The Amazing Sony A1/A7/A9/APS-C & Anything else welcome Mega Thread!

stevelmx5 said:
Was everything shot at 1.2?
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Trust me, if you have this lens, you want to shoot everything at 1.2, if you can. It's why people buy it.

Focus...no.
CA? Everywhere
Sharpness, it's good but no 35Lmk2

Bokeh, ridiculous.

So to get your money's worth, you engineer the shot so that the 1.2 can be used and make it stand out. Sometimes it's probably best shooting at 2.0 or something but you will find a way to shoot it at 1.2, somehow.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
Trust me, if you have this lens, you want to shoot everything at 1.2, if you can. It's why people buy it.

Focus...no.
CA? Everywhere
Sharpness, it's good but no 35Lmk2

Bokeh, ridiculous.

So to get your money's worth, you engineer the shot so that the 1.2 can be used and make it stand out. Sometimes it's probably best shooting at 2.0 or something but you will find away to shoot it at 1.2, somehow.
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Well said
 
Raymond Lin said:
Trust me, if you have this lens, you want to shoot everything at 1.2, if you can. It's why people buy it.

Focus...no.
CA? Everywhere
Sharpness, it's good but no 35Lmk2

Bokeh, ridiculous.

So to get your money's worth, you engineer the shot so that the 1.2 can be used and make it stand out. Sometimes it's probably best shooting at 2.0 or something but you will find a way to shoot it at 1.2, somehow.
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Thanks but I'm not questioning the relative merits of the 85L, I'm suggesting that it would be interesting to compare the available options (although obviously neither the G Master not the FE shoot at 1.2)
 
stevelmx5 said:
Thanks but I'm not questioning the relative merits of the 85L, I'm suggesting that it would be interesting to compare the available options (although obviously neither the G Master not the FE shoot at 1.2)
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Exactly. The 1.2L is rare. Cant and wont ever get rid of it
 
stevelmx5 said:
Thanks but I'm not questioning the relative merits of the 85L, I'm suggesting that it would be interesting to compare the available options (although obviously neither the G Master not the FE shoot at 1.2)
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That's exactly it, if you measure it against other criteria such as focus speed, CA control and even sharpness, I would expect the 85L would come last or 2nd in most places. That doesn't matter though, what matter is the other lenses can't do 1.2 at all. The result is an image that has a 3D effect, that Pop in the image which the other lenses just can't do. It is a very subtle effect, and if you compare them, you might think nothing of its but when the situation arises for the 1.2 really stands out, there is nothing else like it.
 
Raymond Lin said:
That's exactly it, if you measure it against other criteria such as focus speed, CA control and even sharpness, I would expect the 85L would come last or 2nd in most places. That doesn't matter though, what matter is the other lenses can't do 1.2 at all. The result is an image that has a 3D effect, that Pop in the image which the other lenses just can't do. It is a very subtle effect, and if you compare them, you might think nothing of its but when the situation arises for the 1.2 really stands out, there is nothing else like it.
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It's my favourite lens ever
 
stevelmx5 said:
Out of interest, what was it you were hoping to get out of the 85mm G Master if the 85L is so good? Was it purely native AF?
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Nothing. Never wanted the G master 85mm. If it was 1.2 then maybe.

Point is adapted lens setup is fine for portraits. Not so good for sports. It's why the only native zoom I have is the 100-400
 
I remember reading the 85L actually focused faster adapted on to Sony bodies that it did on 5D3?

Is there a difference optically between the first two versions this lens and also the old manual FD version of this lens?
 
jonneymendoza said:
Nothing. Never wanted the G master 85mm. If it was 1.2 then maybe.

Point is adapted lens setup is fine for portraits. Not so good for sports. It's why the only native zoom I have is the 100-400
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Sorry bud, I was thinking you had the 85GM but that's Riz isn't it.
 
stevelmx5 said:
Out of interest, what was it you were hoping to get out of the 85mm G Master if the 85L is so good? Was it purely native AF?
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jonneymendoza said:
Nothing. Never wanted the G master 85mm. If it was 1.2 then maybe.

Point is adapted lens setup is fine for portraits. Not so good for sports. It's why the only native zoom I have is the 100-400
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For me, I want the Canon 84/1.4L IS, mostly for the IS. At the moment the 85L goes back into the bag in the evening because the focus is too slow for evening dancing, I "make do" with a 50/1.4 instead which is fine since it's normally in a small room so 85 is too long anyway.

Also….gear whore and all that, plus the IS.

You can tell the 85L by the bokeh, due to the electronic, when shooting wide open you get a "cut" on the circle. That's not why I get it though.

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Raymond Lin said:
For me, I want the Canon 84/1.4L IS, mostly for the IS. At the moment the 85L goes back into the bag in the evening because the focus is too slow for evening dancing, I "make do" with a 50/1.4 instead which is fine since it's normally in a small room so 85 is too long anyway.

Also….gear whore and all that, plus the IS.

You can tell the 85L by the bokeh, due to the electronic, when shooting wide open you get a "cut" on the circle. That's not why I get it though.

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It's for its separation.

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Well the sony bodies have ibis so IS not needed hehe but I don't use mine for fast or moving target. Well actually I did yesterday lol and first reaction is all shots seem on focus
 
niko said:
i am looking forward to the promised sigma native ff e-mount that's on the way
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Yes. I keep telling myself that I don't need anything else but there's two lenses I'll look forward to reading reviews of, the rumored Sigma and the recently announced Voigtlander. Actually I'd also be interested to read about any future AF 50mm f2.8 macro. I've had the current Sony one but the AF was all over the place.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Trust me, if you have this lens, you want to shoot everything at 1.2, if you can. It's why people buy it.

Focus...no.
CA? Everywhere
Sharpness, it's good but no 35Lmk2

Bokeh, ridiculous.

So to get your money's worth, you engineer the shot so that the 1.2 can be used and make it stand out. Sometimes it's probably best shooting at 2.0 or something but you will find a way to shoot it at 1.2, somehow.
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Doesn't sound like it's any better than my Rokkor 50mm f1.2 :D

I've posted this before but any excuse... :D...

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Don't panic Raymond, I'm not being serious about my Rokkor being as good as the Canon 85mm.
 
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Alan, I got the post today from rockycameras, he has only posted one of the two items I ordered :mad:
I didn't get that Minolta rokkor 58mm f/1.4 :(
 
stevelmx5 said:
Thanks but I'm not questioning the relative merits of the 85L, I'm suggesting that it would be interesting to compare the available options (although obviously neither the G Master not the FE shoot at 1.2)
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It'd be interesting to see the differences between f1.2 and f1.4.
 
nandbytes said:
Alan, I got the post today from rockycameras, he has only posted one of the two items I ordered :mad:
I didn't get that Minolta rokkor 58mm f/1.4 :(
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Oh dear... did you get onto him? As I said before, he was very helpful for me and actually swapped a lens for me twice. Hope it works out.

What did you get?
 
woof woof said:
Doesn't sound like it's any better than my Rokkor 50mm f1.2 :D

I've posted this before but any excuse... :D...

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Don't panic Raymond, I'm not being serious about my Rokkor being as good as the Canon 85mm.
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It has a slow but at least accurate, working auto focus :p

That's the thing, the 85/1.2 came round the era where Canon's way to show off what they can push in terms of engineering of their lenses, to make a 1.2 auto focus lens is not easy, to move that amount of glass accurately is extremely difficult because the depth of field is so thin. I really doubt they will update this lens because I feel that part of their history is over and they are moving more towards putting IS in their lenses as opposed to making bigger and bigger aperture lenses. I mean the 200/1.8 made way for the 200/2.0 and I think the 85/1.2 will eventually be phrased out, similarly the 50/1.2. It's why people were so shocked to see the Sigma 135/1.8.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
For me, I want the Canon 84/1.4L IS, mostly for the IS. At the moment the 85L goes back into the bag in the evening because the focus is too slow for evening dancing, I "make do" with a 50/1.4 instead which is fine since it's normally in a small room so 85 is too long anyway.

Also….gear whore and all that, plus the IS.

You can tell the 85L by the bokeh, due to the electronic, when shooting wide open you get a "cut" on the circle. That's not why I get it though.

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It's for its separation.

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What's your hit rate like? Imagine f1.2 on a dslr can be a bit hit and miss. Much calibration needed?

had a couple of these lenses on a couple of a7rii's and loved it. Unfortunately on both the focus performance fell apart in low light. So went with the g master which is a lovely lens and the continuous eye af is great at 1.4
 
addicknchips said:
What's your hit rate like? Imagine f1.2 on a dslr can be a bit hit and miss. Much calibration needed?

had a couple of these lenses on a couple of a7rii's and loved it. Unfortunately on both the focus performance fell apart in low light. So went with the g master which is a lovely lens and the continuous eye af is great at 1.4
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Err, not as good as the 35L, it is a lot better if I focus with Dual Pixel AF. The hardest part isn't actually focusing because if it finds it, it is DEAD ON. It's not even the speed of it, sure, it takes time to move from 1 extreme to the other as the lens moves the front element, the largest piece of glass to achieve it's focus. As opposed to the 135L where it moves the rear element. The difficulty is because the DoF is so thin, if you are a mm off, it is off, where as if you are shooting at F/4, you may be still off by the same amount but the DoF covers your ass and the shots is still in focus even though you may be not hitting the perfect middle ground in that DoF pane.

In that respect, although not perfect, I do get my photos…somehow.
 
My A-E adaptor arrived today so I can try out the Samyang 14/2.8 I bought last week. It's a solid lens but not huge and am happy to say that it's as sharp wide open as the 12/2 I had on my A6000 so I can't wait to get out and use it.
 
My Mrs before she was.

A7 and 35mm f2.8

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I'm not too good at processing and I wasn't happy with this picture until this evening when it seemed to work :D
 
Just wondered if anyone used/uses the Canon 70-200 f4 L IS with the MC11 on the A7Rii and what their experience was? I was using this combo whilst on holiday and found that the focus was very hit & miss. sometime it would work, others it would hunt for a while first and even worse on a few occasions wouldn't AF at all, just racked back and forward. It would then only regain focus if I turned the camera off and on again. I did ask on a separate thread without any joy so thought Id add in here. I want to make sure it isn't operator error before moving it on and replacing it with the Sony version. Camera was set to AFC
 
ChrisHeathcote said:
Just wondered if anyone used/uses the Canon 70-200 f4 L IS with the MC11 on the A7Rii and what their experience was? I was using this combo whilst on holiday and found that the focus was very hit & miss. sometime it would work, others it would hunt for a while first and even worse on a few occasions wouldn't AF at all, just racked back and forward. It would then only regain focus if I turned the camera off and on again. I did ask on a separate thread without any joy so thought Id add in here. I want to make sure it isn't operator error before moving it on and replacing it with the Sony version. Camera was set to AFC
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sounds pretty standard for longer focal length glass adapted. hit and miss.
 
Just some trees, no squirrels today. A7 and Minolta 55mm f1.7.

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I have only ever used it in AF-S and in good light it was pretty accurate and snappy in my experience.
 
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