The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

T_J_G said:
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I have three 85mm lenses and a 45mm for MFT and I'm struggling to remember the last time I used any of them so very tempting though that deal is the fact is that for me it's just gas and not a need.
 
There's a bit on DPR about what Canikon should do with their mirrorless offerings...

https://www.dpreview.com/opinion/09...tm_medium=marquee&utm_campaign=traffic_source

This bit caught my attention...

"Demands (including from us) for more battery life, along with the need to handle and act as a like-for-like DSLR replacement has led to mirrorless cameras getting progressively larger. This has helped create a generation of cameras that are nearly as big as their DSLR rivals. And, with the exception of better video implementation and the mixed blessings of electronic viewfinders, little else to set them apart.

So what do you propose?
Essentially, I'm asking for a full frame, interchangeable lens Fujifilm X100. Ok, that might not sound much like an X100, but the common thread is of something relatively small, that by design, doesn't try to do everything. A camera that will sit happily alongside your existing camera (mirrored or not)."

But don't we have that already, near enough? The A7 is only about half the EVF hump taller than the X100 and arguably and IMO not significantly bigger in any direction as I wouldn't want either a X100 or A7 in my trouser pocket so once the decision is made to use a small bag the difference in size between any of the smaller cameras becomes IMO insignificant.

Anyway. It's there to read if anyone wants to.

Size comparator thingy for X100 v A7...

https://camerasize.com/compact/#487.394,133,ha,b
 
woof woof said:
There's a bit on DPR about what Canikon should do with their mirrorless offerings...

https://www.dpreview.com/opinion/09...tm_medium=marquee&utm_campaign=traffic_source

This bit caught my attention...

"Demands (including from us) for more battery life, along with the need to handle and act as a like-for-like DSLR replacement has led to mirrorless cameras getting progressively larger. This has helped create a generation of cameras that are nearly as big as their DSLR rivals. And, with the exception of better video implementation and the mixed blessings of electronic viewfinders, little else to set them apart.

So what do you propose?
Essentially, I'm asking for a full frame, interchangeable lens Fujifilm X100. Ok, that might not sound much like an X100, but the common thread is of something relatively small, that by design, doesn't try to do everything. A camera that will sit happily alongside your existing camera (mirrored or not)."

But don't we have that already, near enough? The A7 is only about half the EVF hump taller than the X100 and arguably and IMO not significantly bigger in any direction as I wouldn't want either a X100 or A7 in my trouser pocket so once the decision is made to use a small bag the difference in size between any of the smaller cameras becomes IMO insignificant.

Anyway. It's there to read if anyone wants to.

Size comparator thingy for X100 v A7...

https://camerasize.com/compact/#487.394,133,ha,b
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Blinded by the light (badge), the X100 is considerably more compact than the A7 when you take the lens into account, and is quite a bit lighter, the X100 will easily slip into many jacket pockets, yes I know you are getting FF on the Sony but you really are not comparing like for like.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Blinded by the light (badge), the X100 is considerably more compact than the A7 when you take the lens into account, and is quite a bit lighter, the X100 will easily slip into many jacket pockets, yes I know you are getting FF on the Sony but you really are not comparing like for like.
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Are you, do try and see past it :D

I don't see the Fuji as being considerably more compact but if you do I'm happy for you and your jacket pocket. I'd describe all of this sort of camera as just about winter coat pocketable rather than jacket pocketable but I wouldn't do it. I do have a GX80 which is a an EVF hump shorter than my A7 but otherwise not significantly different. I wouldn't put any of these cameras in a jacket pocket and instead I put them in a small bag and the differences are therefore minimal to me. YM obviously does V :D
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Blinded by the light (badge), the X100 is considerably more compact than the A7 when you take the lens into account, and is quite a bit lighter, the X100 will easily slip into many jacket pockets, yes I know you are getting FF on the Sony but you really are not comparing like for like.
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Surely a better comparison in size to an A7 is an APS-C DSLR like a Canon 200D as that offers the same lens flexibility as an A7 and also has the same sized sensor as the X100. In comparison, the X100 is a fixed lens, leaf shutter camera so nothing like a DSLR or an A7.

If you put an equivalent fixed lens leaf shuttered full frame camera alongside the X100 it looks huge ;0)

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I'm just surprised that anyone would put a camera of this sort of size in a "jacket" pocket but I suppose a lot hangs on your definition of jacket and if you're a Yeti with no interest in how your clothes hang or more normally sized and don't want your jacket pulling to one side.
 
stevelmx5 said:
As you can see, the A7 is pretty tiny considering the technology inside.
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I don't know if anyone could do an interchangeable lens FF camera much smaller than an A7 and if they did people would only complain that it felt like a toy and the buttons are too small.

I suppose it could be smaller if it didn't have an evf or maybe just didn't have the hump, something like the relatively small field sequential evf Panasonic use or a pop up jobbie like the RXx has could cut the size too.
 
jonneymendoza said:
It doesn't.its fixed on the R3 and also the latest fw for R2.

I've tested it and shoot in lowlight studio conditions and I was the first to moan about it a few years ago.

Make sure you disable live view effect off
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Not according to dpreview. I believe them over you. Definitely not fixed in R2 I know because I own one
 
woof woof said:
I don't know if anyone could do an interchangeable lens FF camera much smaller than an A7 and if they did people would only complain that it felt like a toy and the buttons are too small.

I suppose it could be smaller if it didn't have an evf or maybe just didn't have the hump, something like the relatively small field sequential evf Panasonic use or a pop up jobbie like the RXx has could cut the size too.
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The RX1 is pretty tiny as the body is essentially just large enough to contain the sensor/LCD and popup EVF. The lens is purpose designed to have as small a flange depth as possible whilst still covering the entire sensor (as with the X100). If photographers' want the flexibility of interchangeable lenses with IS etc, we need to accept physics and the glass involved.

I have put my A7 with 50/1.8 into a large winter coat pocket but generally either hold it in my hand (I just use a Velcro finger loop rather than any other strap) or clip it to my Capture Clip if I want my hands free.
 
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stevelmx5 said:
The RX1 is pretty tiny as the body is essentially just large enough to contain the sensor/LCD and popup EVF. The lens is purpose designed to have as small a flange depth as possible whilst still covering the entire sensor (as with the X100). If photographers' want the flexibility of interchangeable lenses with IS etc, we need to accept physics and the glass involved.

I have put my A7 with 50/1.8 into a large winter coat pocket but generally either hold it in my hand (I just use a Velcro finger loop rather than any other strap) or clip it to my Capture Clip if I want my hands free.
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I wouldn't describe myself as being tiny or overly fashion conscious but I'd only put any interchangeable lens camera into the pocket of a large winter coat. Yes, some would fit into a "jacket" pocket but they'd pull and annoy me so I wouldn't do it. I mainly use a small Lowepro 100AW...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lowepro-Sh...qid=1527075795&sr=1-2&keywords=lowepro+100+aw

or a man bag which will also carry other stuff.

I only have two interchangeable lens cameras now, the A7 and GX80 and with a 35mm or equivalent prime either fit in the 100AW.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
No but I don't go around deriding other cameras at (almost) every opportunity, everything has its place. :D:p:D
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And neither do I so don't even think about implying I do. If you want to imply it please put up or shut up.
 
woof woof said:
And neither do I so don't even think about implying I do. If you want to imply it please put up or shut up.
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OK Alan, I apologise what I said was over the top (I'm a bit grumpy today, and that's no excuse), but you have regularly whether in jest or not had a pop at Fuji (basing your experience on an older camera you didn't get on with and what you've read on the internet), you only have to search for posts by you containing Fuji to see this, I just find it tiresome, and today I snapped.

Sorry.
 
nandbytes said:
Not according to dpreview. I believe them over you. Definitely not fixed in R2 I know because I own one
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No but why would I want to do that. It's just silly and a kludge of a workaround! I might as well buy a DSLR if I have to set that off. a-mount works perfectly well with EVF which shows simulation of live exposure while still doing AF-C wide open and only closing down to take the shot. In fact a-mount lenses via. LA-EA4 seem to work this too. Why not native lenses!
 
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I owned one too and it's fixed in fw4 or whatever the last one is!

Doesn't remain stopped down to whatever appature set like before and I've tested it and shoot on a studio with just a modelling lamp on shooting at f8 mate.
nandbytes said:
Not according to dpreview. I believe them over you. Definitely not fixed in R2 I know because I own one
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Good luck seeing anything with live view settings on inside a studio
nandbytes said:
No but why would I want to do that. It's just silly and a kludge of a workaround! I might as well buy a DSLR if I have to set that off. a-mount works perfectly well with EVF which shows simulation of live exposure while still doing AF-C wide open and only closing down to take the shot. In fact a-mount lenses via. LA-EA4 seem to work this too. Why not native lenses!
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Mr Perceptive said:
OK Alan, I apologise what I said was over the top (I'm a bit grumpy today, and that's no excuse), but you have regularly whether in jest or not had a pop at Fuji (basing your experience on an older camera you didn't get on with and what you've read on the internet), you only have to search for posts by you containing Fuji to see this, I just find it tiresome, and today I snapped.

Sorry.
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David, No, I haven't "had a pop at Fuji" and this recent post of mine about the article at DPR was in no way meant to be Fuji bashing but merely saying that IMHO the A7 is near enough what the author of that article is looking for, a X100 sized interchangeable lens FF camera. He was the one who brought Fuji into it and neither he (I assume) nor I are Fuji bashing.

I honestly don't care what make anything is. You know that I have owned a Fuji, it was my first digital camera, a S602 pro zoom, and if you can find any post of mine comparing that early generation camera to the Fuji's of today and using it to in seriousness disparage the latter I'll eat your shorts as well as mine and happily apologise. But I suspect we've both wasted enough time on this already.

To be clear and to try and be polite - No, I don't want a Fuji as I'm put off by Xtrans and the possible processing foibles but other than that I really don't have any negative view. The Fuji's look nice with their manual dials but I'd much rather have the A7 than any APS-C camera to use my old and new manual lenses on at their intended focal length. That's mostly what I use my A7 for and I have the smaller than both FF and APS-C interchangeable lens Panny GX80 MFT for AF stuff.

This is the second time in this thread in recent weeks I've been accused of Fuji bashing and I just don't get why anyone would think I'd waste my valuable time on any pathetic childish fanboy drivel.

I need a rest from all this.
 
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woof woof said:
David, No, I haven't "had a pop at Fuji" and this recent post of mine about the article at DPR was in no way meant to be Fuji bashing but merely saying that IMHO the A7 is near enough what the author of that article is looking for, a X100 sized interchangeable lens FF camera. He was the one who brought Fuji into it and neither he (I assume) nor I are Fuji bashing.

I honestly don't care what make anything is. You know that I have owned a Fuji, it was my first digital camera, a S602 pro zoom, and if you can find any post of mine comparing that early generation camera to the Fuji's of today and using it to in seriousness disparage the latter I'll eat your shorts as well as mine and happily apologise. But I suspect we've both wasted enough time on this already.

To be clear and to try and be polite - No, I don't want a Fuji as I'm put off by Xtrans and the possible processing foibles but other than that I really don't have any negative view. The Fuji's look nice with their manual dials but I'd much rather have the A7 than any APS-C camera to use my old and new manual lenses on at their intended focal length. That's mostly what I use my A7 for and I have the smaller than both FF and APS-C interchangeable lens Panny GX80 MFT for AF stuff.

This is the second time in this thread in recent weeks I've been accused of Fuji bashing and I just don't get why anyone would think I'd waste my valuable time on any pathetic childish fanboy drivel.

I need a rest from all this.
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Fuji is crap [emoji16]
 
nandbytes said:
No but why would I want to do that. It's just silly and a kludge of a workaround! I might as well buy a DSLR if I have to set that off. a-mount works perfectly well with EVF which shows simulation of live exposure while still doing AF-C wide open and only closing down to take the shot. In fact a-mount lenses via. LA-EA4 seem to work this too. Why not native lenses!
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The lens is always stopped down to your chosen aperture when Live View setting is ON, the camera doesn't just make the EVF more noisy. If you set it to OFF, the aperture stays at the widest then only stops down to your chosen aperture when you fire the shutter (as with a DSLR).

It's not a kludge/workaround, it's a technical requirement.
 
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stevelmx5 said:
The lens is always stopped down to your chosen aperture when Live View setting is ON, the camera doesn't just make the EVF more noisy. If you set it to OFF, the aperture stays at the widest then only stops down to your chosen aperture when you fire the shutter (as with a DSLR).

It's not a kludge/workaround, it's a technical requirement.
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No it's not a technical requirement its a bug.

On sony a-mount DSLT and/or when using adapted lenses the camera only closes the aperture when it has to take the shot. Other times the aperture is left open but you still see the effect of changing exposure. If I turn this off then I won't see the effect of changing exposure in the EVF.
 
nandbytes said:
No it's not a technical requirement its a bug.

On sony a-mount DSLT and/or when using adapted lenses the camera only closes the aperture when it has to take the shot. Other times the aperture is left open but you still see the effect of changing exposure. If I turn this off then I won't see the effect of changing exposure in the EVF.
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It's not a bug. If you look at a DSLR with an OVF, there's a DOF preview button that makes the lens stop down to your chosen aperture. If you hold it down, and you've selected a narrow aperture, your OVF goes darker. In the same way, if you switch the Live View Setting to ON, the camera permanently stops down the lens so you will see the EVF gain up in lower light. If you're in a studio using modelling lights/F11 etc, your EVF will be noisy/dark because the EVF is using those settings. It's simple, if you're in the studio, switch off the Live View Setting effect. For all other areas, leave it on and you will see the variation in your exposure through the EVF.
 
stevelmx5 said:
It's not a bug. If you look at a DSLR with an OVF, there's a DOF preview button that makes the lens stop down to your chosen aperture. If you hold it down, and you've selected a narrow aperture, your OVF goes darker. In the same way, if you switch the Live View Setting to ON, the camera permanently stops down the lens so you will see the EVF gain up in lower light. If you're in a studio using modelling lights/F11 etc, your EVF will be noisy/dark because the EVF is using those settings. It's simple, if you're in the studio, switch off the Live View Setting effect. For all other areas, leave it on and you will see the variation in your exposure through the EVF.
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Sony a-mount DSLT have EVFs not OVF. They do have a dof preview button like you said. That's a button assignable feature on e-mount also.
Like I said with a-mount bodies and adapted lenses it works as it should. With native lenses it's buggy on e-mount
 
nandbytes said:
Sony a-mount DSLT have EVFs not OVF. They do have a dof preview button like said. That's a assignable feature on e-mount also.
Like I said with a-mount bodies and adapted lenses it works as it should. With native lenses it's buggy.
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Doesn't an SLT have a hybrid optical/electronic viewfinder though? If the lens is stopped down, the effect wouldn't be so pronounced through an OVF.
 
nandbytes said:
No but why would I want to do that. It's just silly and a kludge of a workaround! I might as well buy a DSLR if I have to set that off. a-mount works perfectly well with EVF which shows simulation of live exposure while still doing AF-C wide open and only closing down to take the shot. In fact a-mount lenses via. LA-EA4 seem to work this too. Why not native lenses!
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But your referring to dslr not the hybrid Sony ones. The normal dslr does what the emount does
 
jonneymendoza said:
But your referring to dslr not the hybrid Sony ones. The normal dslr does what the emount does
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sony a-mount and/or adapted lenses on e-mount don't behave like how native lenses do on e-mount (3rd time i am repeating this!). sony a-mount also has EVF which works as it should with native lenses unlike sony e-mount.
 
Ok thanks.

So to rewind a bit.how do you see anything in a dark studio environment with live view setting's on?
nandbytes said:
sony a-mount and/or adapted lenses on e-mount don't behave like how native lenses do on e-mount (3rd time i am repeating this!). sony a-mount also has EVF which works as it should with native lenses unlike sony e-mount.
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jonneymendoza said:
Fuji is crap [emoji16]
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No it isn’t :D
I liked many aspects of the Fuji system, I think some aspects Sony could actually do with adopting.
If I had to own only a APS-C system, it would be the Fuji every single time.
They have a great lens lineup and I would pick it over a Sony A6xxx system.
Having said that, it can’t compete with the newer Sony A7/9 bodies, but I guess that’s reflected in the overall cost of the system being significantly cheaper.
 
sjh2008 said:
@chrism_scotland I have just had a peek at your flickr photos for the Loxia 21mm, awesome stuff !!

Looks like you have owned more cameras than Wex :)
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Haha thanks - its a great wide angle I find that range to be ideal - I like to try new things!
 
Quick play with the A6000 with some every day images.

Teeth time 2 by Tim G, on Flickr

Teeth time by Tim G, on Flickr

Really frustrating that the AUTO ISO minimum is 1/60th and can't be changed, not quick enough for me. This is seriously affecting the way I shoot. Like to use Av then fine tune using exp comp. The lens is alright for a kit, sharp enough, quick to AF, but f3.5-5.6 isn't exciting me (but I knew this anyway..) The menus aren't as bad as everyone makes out (unless they changed on the A7 series). I can see this camera getting used for holiday at the end of summer then being moved on.
 
Has anyone found a way to shoot more than 9 images in continous mode?
Im probably missing something here or maybe it is not an option on the A7 iii but i recall having a mode on my D500 where i could set up the camera to shoot up to (i think) 200 images with one press of the shutter button.
Having looked in the manual ond online it seems the A7iii is limited to 5 or 9 images in this mode.
Am i missing something?
 
Bigfungun said:
Has anyone found a way to shoot more than 9 images in continous mode?
Im probably missing something here or maybe it is not an option on the A7 iii but i recall having a mode on my D500 where i could set up the camera to shoot up to (i think) 200 images with one press of the shutter button.
Having looked in the manual ond online it seems the A7iii is limited to 5 or 9 images in this mode.
Am i missing something?
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Huh? Keep your finger on the shutter. Are you talking about an intervelometer or what?
 
twist said:
Huh? Keep your finger on the shutter. Are you talking about an intervelometer or what?
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I was planning on some astro photography. Up to 200 images @ 20 to 30 seconds but it seems the most i can get is 5.
 
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