The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

Mr Perceptive said:
Probably only the options on your new car.............................. :ROFLMAO: :p:ROFLMAO:
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Tbh the options were much more than that, just glad I didn’t pay for them :eek:
 
jonneymendoza said:
Well you ain't going on holiday abroad any time soon so use that cash you would have used to go on holiday abroad for a new camera instead hehe
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Would you like to run that one by my wife :lol:
 
snerkler said:
I've done it and forgot and then realised that I'd shot everything in compressed by mistake. Not a major issue as you can't tell on most occasions. The A1 solves this of course by having lossless compressed (y)
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I told you you needed one.... :LOL:
 
So, now I've had a chance to actually try out the camera and it's a beast, oh that AF! lol

The menus are actually ok, I didn't mind the A6000 so this is just a little more, er full? The favourite menu section will be a welcome area.

But, what's with the dark bits when using electronic shutter at the faster fps? Is that the roller shutter thing, because I thought the A9 wasn't affected by this and I also though that was video only? When I turn it down to medium fps (still fast) it goes away.
 
gman said:
So, now I've had a chance to actually try out the camera and it's a beast, oh that AF! lol

The menus are actually ok, I didn't mind the A6000 so this is just a little more, er full? The favourite menu section will be a welcome area.

But, what's with the dark bits when using electronic shutter at the faster fps? Is that the roller shutter thing, because I thought the A9 wasn't affected by this and I also though that was video only? When I turn it down to medium fps (still fast) it goes away.
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There shouldn’t be any dark bits, unless you’re using flash or under led lights? Can you post examples?
 
gman said:
So, now I've had a chance to actually try out the camera and it's a beast, oh that AF! lol

The menus are actually ok, I didn't mind the A6000 so this is just a little more, er full? The favourite menu section will be a welcome area.

But, what's with the dark bits when using electronic shutter at the faster fps? Is that the roller shutter thing, because I thought the A9 wasn't affected by this and I also though that was video only? When I turn it down to medium fps (still fast) it goes away.
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Rolling shutter won't fully go away until we have global sensors.
Technically even a mechanical shutter has the effect but due to their speed its a non issue.

You can definitely already make a global sensor but not suitable for a hand-held camera yet. Limited by power really.
 
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gman said:
So, now I've had a chance to actually try out the camera and it's a beast, oh that AF! lol

The menus are actually ok, I didn't mind the A6000 so this is just a little more, er full? The favourite menu section will be a welcome area.

But, what's with the dark bits when using electronic shutter at the faster fps? Is that the roller shutter thing, because I thought the A9 wasn't affected by this and I also though that was video only? When I turn it down to medium fps (still fast) it goes away.
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Do you mean the outer flashing box on the edge of the VF if so it's to show your shooting .

Rob.
 
robj20 said:
Rolling shutter won't fully go away until we have global sensors.
Technically even a mechanical shutter has the effect but due to their speed its a non issue.

You can definitely already make a global sensor but not suitable for a hand-held camera yet. Limited by power really.
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There are plenty of industrial global shutter cameras (even capable of high frame rates), I use them everyday at work but all are 24v or PoE powered and output via GigE or Cameralink - most are mono (as generally thats all that is required for automated inspection systems)
 
snerkler said:
There shouldn’t be any dark bits, unless you’re using flash or under led lights? Can you post examples?
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Could be led lights, everything is led in my house. I'll try with daylight tomorrow. Cheers
 
GyRob said:
Do you mean the outer flashing box on the edge of the VF if so it's to show your shooting .

Rob.
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It's like a dark horizontal shadow which seems to roll down the images.
 
Malfis said:
I still have some excellent quality legacy Pentax lenses.
They range from Super Multi Coated Takumars like the 50mm f1.4, 85mm f1.8 and 105mm f2.8 (All screw mount M42).
Also Carl Zeiss Jena 35mm f2.4 Flektagon (M42) as well as some later F and FA Primes.
I've bought a couple of M42 and Pentax K adapters to now try these lovely old lenses with my A7iii and A7Riv to see if they stand the test of time.
If anyone else has similar PK lenses I'd be interested to hear of their experiences.

This one shot this afternoon with the A73 and Pentax F 28mm f2.8. (The church clock obviously is not working!)

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You can't go wrong with any of the K series primes, I have them all, I love the 30mm F2.8 and the 135 f2.6 for its buttery bokeh.
 
I know it’s the wrong thread but I can’t find any definitive info whether the R5 has blackout free shooting and no rolling shutter, anyone know?
 
snerkler said:
I know it’s the wrong thread but I can’t find any definitive info whether the R5 has blackout free shooting and no rolling shutter, anyone know?
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I thought I read/heard that both the R5 & R6 suffer badly with rolling shutter
 
snerkler said:
I know it’s the wrong thread but I can’t find any definitive info whether the R5 has blackout free shooting and no rolling shutter, anyone know?
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Rolling shutter - yes
For me equally big problem is how bad the dynamic range is with electronic shutter

Photographic Dynamic Range versus ISO Setting

photonstophotos.net

As for blackout free shooting, I know it can do blackout free off the LCD screen but not sure about EVF (also can't find details)
But the electronic shutter is basically useless for most of my uses with the first two limitations.
 
NewBeetle said:
I thought I read/heard that both the R5 & R6 suffer badly with rolling shutter
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nandbytes said:
Rolling shutter - yes
For me equally big problem is how bad the dynamic range is with electronic shutter

Photographic Dynamic Range versus ISO Setting

photonstophotos.net

As for blackout free shooting, I know it can do blackout free off the LCD screen but not sure about EVF (also can't find details)
But the electronic shutter is basically useless for most of my uses with the first two limitations.
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Thanks for the info, I wasn’t aware of the DR issues. If it can do blackout free with the LCD I can’t see why the EVF would be any different?
 
snerkler said:
Thanks for the info, I wasn’t aware of the DR issues. If it can do blackout free with the LCD I can’t see why the EVF would be any different?
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They are higher res generally so maybe not the same. Perhaps it can do EVF blackout free too but I don't know for sure.
In any case electronic shutter isn't ideal on R5.
I have also seen reports on banding issues with electronic shutter.
 
nandbytes said:
Rolling shutter - yes
For me equally big problem is how bad the dynamic range is with electronic shutter

Photographic Dynamic Range versus ISO Setting

photonstophotos.net

As for blackout free shooting, I know it can do blackout free off the LCD screen but not sure about EVF (also can't find details)
But the electronic shutter is basically useless for most of my uses with the first two limitations.
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Just had a look at that site, how reliable is it as I’ve just had a look at the A7R4 which that site shows as worse than the R5, and the A9-II is as bad as the R5 with ES :eek: All readings are lower than DXO.

I never actually realised that using ES affected DR, I take from this that you want to use mechanical for landscapes?
 
snerkler said:
Is it one big shadow or lots of lines like this?

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Like one big shadow, but definitely confirmed now as being the LED lights. I tried it elsewhere away from LED and it was fine thankfully.

But now, somehow, I've lost tracking when in video. I'm sure I could focus on a head and then it would track it (with a green box), but tracking-af is greyed out. It will detect heads with a grey square and focus on the nearest one, unless I prod a different head in the screen.

I started setting up the custom buttons and was impressed with amount of customisation, but I didn't realise you could scroll to the right and it suddenly opens up a whole new set of other custom buttons, and then another page lol Jesus, how am I supposed to remember all these custom buttons!
 
gman said:
Like one big shadow, but definitely confirmed now as being the LED lights. I tried it elsewhere away from LED and it was fine thankfully.

But now, somehow, I've lost tracking when in video. I'm sure I could focus on a head and then it would track it (with a green box), but tracking-af is greyed out. It will detect heads with a grey square and focus on the nearest one, unless I prod a different head in the screen.

I started setting up the custom buttons and was impressed with amount of customisation, but I didn't realise you could scroll to the right and it suddenly opens up a whole new set of other custom buttons, and then another page lol Jesus, how am I supposed to remember all these custom buttons!
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Can’t help with video I’m afraid, but yes there’s a lot of different functions.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Well you ain't going on holiday abroad any time soon so use that cash you would have used to go on holiday abroad for a new camera instead hehe
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That's my possibly flawed way of thinking. This time last year I bought a new laptop for travelling and went to buy a newer car because for the first time in many years I could actually take holidays and had a few drives planned to the continent and some other ones. Thankfully the sales person was so awful they talked me out of the car because that would have been a terrible waste of money and I can't see I'll be doing much travelling this year so won't be replacing the car this year either. Particularly over the last year I've had a lot of enjoyment from the cameras and pedal bikes so feeling a bit justified to treat myself on the camera front.
 
Well today is the day youtube vloggers are allowed to release their Sony A1 test photos and video footage. Nothing up yet but I expect Jared Polin and the Northrups to be the first.
 
Hopefully someone who's less hypocritical than Northrup will give some useful details on the birdAF.
I am hoping dpreview will say something.... Or may be someone like Dustin Abbott
 
snerkler said:
Just had a look at that site, how reliable is it as I’ve just had a look at the A7R4 which that site shows as worse than the R5, and the A9-II is as bad as the R5 with ES :eek: All readings are lower than DXO.

I never actually realised that using ES affected DR, I take from this that you want to use mechanical for landscapes?
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yes you should almost as always want to use mechanical for landscapes. No reason not to especially with EFCS to avoid shutter shake.

So the measurements given on photonstophotos is photographic dynamic range (PDR).
The website is maintained by a professor at Harvard (Bill Claff), his explanation of PDR vs. DXO is given here:

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His measurements are generally more reliable and accurate (I think with 5-10% margin according to Bill) than DXO. The error is kinda unavoidable because he builds his graphs from samples provided to him by various people (he doesn't and cannot afford all those bodies). You could contribute too if you wanted, its not hard and you can also do his measurements yourself. He will give you exact instruction on how to do both but being humans and all there will some minor errors here and there (in fact the instruction might now be on his website). But DXO is sometime just wrong, for example it doesn't even show the dual gain in dynamic range on some of the sensors. Plus there are many inconsistencies on DXO, for example the dynamic range of A99II is lower than that of A7RII on DXO even though Sony explicitly stated both bodies basically used the same sensor and processor.
In fact you can even contact Bill via. email or dpreview and he'll reply back to you clearing any doubt or concerns you have with measurements. So there is transparency in everything he does as supposed to DXO which is a blackbox.

A9's dynamic range was never great which is why it never interested me and still doesn't. Couldn't care less for it. If you want to see a dynamic range even worst have a look at D5 or D6. These bodies aren't built with high dynamic range in mind but for performing really well at high ISO for sport-togs. They do that pretty well. Personally I never shoot above ISO6400, only like 5-10% of my pics are between ISO3200-6400. So I only care about low ISO dynamic range for most bodies.

Based on his margin of errors, I wouldn't say A7RIV is better or worst than R5 (going by graphs alone that is). BUT one thing to note about R5 is that they are using some kind of baked in noise reduction at lower ISOs to "artificially" boost the dynamic range (denoted with the reverse triangles in the photonstophotos DPR graphs). So they are likely to have slightly less detail and perform not as well as other bodies with equal dynamic range and resolution like the Z7 or A7RIII/IV.
you can see the effect of that compared here on dpreview:
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I just realised I spend far too much time reading these things :ROFLMAO:
 
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