The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

I thought I'd try out the A6500 for some garden bird shots today and give the A9 a rest. The IQ was surprisingly good IMHO (others may disagree :D ) and the images cleaned up quite nicely using the Topaz DeNoise Ai discussed on here. I was hoping for the light to be really poor to test the Topaz but the sun kept coming out! I won't be doing it again though, the AF was atrocious, I'm obviously spoilt by the A9. I did appreciate the crop factor bringing me "closer".
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Greenfinch ISO1600

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Blue tit ISO1600

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Robin ISO2000
 
I might be being thick here, but where has the term Snapograph come from?

Its just my name concoction for Snap & Photograph, nothing more than that.
 
Try using fast raw viewer to sort images....
You can set the record button so it only works when in video mode.
I use the af on button and the ael button for bbf.
The af on uses whatever setting I'm using, and the ael is set up for fast tracking so if I'm taking images that are not moving, and something appears I can use the ael button to track it...
Are you saying you have two different BBF focus buttons, each with a different focus mode?
 
I thought I'd try out the A6500 for some garden bird shots today and give the A9 a rest. The IQ was surprisingly good IMHO (others may disagree :D ) and the images cleaned up quite nicely using the Topaz DeNoise Ai discussed on here. I was hoping for the light to be really poor to test the Topaz but the sun kept coming out! I won't be doing it again though, the AF was atrocious, I'm obviously spoilt by the A9. I did appreciate the crop factor bringing me "closer".
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Greenfinch ISO1600

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Blue tit ISO1600

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Robin ISO2000
I like the first, the tones go very well together imo.
 
Are you saying you have two different BBF focus buttons, each with a different focus mode?
Yes.
One uses whatever I choose, the other is always set for fast action tracking.
I'll find the video I saw it on.....
It's a good video....the bit you want starts around 15 minutes in.
It's not just suitable for birds in flight....
View: https://youtu.be/z9hCwoSIKzc
 
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Are you saying you have two different BBF focus buttons, each with a different focus mode?

on both my A7iii and A7Riv I have two different focus areas set up.
I have AF On set up for single point, and AEL set up for wide(AF ON). This way I can easily switch from ‘bird on a stick’ to ‘birds in flight’ mode.
I hope this is the answer to the question you were asking.
 
Are you saying you have two different BBF focus buttons, each with a different focus mode?
I use one as whatever I choose and one as eye AF. I always had two set on my D850s too, it really is a great option to have and another reason to use back button/buttons focus
 
I use one as whatever I choose and one as eye AF. I always had two set on my D850s too, it really is a great option to have and another reason to use back button/buttons focus
I have one set up as I choose, and the other for fast action/bif etc, but both will use eye af if an eye is detected....
 
I use 2 too it really gives a simple way to swop i have wide as my main and flexi spot M as my second .

Rob.
 
Yes.
One uses whatever I choose, the other is always set for fast action tracking.
I'll find the video I saw it on.....
It's a good video....the bit you want starts around 15 minutes in.
It's not just suitable for birds in flight....
View: https://youtu.be/z9hCwoSIKzc
on both my A7iii and A7Riv I have two different focus areas set up.
I have AF On set up for single point, and AEL set up for wide(AF ON). This way I can easily switch from ‘bird on a stick’ to ‘birds in flight’ mode.
I hope this is the answer to the question you were asking.
I use one as whatever I choose and one as eye AF. I always had two set on my D850s too, it really is a great option to have and another reason to use back button/buttons focus
I have one set up as I choose, and the other for fast action/bif etc, but both will use eye af if an eye is detected....
Thanks guys, I’ll definitely look into this.
@wookie6262 so are you saying you don’t have different focus modes per say but one turns eye AF on/off
 
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they use the same test for most of the camera AF testing. So its somewhat standardised or at least as well as it can be for testing tracking.

Sony is getting a lot of hate in the comments, apparently the R5 is better in every way.
 
Sony is getting a lot of hate in the comments, apparently the R5 is better in every way.
If I wasn’t invested in any brand and price of lenses wasn’t an issue I’d choose the R5 (y)
 
Thanks guys, I’ll definitely look into this.
@wookie6262 so are you saying you don’t have different focus modes per say but one turns eye AF on/off
I can use one and keep eye af off and use the other if I need eye af. the one with eye af is the fully automatic wide mode.
 
If I wasn’t invested in any brand and price of lenses wasn’t an issue I’d choose the R5 (y)

Hmmm.... Not so sure. Even if I could afford the lenses it doesn't have all the lenses I'd be after.
But if the rumoured lens roadmap is accurate there is some very interesting glass round the corner.
 
If I wasn’t invested in any brand and price of lenses wasn’t an issue I’d choose the R5 (y)
Price is nearly always an issue though, I got my A7R IV and A9 for a couple of hundred more than an R5. Granted they are second hand but only had a few hundred clicks on them and look pretty much new to me. The lens choice, at least currently, is better and the lenses are a good bit cheaper and with a second hand market. 50 meg files are a bit of a pain if the resolution or crop isn't needed.
 
With the A9-II does the EVF give a real time view when using the hi shutter speed in both electronic (20fps) and mechanical shutter (10fps) or do you get the slide show view?
 
With the A9-II does the EVF give a real time view when using the hi shutter speed in both electronic (20fps) and mechanical shutter (10fps) or do you get the slide show view?

In the 20fps electronic shutter mode you get a real time view, I've not used the 10fps mechanical shutter (I've had the camera in the electronic shutter mode since I bought it) but I assume it must go into a slideshow view since the shutter will come down between each shot and block off the sensor. The electronic shutter mode is a bit weird to use initially because it doesn't feel like the camera is actually taking a picture so I'd end up taking additional photos just to make sure, the 20fps mode and 240 shot buffer initially meant I took a *lot* of photos.

There's some examples on YT if you haven't seen them, the camera is taking photos at 20fps here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZXFI-eIXk8
 
In the 20fps electronic shutter mode you get a real time view, I've not used the 10fps mechanical shutter (I've had the camera in the electronic shutter mode since I bought it) but I assume it must go into a slideshow view since the shutter will come down between each shot and block off the sensor. The electronic shutter mode is a bit weird to use initially because it doesn't feel like the camera is actually taking a picture so I'd end up taking additional photos just to make sure, the 20fps mode and 240 shot buffer initially meant I took a *lot* of photos.

There's some examples on YT if you haven't seen them, the camera is taking photos at 20fps here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZXFI-eIXk8
Thanks for this (y). With regards to the slide show view this is not due to the blackout but in other cameras at the top shutter speed it is showing the last frame rather than what is actually there, making tracking subjects very difficult. This is why I set my A7RIV to 8fps rather than 10fps so that I’m seeing the frame/subject in real time rather than seeing a split second behind, if that makes sense?
 
Hmmm.... Not so sure. Even if I could afford the lenses it doesn't have all the lenses I'd be after.
But if the rumoured lens roadmap is accurate there is some very interesting glass round the corner.
I still can't get my head round the price, relative lack of resolution, and the over heating problem. For the price of one UK R5 you could almost get 2 grey A7RIVs that don't over heat, and have more resolution and a greater array of lenses to choose from.
 
Thanks for this (y). With regards to the slide show view this is not due to the blackout but in other cameras at the top shutter speed it is showing the last frame rather than what is actually there, making tracking subjects very difficult. This is why I set my A7RIV to 8fps rather than 10fps so that I’m seeing the frame/subject in real time rather than seeing a split second behind, if that makes sense?
I mainly use my A9 on medium FPS (10FPS?) as I found I had far to many images to look through when using the full 20fps. TBH it’s great to have the 20fps for the times when there is plenty of action that I need it (which isn’t really that often). 10 FPS is generally plenty for what I do. Another reason why I end up over shooting is because of the silent shutter. By not being able to hear the shutter I find I now shoot longer burst than I did with DSLRs (I used to shoot in short bursts rather than one long burst). The great thing about the electronic shutter is that it doesn’t rack up the mechanical shutter count. Though that’s not a big issue as even the mechanical shutter has an 500,000 actuation rating. That should last me plenty of time. The silent shutter is great. I’ve found the lack of noise means animals like deer don’t prick their ears forward like they used to as there is now no noise when taking photos. So I know when the shutter is firing I’ve set the viewfinder to show a small frame of four small boxes when the shutter is firing as otherwise I don’t know the camera is working! It’s been a while since I last used the A9 so it may not be small boxes but there is something noticeable that appears in the viewfinder.

One of the main reason I moved to the A9 from the A7RIII was because of the blackout free viewfinder and lack of slideshow at the highest frame per speed as I found it hard to track fast moving subjects because of the slideshow effect at Hi+ FPS rate. When I initially encountered the slideshow effect I didn’t know what it was. At the time I was trying to photograph an air show and just gave up that day I I couldn’t track the aircraft across the sky. Very frustrating and I didn’t know it could be fixed that day!
 
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WB Sensor!.. this is interesting considering my latest look at WB issues with A9



I took know interface lag issues with the A9 - where you'd roll the dial to change aperture after taking a shot and nothing happens, you take another shot thinking you've gone from 1.4 to 3.2 or something.. and it's still 1.4

also hope it's ready to shoot quicker from turning on

Thanks for this (sarcastic) :D
 
Thanks for this (y). With regards to the slide show view this is not due to the blackout but in other cameras at the top shutter speed it is showing the last frame rather than what is actually there, making tracking subjects very difficult. This is why I set my A7RIV to 8fps rather than 10fps so that I’m seeing the frame/subject in real time rather than seeing a split second behind, if that makes sense?

I've done a little reading and see what you mean, at 10fps there's no liveview and at 8fps there is so at 10fps you're never seeing a live image so I guess you're asking is the A9's mechanical full speed mode like the 8fps with liveview or the 10fps without. I'd guess the A9's speed would be able to handle liveview at full speed, I tried switching mine to the mechanical shutter and fired off some bursts but it's difficult to see how well it's tracking just mucking about indoors.

The AF aside I'd be concerned the A9-II is too big a step down in IQ given it has a lot less pixels and your shots here take good advantage of the high resolution R sensor.
 
I still can't get my head round the price, relative lack of resolution, and the over heating problem. For the price of one UK R5 you could almost get 2 grey A7RIVs that don't over heat, and have more resolution and a greater array of lenses to choose from.

Its all about maximising the AF performance with highest res possible. That really helps with wildlife and birds.
if you don't care for AF and/or mostly shoot on tripod, then A7RIV is the best FF option.
 
I mainly use my A9 on medium FPS (10FPS?) as I found I had far to many images to look through when using the full 20fps. TBH it’s great to have the 20fps for the times when there is plenty of action that I need it (which isn’t really that often). 10 FPS is generally plenty for what I do. Another reason why I end up over shooting is because of the silent shutter. By not being able to hear the shutter I find I now shoot longer burst than I did with DSLRs (I used to shoot in short bursts rather than one long burst). The great thing about the electronic shutter is that it doesn’t rack up the mechanical shutter count. Though that’s not a big issue as even the mechanical shutter has an 500,000 actuation rating. That should last me plenty of time. The silent shutter is great. I’ve found the lack of noise means animals like deer don’t prick their ears forward like they used to as there is now no noise when taking photos. So I know when the shutter is firing I’ve set the viewfinder to show a small frame of four small boxes when the shutter is firing as otherwise I don’t know the camera is working! It’s been a while since I last used the A9 so it may not be small boxes but there is something noticeable that appears in the viewfinder.

One of the main reason I moved to the A9 from the A7RIII was because of the blackout free viewfinder and lack of slideshow at the highest frame per speed as I found it hard to track fast moving subjects because of the slideshow effect at Hi+ FPS rate. When I initially encountered the slideshow effect I didn’t know what it was. At the time I was trying to photograph an air show and just gave up that day I I couldn’t track the aircraft across the sky. Very frustrating and I didn’t know it could be fixed that day!
Thanks for this, I appreciate it. The first time I encountered the slide show effect was with the Olympus EM1 and just thought it was a case of mirrorless being poor at tracking compared to DSLR, as soon as I found out about the slide show effect it changed my view completely.
I've done a little reading and see what you mean, at 10fps there's no liveview and at 8fps there is so at 10fps you're never seeing a live image so I guess you're asking is the A9's mechanical full speed mode like the 8fps with liveview or the 10fps without. I'd guess the A9's speed would be able to handle liveview at full speed, I tried switching mine to the mechanical shutter and fired off some bursts but it's difficult to see how well it's tracking just mucking about indoors.

The AF aside I'd be concerned the A9-II is too big a step down in IQ given it has a lot less pixels and your shots here take good advantage of the high resolution R sensor.
Thanks. The decrease in IQ is a concern for sure, the main reason I did this was so that I could use the 100-400mm lens and crop instead of a 150-600mm or the Sony 200-600mm and save weight. However over the past year, and certainly the past few weeks the high pixel count and the camera have become more of a nuisance than a benefit.

Firstly, LR has always been incredibly slow with the 61mp files, and I don't think it's the size of the file per se but just the fact it's having to process 61mp as it's slow whether I convert to dng (lossless compression) or compressed files. Even opening full res processed files on my computer causes a lag before it renders properly

Secondly, as you'll be aware a lot of the functions on the Sony cameras don't work whilst the card is written to and the buffer takes quite a while to offload on the A7RIV. I know you get this on all Sonys but I'd assume that it's less on cameras with much smaller files. I don't plan on shooting 20fps very often so it's not as though I'll have double the files to offload.

Thirdly, and I don't know if this is isolated to the A7RIV tbh, when reviewing images on the camera there's a delay moving from one image to the other, and q noticeable delay viewing 1:1 which I do to check focus.

Lastly, whilst a very specific area of AF I've obviously been frustrated that I can't take the photos of my dog that I want to.

Now clearly these are all proper first world problems, I'm sure partly fuelled by GAS, and I could carry on using the A7RIV and getting images I'm perfectly happy with. I can hold my hand up and say in hind sight I probably bought the wrong camera as I bought it for a very specific reason (cropping for wildlife) and since I've had it I think I've shot wildlife twice, but you live and learn. I can always get the 1.4TC for the odd occasion I do wildlife (y)
 
Firstly, LR has always been incredibly slow with the 61mp files, and I don't think it's the size of the file per se but just the fact it's having to process 61mp as it's slow whether I convert to dng (lossless compression) or compressed files. Even opening full res processed files on my computer causes a lag before it renders properly

LR is quite memory hungry, just playing with some 50MP GFX files on my computer sees the memory usage climb from ambient to 22Gb and peaking at 27Gb - this is a Windows Machine, but suggests that 16Mb is going to cause a lot of page swapping and 32Gb is probably baseline adequate.
 
My shot ( un-edited a) at ISO 102,400 and NO noise reduction applied= Sony a7Riii

They do seem to handle noise exceptionally well - who needs ne-noise ??

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