The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

Tom Green said:
Been in Venice the last couple of days, obviously being obsessed with cameras I noticed basically every one I went past.

Pretty surprised at the massive lack of mirrorless cameras about. 95% of more are DSLR. Tonnes and tonnes of DSLRs about though.

About 65% Canon
30% Nikon
5% Sony and a couple of retro film cameras

Most of the Sony ones were bridge. Seen one A6500 and one A6000 and absolutely no A7 series. Was genuinely surprised at this.

Think it will take a long time for the consumer market to go fully mirrorless.

@Riz_Guru would have us believe that Sony are now the only cameras sold ;)
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Interestingly in Barcelona two weeks ago I saw loads of mirrorless. Sony’s, Panasonic and fuji. Equally lots of mid range dslrs. I’m seeing more and more out and about in London these days. Far more than say a year ago.
 
woof woof said:
I read a review/test somewhere that concluded that it had a weak one.

One thing that tempted me towards Adobe CC is that it has a moire brush (I think...) whereas my CS5 doesn't. Moire isn't a big issue for me but I do have pictures that show it if you go looking.
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Yes i can confirm Alan, Adobe CC has more brushes:rolleyes::LOL::ROFLMAO:
 
woof woof said:
I got a Rokkor 35mm f2.8 MC today to replace the one that mysteriously got damaged coating whilst away for a clean... it's the same model number etc but slightly different mechanically as it has a slightly wider focus ring. I prefer the one on the damaged lens as it's more indented. I think that the old Rokkor lenses with the smaller and more indented focus ring are just gorgeous to use, pretty much like the Voigtlander FE 35mm f1.4 and 40mm f1.2 I have, maybe not quite as nice but nice considering that they're old and cheap. I paid £66 for this latest one which I thought was quite good as branded 35mm f2.8's can go for nearer £100 or even more.
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Have you left any 35’s for anyone else ? :p​
 
Tom Green said:
Been in Venice the last couple of days, obviously being obsessed with cameras I noticed basically every one I went past.

Pretty surprised at the massive lack of mirrorless cameras about. 95% of more are DSLR. Tonnes and tonnes of DSLRs about though.

About 65% Canon
30% Nikon
5% Sony and a couple of retro film cameras

Most of the Sony ones were bridge. Seen one A6500 and one A6000 and absolutely no A7 series. Was genuinely surprised at this.

Think it will take a long time for the consumer market to go fully mirrorless.

@Riz_Guru would have us believe that Sony are now the only cameras sold ;)
:D
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That’s generally what I see tbh, although of late Ive been seeing more Nikon than anything. Looking forward to seeing your pics.

addicknchips said:
Interestingly in Barcelona two weeks ago I saw loads of mirrorless. Sony’s, Panasonic and fuji. Equally lots of mid range dslrs. I’m seeing more and more out and about in London these days. Far more than say a year ago.
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How bizarre, as you know I was in Barcelona the same time as you and I saw far more Nikon than anything. Well actually that’s not true, more smartphones than anything, then Nikon ;)
 
snerkler said:
That’s generally what I see tbh, although of late Ive been seeing more Nikon than anything. Looking forward to seeing your pics.

How bizarre, as you know I was in Barcelona the same time as you and I saw far more Nikon than anything. Well actually that’s not true, more smartphones than anything, then Nikon ;)
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Oops I forgot for a moment you were there with your Panny
 
Tom Green said:
Been in Venice the last couple of days, obviously being obsessed with cameras I noticed basically every one I went past.

Pretty surprised at the massive lack of mirrorless cameras about. 95% of more are DSLR. Tonnes and tonnes of DSLRs about though.

About 65% Canon
30% Nikon
5% Sony and a couple of retro film cameras

Most of the Sony ones were bridge. Seen one A6500 and one A6000 and absolutely no A7 series. Was genuinely surprised at this.

Think it will take a long time for the consumer market to go fully mirrorless.

@Riz_Guru would have us believe that Sony are now the only cameras sold ;)
:D
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I live in London and regularly go past 100s of tourists every single day to and from work. Mirrorless cameras are definitely more popular than 2-3 years ago. DSLRs still hold the majority but it's quickly disappearing if London tourists are of any indication.
 
nandbytes said:
I live in London and regularly go past 100s of tourists every single day to and from work. Mirrorless cameras are definitely more popular than 2-3 years ago. DSLRs still hold the majority but it's quickly disappearing if London tourists are of any indication.
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I imagine they are on the up, and will continue to grow. Lens prices still put many people off I think. Even for UWA on an A6000 is going to be the 10-18, several hundred £ more than Canon equivalent. Plus I think a lot of beginners still see DSLR as the go to camera type. Seems it here anyway.
 
Tom Green said:
Been in Venice the last couple of days, obviously being obsessed with cameras I noticed basically every one I went past.

Pretty surprised at the massive lack of mirrorless cameras about. 95% of more are DSLR. Tonnes and tonnes of DSLRs about though.

About 65% Canon
30% Nikon
5% Sony and a couple of retro film cameras

Most of the Sony ones were bridge. Seen one A6500 and one A6000 and absolutely no A7 series. Was genuinely surprised at this.

Think it will take a long time for the consumer market to go fully mirrorless.

@Riz_Guru would have us believe that Sony are now the only cameras sold ;)
:D
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I’ve seen 2 Sony A7 whole travelling.

First time in Florence and it was the first Gen A7R, second time 2 years ago in Stockholm and that person had a A7Rii with a Batis 25/2. Both time I had my 5D3/35L.

Generally I see a lot of entry level Canon around, now and again I’ll see a 5D2. I saw a guy with a 5D2 and a few L glass at Mt Fuji and I complimented on his set up and we had a chat.

What I don't see are Fuji stuff, apart from my brother in law who has a X-100 (original), I never seen one in the wild.

The mindset of the the general public is that they would go into a store and says "I want a nice camera", but their budget are never of the Sony mirrorless level. They just want that entry level, they see a larger black camera with lenses that they can change and think they are all pretty much the same. Canon is a brand that is associated with taking photos and their entry level camera into the EOS system is a couple of hundred, and for a lot of people the 80D is like the pinnacle of bodies. The stuff we talk about on here, especially in this thread, are of the 1%.

When I was in LCE the other day a lady came in and literally asked "What is your cheapest tripod?". That sentence brought back bad memories of a free tripod i was given in university from a roommate, a tripod that can't even hold my 30D and a small lens.
 
Tom Green said:
Been in Venice the last couple of days, obviously being obsessed with cameras I noticed basically every one I went past.

Pretty surprised at the massive lack of mirrorless cameras about. 95% of more are DSLR. Tonnes and tonnes of DSLRs about though.

Think it will take a long time for the consumer market to go fully mirrorless.

@Riz_Guru would have us believe that Sony are now the only cameras sold ;)
:D
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That has been the feeling I've got when I'm away in Europe too. If you were too look on many Photography sites you would think that the DSLR was dead, but the reality is that they still outsell mirrorless. And don't forget that there have been many millions sold before mirrorless too. ;)

woof woof said:
I think a lot of it is down to perception and what the shops push... the public think DSLR's are the bees and walk into a shop and ask for one or maybe ask for a big step up from the phone and I'd guess that depending upon the shop some would suggest a Canon DSLR and kit lens. I think an enthusiast will maybe think a bit more about the pros and cons of DSLR v CSC, a percentage of enthusiasts will pick a DSLR but a percentage will also pick mirrorless even if they have to hunt to find what they want or ignore what the bloke in the shop would like to push.
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I think the shops, but especially the Photography sites, push mirrorless, because that is the area of growth in an overall declining market. Threads like this on sites are very active because it is something new, and there are significant advancements frequently, whereas, DSLRs are such a mature format that major advancements are harder to come by.

I think for many years some owners that have moved to mirrorless have been claiming parity with DSLRs when that may have not been the case ;) for image quality, AF, ergonomics, whatever. A lot of people trying to justify their purchases though, it's human nature.

Up until the end of last year I had been teaching Photography Classes for adults for about 10 years, and mirrorless cameras have been few and far between. I know that mirrorless cameras were not around that much 10 years ago, maybe the Olympus 4/3 cameras, but since they have appeared in numbers from more manufacturers, the mirrorless users in classes have not been significant. It may or may not be representative of anything, but these were people who were trying to increase their Photography skills, and 95%+ have had DSLRs.

The users we all may see out and about using mirrorless cameras will obviously rise over time, but to get into the minds of a lot of 'slightly' more serious users may take bit longer. Anyone who has bought a DSLR in the last few years will have a camera that can give them images of higher quality than they may ever need. I think that is the main thing mirrorless camera manufacturers have to demonstrate, that what they sell is a lot better than what they may already have, not mirrorless or DSLR. And apart from those that just want something new, ;) that will be hard imho.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Zeiss 50/1.4 Planar has arrived.

It’s not that big really, all these reviewers are a bunch of girls :p the Sigma 50/1.4 is heavier and it’s not a patch on the Canon 85/1.2 or 24-70L mk1.
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Played around with the Zeiss much? How do you find it?
 
addicknchips said:
finally refunded for the faulty 85mm Gmaster :banana::beer:. Now - do i look for another?

heres a shot with one from just over a year ago.

17-1 by Jonathan Howes, on Flickr
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I’d get another, the bokeh is lush and a big reason to pick it over the others, the Batis 85mm f1.8 does have a offer on at the moment, it also includes the Batis 135mm f2.8 which has a whopping £400 off. :)
 
Tom Green said:
I imagine they are on the up, and will continue to grow. Lens prices still put many people off I think. Even for UWA on an A6000 is going to be the 10-18, several hundred £ more than Canon equivalent. Plus I think a lot of beginners still see DSLR as the go to camera type. Seems it here anyway.
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I would consider UWA a specialist lens tbh. Not something everyone will be looking buy.
Regardless mirrorless is expensive especially Sony.
I got my first DSLR (well DSLT ;) ) for £350. I don't see any such cheap mirrorless body from Sony nowadays...
 
Riz_Guru said:
I’d get another, the bokeh is lush and a big reason to pick it over the others, the Batis 85mm f1.8 does have a offer on at the moment, it also includes the Batis 135mm f2.8 which has a whopping £400 off. :)
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Yeah weighing up the batis too (85mm). It’s a shame the 135 is 2.8 and not an f2.
 
redhed17 said:
I think for many years some owners that have moved to mirrorless have been claiming parity with DSLRs when that may have not been the case ;) for image quality, AF, ergonomics, whatever. A lot of people trying to justify their purchases though, it's human nature.

Up until the end of last year I had been teaching Photography Classes for adults for about 10 years, and mirrorless cameras have been few and far between. I know that mirrorless cameras were not around that much 10 years ago, maybe the Olympus 4/3 cameras, but since they have appeared in numbers from more manufacturers, the mirrorless users in classes have not been significant. It may or may not be representative of anything, but these were people who were trying to increase their Photography skills, and 95%+ have had DSLRs.

The users we all may see out and about using mirrorless cameras will obviously rise over time, but to get into the minds of a lot of 'slightly' more serious users may take bit longer. Anyone who has bought a DSLR in the last few years will have a camera that can give them images of higher quality than they may ever need. I think that is the main thing mirrorless camera manufacturers have to demonstrate, that what they sell is a lot better than what they may already have, not mirrorless or DSLR. And apart from those that just want something new, ;) that will be hard imho.
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I think it'd be interesting to ask DSLR users why they bought one. Maybe the answer would be the they know a pro who uses one or they're seen them on TV or the bloke in Jessops said they were best.

Like I said in another thread when a guy said he wasn't interested in an A7 as he wanted a DSLR... "Fair enough but they're all cameras."

Personally I see mirrorless as the future and to be honest if someone just starting out asked for my advice (hardly likely :D) I'd advise going mirrorless not necessarily because they're "better" but because I think we're at the beginning of three things, a move to mirrorless, a convergence of stills and video and the addition of new features such as eye tracking etc. Yes some of these things have been around for years but arguably in clunky half working ways and I think that as mirrorless cameras develop thee features will improve and we'll see new ones too. Going mirrorless now will at least mean that you're in at the beginning and not putting off getting to grips with all this new stuff at some point in the future when learning it may be a little more difficult.
 
woof woof said:
I think it'd be interesting to ask DSLR users why they bought one. Maybe the answer would be the they know a pro who uses one or they're seen them on TV or the bloke in Jessops said they were best.

Like I said in another thread when a guy said he wasn't interested in an A7 as he wanted a DSLR... "Fair enough but they're all cameras."

Personally I see mirrorless as the future and to be honest if someone just starting out asked for my advice (hardly likely :D) I'd advise going mirrorless not necessarily because they're "better" but because I think we're at the beginning of three things, a move to mirrorless, a convergence of stills and video and the addition of new features such as eye tracking etc. Yes some of these things have been around for years but arguably in clunky half working ways and I think that as mirrorless cameras develop thee features will improve and we'll see new ones too. Going mirrorless now will at least mean that you're in at the beginning and not putting off getting to grips with all this new stuff at some point in the future when learning it may be a little more difficult.
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As already mentioned, I think it comes down to perception. It wouldn't surprise me that when Canikon finally get around the bringing out a decent mirrorless we will see a bigger shift. General perception is still that Canikon are the main players and Joe blogs doesn't really care/not aware that Sony are the big innovators at the mo. Name/brand still means a lot to the general public. When I speak to folk and mention Olympus they say "oh yeah I've heard of them/owned an old Olympus camera, they're really good aren't they", yet mention Panasonic and it's amazing how many folk don't actually realise they make cameras, let alone are practically the same as Olympus.

How long before Sony become a 'serious player' in the eyes of the general public I don't know. I know Sony have left above Nikon in some areas but I don't know if this is more down to the enthusiast/pro, or whether the general public have created this trend?
 
nandbytes said:
I would consider UWA a specialist lens tbh. Not something everyone will be looking buy.
Regardless mirrorless is expensive especially Sony.
I got my first DSLR (well DSLT ;) ) for £350. I don't see any such cheap mirrorless body from Sony nowadays...
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I can't remember how much my Canon 20D was but I think it was something in the region of £1,000, maybe a bit less. I know these things were in their infancy back then but look what we can get for reasonable money these days let alone what we can get for whatever £1k in 2004 is in todays money.
 
snerkler said:
As already mentioned, I think it comes down to perception. It wouldn't surprise me that when Canikon finally get around the bringing out a decent mirrorless we will see a bigger shift. General perception is still that Canikon are the main players and Joe blogs doesn't really care/not aware that Sony are the big innovators at the mo. Name/brand still means a lot to the general public. When I speak to folk and mention Olympus they say "oh yeah I've heard of them/owned an old Olympus camera, they're really good aren't they", yet mention Panasonic and it's amazing how many folk don't actually realise they make cameras, let alone are practically the same as Olympus.

How long before Sony become a 'serious player' in the eyes of the general public I don't know. I know Sony have left above Nikon in some areas but I don't know if this is more down to the enthusiast/pro, or whether the general public have created this trend?
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From what I've read photographers who buy higher end gear (like us) are an aging bunch and it doesn't really surprise me that there's a possible reluctance to see the electronics manufacturers as equal players. How many times does Sony really need linking to DVD players... :D ditto Panasonic which even some serious review sites still regard as more the choice for video whereas a more serious still shooter will possibly be pointed more towards an Olympus.

With younger people growing up with Sony and Panasonic products maybe they'll be more open to those brands but Canikon will no doubt still have a strong marketing presence and the younger generations will still see the massed ranks of (older) Canikon shooters on the news and their wedding / event photographer is still possibly going to be using a Canikon. The fact that with an entry level APS-C DSLR and kit lens they'll not get anywhere near to what the pro does with a 5Dxx and L lens wont necessarily be a factor but they may well be influenced by the badge and association to professional photographers.
 
woof woof said:
I can't remember how much my Canon 20D was but I think it was something in the region of £1,000, maybe a bit less. I know these things were in their infancy back then but look what we can get for reasonable money these days let alone what we can get for whatever £1k in 2004 is in todays money.
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I think it was either £800 or £880, the exchange rate was about 1.8-1.9 to the dollar back then.
 
simonbarker said:
I think it was either £800 or £880, the exchange rate was about 1.8-1.9 to the dollar back then.
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I think I just about got my moneys worth though as I used it for over seven years.
 
trevjm said:
Christmas has just come early for me.. My A7iii has just been delivered. I didn't even know it was coming and I have just bought a used Fuji X100F off of this site this morning..

And the missus is out!

RESULT :)
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GRRRRRRRR, congrats mate!!! When did you order and from where? Thanks
 
twist said:
GRRRRRRRR, congrats mate!!! When did you order and from where? Thanks
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I ended up going with e infinity .. I was going to buy from Harrisons but I missed their deal by 24 hours... I ordered on the 26th March which was the first day that e-infirnity allowed pre-orders.
 
trevjm said:
I ended up going with e infinity .. I was going to buy from Harrisons but I missed their deal by 24 hours... I ordered on the 26th March which was the first day that e-infirnity allowed pre-orders.
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I noticed they had them up briefly. Got your lenses sorted?

X100F..... nice.
 
trevjm said:
I ended up going with e infinity .. I was going to buy from Harrisons but I missed their deal by 24 hours... I ordered on the 26th March which was the first day that e-infirnity allowed pre-orders.
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Nice to see the uk lagging behind with stock. A good morning for you!
 
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