The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

twist said:
His comment was about noise, so theres a comparison at extremes.
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its probably more useful to compare them at more sensible high ISO range 6400-12800
what the point if no shoots at such extremes!

(p.s. I haven't compared them myself and don't know or care about the results but just commenting on the comparison itself)
 
nandbytes said:
its probably more useful to compare them at more sensible high ISO range 6400-12800
what the point if no shoots at such extremes!

(p.s. I haven't compared them myself and don't know or care about the results but just commenting on the comparison itself)
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At extremes you're likely to see the difference!
 
nandbytes said:
its probably more useful to compare them at more sensible high ISO range 6400-12800
what the point if no shoots at such extremes!

(p.s. I haven't compared them myself and don't know or care about the results but just commenting on the comparison itself)
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I have got some photos of A9 and D750 at iso 4000 in horrible light and really can’t say there is any difference.

I think we are at a stage where all high end bodies do not differ. Bar Canon ones, which are shocking.
 
SteveRob said:
It’s been given as a freebie on pre-orders so every chance they can apply whatever conditions they wish.
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Fair enough but having had the same offer with the A7riii its just a standard extra warranty card that's bundled, nothing specific to the A7iii, ordinarily you can buy the +3 year warranty for any Sony camera, effectively they are just discounting the price to zero. Can't see anything on WEX, Jessops or Park Camera's about a deadline for registration, some do say that you'll only get the warranty card if you order before the end of March though.
 
woof woof said:
Don't you get a raw processor with it?

I looked a coupe of days ago and DNG didn't have it but actually there seems to be a known problem with the latest DNG not loading so I kept my older version.
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There’s no CD in the box if that’s what you mean?
 
Raymond Lin said:
There’s no CD in the box if that’s what you mean?
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You should be able to download the Sony Image Edge software from sony.co.uk following registration under "downloads".
Interestingly, the software not only supports both the A7R III and A7 III but has given them more functionality than the Sony A9.

Strange choices from Sony considering their Sony A9 is supposed to be a high-profile professional product. Lets home Sony sort this out including more firmware updates to improve the A9 :)
 
Raymond Lin said:
There’s no CD in the box if that’s what you mean?
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the don't ship the CD any more all software can be found on sony website

But page for A7III current says - "Support information for the ILCE-7M3 is coming soon!"

So I suppose you are kinda stuck :(
 
Riz_Guru said:
You should be able to download the Sony Image Edge software from sony.co.uk following registration under "downloads".
Interestingly, the software not only supports both the A7R III and A7 III but has given them more functionality than the Sony A9.

Strange choices from Sony considering their Sony A9 is supposed to be a high-profile professional product. Lets home Sony sort this out including more firmware updates to improve the A9 :)
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nandbytes said:
the don't ship the CD any more all software can be found on sony website

But page for A7III current says - "Support information for the ILCE-7M3 is coming soon!"

So I suppose you are kinda stuck :(
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I shot with 3 cameras today, having to use Sony's own software is a pain in the butt for workflow.
 
Ok, just done the first shoot with it. AF is utterly ridiculous, it's like 95% hit rate and when it hits, it REALLY hit.

Colours (jpeg/standard profile) is a bit on the magenta / red tint space.

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twist said:
£2700 difference, 4 years later, last gen sensor....... interesting result.

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Yes interesting if you need to shoot that high. :)
You can compare high ISO test chart images all day long (I do it sometimes too), however you have to keep in mind they are shot in a controlled studio environment with two different lenses..... It would be interesting to know what lenses were used to shoot test charts.
That aside, the Sony A9 offers way more than just IQ, as I have said previously, the IQ is on par / slightly better than the original A7 / A7 II which was always good enough for me.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Ok, just done the first shoot with it. AF is utterly ridiculous, it's like 95% hit rate and when it hits, it REALLY hit.

Colours (jpeg/standard profile) is a bit on the magenta / red tint space.

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Great capture.... I'll give it about 12 months before you completely move over to the Sony system, maybe a Sony A9 ;) which will probably give you a 99% hit rate with silent shutter, no blackout at 20fps. :D
 
Riz_Guru said:
Yes interesting if you need to shoot that high. :)
You can compare high ISO test chart images all day long (I do it sometimes too), however you have to keep in mind they are shot in a controlled studio environment with two different lenses..... It would be interesting to know what lenses were used to shoot test charts.
That aside, the Sony A9 offers way more than just IQ, as I have said previously, the IQ is on par / slightly better than the original A7 / A7 II which was always good enough for me.
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Do lenses affect noise?
 
snerkler said:
Do lenses affect noise?
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Fair point but say if the Sony A9 had a f1.8 lens attached and the Nikon D750 had a f1.2 lens attached, wouldn't that make any difference.
You'll have to excuse my lack of thinking at the moment, got both my kids screaming around me :o lol
 
These A7iii cameras will definitely make excellent portrait and wedding cameras but I definitely need the A9, so I need to start selling off all sorts of s***.

Wonder if the wife would notice half the kitchen appliances and furniture has just disappeared :ROFLMAO:
 
Riz_Guru said:
Fair point but say if the Sony A9 had a f1.8 lens attached and the Nikon D750 had a f1.2 lens attached, wouldn't that make any difference.
You'll have to excuse my lack of thinking at the moment, got both my kids screaming around me :eek: lol
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I wouldn’t have thought so in a controlled environment like that, ISOs are consistent, and they’re on a tripod so shutter is altered to give the same exposure, ie same amount of light hitting the sensor. I don’t know if those studio shots are shot wide open or not, but it wouldn’t matter as the overall exposure, and importantly ISO is the same.

JJ! said:
These A7iii cameras will definitely make excellent portrait and wedding cameras but I definitely need the A9, so I need to start selling off all sorts of s***.

Wonder if the wife would notice half the kitchen appliances and furniture has just disappeared :ROFLMAO:
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But you’ll have the potential banding issue with the A9 in your indoor arenas :confused: Unless you want to shoot at 5fps ;)
 
snerkler said:
I wouldn’t have thought so in a controlled environment like that, ISOs are consistent, and they’re on a tripod so shutter is altered to give the same exposure, ie same amount of light hitting the sensor. I don’t know if those studio shots are shot wide open or not, but it wouldn’t matter as the overall exposure, and importantly ISO is the same.

But you’ll have the potential banding issue with the A9 in your indoor arenas :confused: Unless you want to shoot at 5fps ;)
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Ahh ok.... regarding the banding, just shoot at a shutter speed which avoids the banding? :)
 
JJ! said:
These A7iii cameras will definitely make excellent portrait and wedding cameras but I definitely need the A9, so I need to start selling off all sorts of s***.

Wonder if the wife would notice half the kitchen appliances and furniture has just disappeared :ROFLMAO:
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Sony A9 is what you need chap.... :D it contains Jedi powers within lol :)
 
snerkler said:
I wouldn’t have thought so in a controlled environment like that, ISOs are consistent, and they’re on a tripod so shutter is altered to give the same exposure, ie same amount of light hitting the sensor. I don’t know if those studio shots are shot wide open or not, but it wouldn’t matter as the overall exposure, and importantly ISO is the same.

But you’ll have the potential banding issue with the A9 in your indoor arenas :confused: Unless you want to shoot at 5fps ;)
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So choose A9 get banding, just A7iii get dubious low light CAF. Stick with D750 get neither of the above issues!
 
Riz_Guru said:
Ahh ok.... regarding the banding, just shoot at a shutter speed which avoids the banding? :)
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Err not really. Shutter speed doesn't change the scan time, hence why you are more prone to banding with electronic shutters. The A9's scan time is much quicker and not at the exact frequency of UK lighting compared to other electronic shutters, but it's still a potential issue. The worst I've seen is on the Jarid Polin video, that's enough for me not to shoot sports in stadiums like that with an A9, if I did that kind of shooting that is ;)

JJ! said:
So choose A9 get banding, just A7iii get dubious low light CAF. Stick with D750 get neither of the above issues!
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Yep, that sums it up. Or get a D850 with better AF than the D750, higher res for cropping, higher buffer and higher fps, especially with the battery grip (y)
 
Riz_Guru said:
A good summary of the Sony A9 banding scenario....

https://m.dpreview.com/articles/7370859353/sony-a9-banding-reported-by-fro-fact-or-fiction
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JJ! said:
This guy doesn’t like DP!

https://www.eoshd.com/2017/06/dpreview-moan-sony-a9-banding-7700hz-led-ad-boards/
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Whilst banding will cause few of us issues, it is an inherent issue with electronic shutters in that if the frequency of the lighting causes banding there's diddly squat you can do with the electronic shutter that can correct it, and why mechanical shutters have an advantage in this scenario, change the shutter speed and the problem can go away/be minimised. With electronic shutter change the shutter speed and it has little to no affect due to scan times.

And this highlights the biggest flaw in the A9 and a massive faux pas imo. If you are faced with such a scenario you only have a 5fps shutter on the A9, all of a sudden this latest greatest sports cam becomes as slow as cameras released nearly a decade ago. And what makes it worse, the A7riii and now A7iii have a mechanical shutter that can fire considerably quicker than the A9, and so in such a scenario the A7iii at half the price is all of a sudden the better camera.

Now I know this is a scenario that will rarely happen, BUT purely out of principle it grates on me. And I don't even own the A9 :lol:
 
snerkler said:
worst I've seen is on the Jarid Polin video, that's enough for me not to shoot sports in stadiums like that with an A9, if I did that kind of shooting that is ;)
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I think this has been discussed before, but if your shooting at 20 fps not every shot will see the banding, it’s a point worth investigating before you buy though. :)
 
Riz_Guru said:
I think this has been discussed before, but if your shooting at 20 fps not every shot will see the banding, it’s a point worth investigating before you buy though. :)
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Very true, without trying it I don't know if you shoot a series of 20 and it is affected whether all 20 shots will see banding, or just 1 or 2. If it's the latter then the really really small issue becomes even smaller (y). I wish I could ask Sony why they only put a 5fps shutter in, maybe so they've got an upgrade for the A9ii ;)
 
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