that is when I won my first one), I have won 21 different awards for my photography work. My photographs have been featured in over 100 different wedding blogs worldwide, my photography work has been featured in hundreds of magazines on multiple occasions. I have been interviewed by the B.B.C, U.T.V (the N.I version of I.T.V), and 2 of the local radio stations in Northern Ireland when they needed to speak to a photographer with expertise. I have also had photographs printed in several newspapers on multiple occasions including The Times, The Sun, The Daily Mirror, and pretty much every local newspaper in N.I. Both Belfast and Lisburn council areas in Northern Ireland have displayed my photography work in art exhibitions that included submissions from all over the world. Images I have taken have been purchased and used in advertising campaigns by Coca-Cola, Marks & Spencer, Allied Irish Bank, The Ulster Bank, The Hastings Hotel group, and S.S.E Airtricity and those are some of the largest businesses in Northern Ireland.

@f/1.4 can confirm that I am not making any of that up because he knows who I am in real life.

My wedding photography businesses is a recognised brand in Northern Ireland, we are one of the busiest wedding photographers in the country, I would never say best because that wouldn't be true as we have some exceptional wedding photographers here, but we certainly operate at a decent level.

I have never once until now "blown my own trumpet" on this forum in terms of my own perceived personal achievements but you can be assured that I do have the experience level to know the capabilities and limitations of the equipment we use. I would guess that only a small percentage of photographers on this forum have my experience level. I would also guess that only a few of those would have owned and used as many Sony camera bodies as I have.
 
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robj20 said:
Well I use silent shutter 99% of the time and I haven't spotted anything that's ruining my shots. I'd say this is one of those mountain, mole hill things. Again.
Banding can be a problem but it's just another thing to keep in mind, so for artificial light it's matching the frequency.
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As you may know I only have the original A7 but I do have Panasonic cameras with an electronic shutter and although they do show banding when flickering lights are present, I've noticed the worst thing for my Panasonics is the TV, the ES is still useful for when I want to shoot faster than 1/4,000 and I assume that's also the case with the A6xxx series. It's also useful when I want silent quiet place shooting when I don't think flickering lights or TV's will be an issue. I don't take many backlit shots but these I have taken have tended to only show issues in small parts of the frame.

Those relying on the gear for a living are I guess going to need to be more critical.
 
Mike.P said:
Being a bit of a Pentax fan I have always wanted to try the Ricoh GR III ... One day maybe I will.
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After all the troubles I've had over the last couple of years I've recently decided that life is short and if an experience or a thing might just make me happy I'll go for it :D
 
woof woof said:
After all the troubles I've had over the last couple of years I've recently decided that life is short and if an experience or a thing might just make me happy I'll go for it :D
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I imagine you have the same sort of problems that we have with our son. We have been unable to do much (if anything tbh) for the last 25 years, you have to get a little enjoyment out of life wherever you can.
 
woof woof said:
After all the troubles I've had over the last couple of years I've recently decided that life is short and if an experience or a thing might just make me happy I'll go for it :D
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Just my thoughts as well, if we enjoy it then go for it.
 
woof woof said:
As you may know I only have the original A7 but I do have Panasonic cameras with an electronic shutter and although they do show banding when flickering lights are present, I've noticed the worst thing for my Panasonics is the TV, the ES is still useful for when I want to shoot faster than 1/4,000 and I assume that's also the case with the A6xxx series. It's also useful when I want silent quiet place shooting when I don't think flickering lights or TV's will be an issue. I don't take many backlit shots but these I have taken have tended to only show issues in small parts of the frame.

Those relying on the gear for a living are I guess going to need to be more critical.
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Worst camera I have used to see banding is mobile phones. Usually when I'm taking a photo of a screen at work. But like any camera adjust the shutter speed to suite the frequency and the issue either goes away completely or is reduced so much it's a non issue.

Looking forward to seeing what you have treated yourself too.
 
robj20 said:
Worst camera I have used to see banding is mobile phones. Usually when I'm taking a photo of a screen at work. But like any camera adjust the shutter speed to suite the frequency and the issue either goes away completely or is reduced so much it's a non issue.

Looking forward to seeing what you have treated yourself too.
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It's nothing special and to be honest it might be up for sale PDQ as it has a zoom lens and these new fangled things just confuse me and I end up reaching for a 35mm.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
See if you can keep it longer than Dave keeps his gear.....:p
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Once it arrives I'll test it and if everything works and if it hasn't got a blizzard of contamination on the sensor I might put it away and Mrs WW can give it to me as a Christmas prezzie... so it might live here for a few months :D
 
woof woof said:
Once it arrives I'll test it and if everything works and if it hasn't got a blizzard of contamination on the sensor I might put it away and Mrs WW can give it to me as a Christmas prezzie... so it might live here for a few months :D
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I think for Christmas im going to ask for a Peak Design Sling 3L.
 
I had to look up what banding was as I had thought banding to be video related but I can confirm on some shots ( I've never really noticed what type of shots) I have had banding which I've noticed in the skies ! This was using the a6000 but I cannot say I've ever seen this on my other digital cameras ( Point and shoot) Now I've said that I'm going to see it on all the shots.
 
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A problem I do get with the Sony a6000 and the kit lens is lens flare if I'm towards the sun , all I have is a UV filter to protect the glass, Is there anything that can be done about this ?
 
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