The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

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Interesting comparison and certainly shows how it's clearly possible to design a more compact lens with the same optical specs (focal length/aperture). I'm interested to see the output and AF performance of the Samyang.
 
woof woof said:
The rumor site... new Samyang 85mm f1.4 for Canon may come for Sony too...

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sam...-it-might-come-for-sony-fe-too/#disqus_thread

All are welcome but I do wish manufacturers would design lenses specifically for the A7/9 and not just weld an adapter to a DSLR design. I suppose it may be a question of financial viability but AFAIK there have been MFT and APS-C CSC specific lenses without a built in adapter.
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It takes around 2-3 years to develop a lens. And a LOT of money. Sony will need a much bigger market share before that is even a consideration for 3rd parties imo.
 
decigallen said:
It takes around 2-3 years to develop a lens. And a LOT of money. Sony will need a much bigger market share before that is even a consideration for 3rd parties imo.
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Sigma already make 16, 19, 30 (both f/1.4 and f/2.8 variants) and 60 primes specifically for E-Mount in APS-C format, with the 19 and 30 f/2.8 both having had a redesign since original release.

It's not a case of market share - it's speed to market.
Releasing a version which is 'just' a merge of the existing lens + existing adaptor (but with the firmware replaced with a Sony specific version, rather then the Canon + Converter option) is much quicker (and also cheaper).

I'd expect to see revised versions of these with E Mount specific designs in 1-3 years, assuming Sony FF E mount continues to be successful.
 
stevelmx5 said:
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Interesting comparison and certainly shows how it's clearly possible to design a more compact lens with the same optical specs (focal length/aperture). I'm interested to see the output and AF performance of the Samyang.
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Adding the hood on the sigma is a little misleading, I guess the Samyang is a little like the Canon 85/1.2 size.
 
Faldrax said:
I'd expect to see revised versions of these with E Mount specific designs in 1-3 years, assuming Sony FF E mount continues to be successful.
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I do hope so as I like the idea of more compact lenses even if we wont get them too compact as the trend is more towards excellent lenses with their accompanying bulk and weight and because knocking out what are largely DSLR lenses with an added adapter just seems a lesser if cheaper and quicker way of doing it, and that puts me off.
 
jj_glos said:
I don't have the Sigma 85, but even with the 35 it handles so much better on the 5D4 than the A9.
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The Sony Zeiss 35/1.4 is 630g with a length of 112mm

The Canon 35L mk2 is 760g with a length of 105.5.

So The Zeiss only 6.5mm difference but 20% lighter. The flange distance makes the setup on the Sony actually smaller, with the lens lighter it is much better balance than putting the Canon 35L on the Sony via adaptor, or putting the Sigma 35A on the Sony, either native or via adaptor.
 
That 35L canon lens is particularly a large one compared to others. But it's also objectively the best in class which justifies it's size.

I have a love-hate relationship with Sony Zeiss 35/1.4
 
nandbytes said:
That 35L canon lens is particularly a large one compared to others. But it's also objectively the best in class which justifies it's size.

I have a love-hate relationship with Sony Zeiss 35/1.4
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The Canon is the best, on every measure, but it is also the most expensive too. The Sony, and the others, all play 2nd fiddle.
 
Raymond Lin said:
The Canon is the best, on every measure, but it is also the most expensive too. The Sony, and the others, all play 2nd fiddle.
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3x more expensive than the Sigma.

That's a lot.... Plus add an mc11.... and it won't AF as well.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
The Canon is the best, on every measure, but it is also the most expensive too. The Sony, and the others, all play 2nd fiddle.
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Actually I felt Sony has better rendering/bokeh of the lot. Since you have both you could post a like for like comparison shot of this :D
 
Could do with a cheap option for a long zoom/large range lens. My initial thought is these.

Tamron AF 70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di LD MACRO 1:2 lens for Sony/Minolta A-Mount at £92.

or

Sigma 70-300mm f4-5.6 Macro DG Lens For Sony Digital SLR Cameras at £154.

Also the Tamron 18-200mm f3.5-6.3 Di II Lens - Sony A Mount, more expensive at £197 not sure if i would miss the long end.

Plus the Sony LAEA3 adapter at £129.

Does the Tamron have a motor or would it require the more expensive LAEA4 adapter.

This might be an option as well.

Sony SEL55210 E Mount APS-C 55-210 mm F4.5-6.3 Telephoto Zoom Lens in APS mode should be similar to a 70-300m. No adapter required.
 
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robj20 said:
Could do with a cheap option for a long zoom/large range lens. My initial thought is these.

Tamron AF 70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di LD MACRO 1:2 lens for Sony/Minolta A-Mount at £92.

or

Sigma 70-300mm f4-5.6 Macro DG Lens For Sony Digital SLR Cameras at £154.

Also the Tamron 18-200mm f3.5-6.3 Di II Lens - Sony A Mount, more expensive at £197 not sure if i would miss the long end.

Plus the Sony LAEA3 adapter at £129.

Does the Tamron have a motor or would it require the more expensive LAEA4 adapter.

This might be an option as well.

Sony SEL55210 E Mount APS-C 55-210 mm F4.5-6.3 Telephoto Zoom Lens in APS mode should be similar to a 70-300m. No adapter required.
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I am not sure if any of the lenses you mentioned have a focus motor so you may need LA-EA4. Also don't forget the Minolta 100-300mm APO D lens.

My cheap telezoom at the moment is canon 100-300mm in picked up for £10 with commlite adapter I picked on this forum for £20. :D

Also tamron 18-xxx superzooms are APS-C lenses. Your are better off getting the native 55-210 or 18-200mm instead of these.
 
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I can't believe I've started to get into this adapted lenses lark.......

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A7R3 Canon 30mm F2.8 FD 1/100 f2.8 ISO 160

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A7R3 Canon 35mm f2.8 FD 1/100 f2.8 ISO 2500
just some random shots at home, must get out more and do some proper shots.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Adding the hood on the sigma is a little misleading, I guess the Samyang is a little like the Canon 85/1.2 size.
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Even without the hood it's nearly twice the length of the Samyang (including an extended throat for FE mount). Whilst the Sigma Art is an excellent lens, it will be good to see side by side comparisons of the Samyang against it
 
robj20 said:
Could do with a cheap option for a long zoom/large range lens. My initial thought is these.

Tamron AF 70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di LD MACRO 1:2 lens for Sony/Minolta A-Mount at £92.
or
Sigma 70-300mm f4-5.6 Macro DG Lens For Sony Digital SLR Cameras at £154.

Also the Tamron 18-200mm f3.5-6.3 Di II Lens - Sony A Mount, more expensive at £197 not sure if i would miss the long end.

Plus the Sony LAEA3 adapter at £129.

Does the Tamron have a motor or would it require the more expensive LAEA4 adapter.

This might be an option as well.

Sony SEL55210 E Mount APS-C 55-210 mm F4.5-6.3 Telephoto Zoom Lens in APS mode should be similar to a 70-300m. No adapter required.
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The 'best' option for an A-Mount zoom in the range you want is the Tamron 70-300 USD (which has an internal motor, so would work with the LEA-3 rather than needing the LEA-4.

It's somewhat more expensive (just over £300 new, £150-200 sold on Ebay), but considerably better than the older alternatives you listed (which would need an LEA-4, loosing a lot of their price advantage)
 
footman said:
I can't believe I've started to get into this adapted lenses lark.......
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Be careful, it can be addictive :D but it's also a cheap way of getting a nice selection of lenses.

A7 and Nikon pre AI 50mm f1.4.

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But...That's a daylight shot taken just a few minutes ago. Or rather it's what daylight is like here day after day, complete cloud cover and totally flat dead light and when it's like this I think there's little point even bothering to step outside with a camera.

Another...

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Some of the sharpnes and detail of this 100% crop will be lost posting here but on my screen the Nikon pre AI 50mm f1.4 is very sharp in the central area when stopped down a bit, wide open it's best described as dreamy :D and the vignetting is epic at f1.4 and very probably the worst I've seen with a 50mm lens. It's within the scope of CS5 to correct though.

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It's also the biggest and heaviest 50mm I have but it is very well made and the focus and aperture rings are just about perfect in operation. I think I prefer the more compact and lighter and clunkier 50mm f2 in use.
 
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