The 2014 Season F1 Thread

Ricardodaforce said:
Yes of course the first thing a premium car brand wants to be associated with is unreliability.
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I agree but when did conspiricy and truth share the same bed
Unfortunatly since Monarco and then spa the conspiritors have been saying that Nico should give way to Lewis and make things equal and now it has happend
Its just bending the facts to suit the theory
 
It will probably all come down to the last race....
 
Still needs another DNF before things are evened up :p
 
Mikesphotaes said:
Still needs another DNF before things are evened up :p
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Do you reckon
The conspiritors have it this way
Monaco :- Nico 1st lewis 2nd due to Nico reversing up the run off and yellow flaging qually 3
Monza :- Lewis 1st Nico 2nd after Nico running down the chicane bypass allowing Lewis through
Spa :- Nico 1st Lewis dnf after Nico collision causing a puncture to Lewis
Singapore :- Lewis 1st Nico dnf due to loom fault

I think they are (due to cicumstances rather than skulldugery ) pritty even now
I only hope the championship is settled before the double pointer otherwise the stupid system will be with us for ever
 
fuzzyedges said:
Do you reckon
The conspiritors have it this way
Monaco :- Nico 1st lewis 2nd due to Nico reversing up the run off and yellow flaging qually 3
Monza :- Lewis 1st Nico 2nd after Nico running down the chicane bypass allowing Lewis through
Spa :- Nico 1st Lewis dnf after Nico collision causing a puncture to Lewis
Singapore :- Lewis 1st Nico dnf due to loom fault

I think they are (due to cicumstances rather than skulldugery ) pritty even now
I only hope the championship is settled before the double pointer otherwise the stupid system will be with us for ever
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What about Australia.....
 
fuzzyedges said:
Do you reckon
The conspiritors have it this way
Monaco :- Nico 1st lewis 2nd due to Nico reversing up the run off and yellow flaging qually 3
Monza :- Lewis 1st Nico 2nd after Nico running down the chicane bypass allowing Lewis through
Spa :- Nico 1st Lewis dnf after Nico collision causing a puncture to Lewis
Singapore :- Lewis 1st Nico dnf due to loom fault

I think they are (due to cicumstances rather than skulldugery ) pritty even now
I only hope the championship is settled before the double pointer otherwise the stupid system will be with us for ever
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Much simpler than that, Lewis had 3 and Nico only 2, therefore one more due to Nico!
 
Well, people I know in the motor racing game reckon that young Verstappen is perhaps the most talented driver since Senna and is well capable of delivering a strong performance.

Current F1 cars are less physical to drive because they have less downforce and hence they have less lateral and braking forces than F1 cars of the past. They are sliding about a lot more this year and are actually more difficult to drive than last year's cars. Ask Herr Vettell.

There's a lot of krap being bandied about by the F1 ancients like Prost, Herbert et al about how easy the cars are to drive compared to cars that they drove. The cars today are overcomplex, no denying that and making them technically more straightforward would be a benefit IMHO. Not least it would mean that the drivers would be able to cope with the required settings without so much intervention/support from the pit wall.

I would like to see a bit of stability in the regulations, there has been some great racing this year, just not at the front of the field.
 
Mikesphotaes said:
Much simpler than that, Lewis had 3 and Nico only 2, therefore one more due to Nico!
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Australia wasnt nico's fault Lewis dnf so they are now equal
I often wonder what Nico's internal punishment was but now they are equal
GeeJay57 said:
Not least it would mean that the drivers would be able to cope with the required settings without so much intervention/support from the pit wall.
I would like to see a bit of stability in the regulations, there has been some great racing this year, just not at the front of the field.
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If they and it is an IF ban perfomance data from the pit and wherever all it will mean is the data will appear on the dash
You have to accept that modern racing is data driven and now they know how to extract the data it will never go back to just a rev counter as much as sitting high behind the engine will
The perceved image of F1 is not that these cars are easeir to drive but that these cars are being artifically manipulated hence the whole of F1 is getting manipulated and is about as real as wressling
Yes there has been great racing but there is still that smell of it all being stage managed for the show
 
F1 is a fast moving set of advertising hoardings and has been for many years. There are occasional flashes of interesting racing but they're getting to be an endangered species.
 
Without the revenue from advertising, TV rights, sponsorship, motorsport in general would die out. For those that are not interested in motorsport, no great loss. For those of us that are interested, it's part of the deal whether it's grass roots or F1.

I don't agree that the cars/results are being stage managed any more than they have been in the past.
 
GeeJay57 said:
Without the revenue from advertising, TV rights, sponsorship, motorsport in general would die out. For those that are not interested in motorsport, no great loss. For those of us that are interested, it's part of the deal whether it's grass roots or F1.

I don't agree that the cars/results are being stage managed any more than they have been in the past.
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I can't agree motorsport would die out. There's an old truism "How much does motor racing cost?' "How much have you got?" It might change. It might contract and there might be fewer cargo planes of kit being airfreighted all round the world, but there'll always be some form of motorsport while two chavs say "My stanced Vauxhall Corsa is better than your stanced Vauxhall Corsa!"

FWIW, I've just flicked on the Silverstone BTCC finals meeting on the TV and seen a full grid of 15 years olds racing in the Ginetta Junior series. That's nearly all family money and I know from experience that "family money" actually pays for an awful lot of sign-written, extensively-marketed racing cars at surprisingly high and expensive levels of professional motorsport!
 
Yves Geza said:
I can't agree motorsport would die out. There's an old truism "How much does motor racing cost?' "How much have you got?" It might change. It might contract and there might be fewer cargo planes of kit being airfreighted all round the world, but there'll always be some form of motorsport while two chavs say "My stanced Vauxhall Corsa is better than your stanced Vauxhall Corsa!"

FWIW, I've just flicked on the Silverstone BTCC finals meeting on the TV and seen a full grid of 15 years olds racing in the Ginetta Junior series. That's nearly all family money and I know from experience that "family money" actually pays for an awful lot of sign-written, extensively-marketed racing cars at surprisingly high and expensive levels of professional motorsport!
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I don't want to see a bunch of Ginettas pootling round I want to see F1, which would die out without the big bucks. Even simplified F1 cars would cost a fortune to design, build and run.
 
Yves Geza said:
I can't agree motorsport would die out. There's an old truism "How much does motor racing cost?' "How much have you got?" It might change. It might contract and there might be fewer cargo planes of kit being airfreighted all round the world, but there'll always be some form of motorsport while two chavs say "My stanced Vauxhall Corsa is better than your stanced Vauxhall Corsa!"

FWIW, I've just flicked on the Silverstone BTCC finals meeting on the TV and seen a full grid of 15 years olds racing in the Ginetta Junior series. That's nearly all family money and I know from experience that "family money" actually pays for an awful lot of sign-written, extensively-marketed racing cars at surprisingly high and expensive levels of professional motorsport!
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That was very good racing IMO. A grid of similar cars being driven to their limits by young guys who wanted to win. Loads of passing, and apart from the lap 1 chaos, it was all pretty well behaved - apart from the nutter who hit the brakes at the finish to let his mate through.
 
GeeJay57 said:
I don't want to see a bunch of Ginettas pootling round I want to see F1, which would die out without the big bucks. Even simplified F1 cars would cost a fortune to design, build and run.
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You didn't see it then?
 
andy700 said:
You didn't see it then?
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I've seen Ginettas racing before and agree that it's great (no I ddint see today's coverage from Sliverstone), but it's not F1 is it? The racing may be 'better', but the reality is that the drivers aren't as good as the F1 drivers except Maldonado, the cars are not as impressive as F1 cars. It's like comparing apples with oranges, both fruit but really quite different. You stick to Ginettas if you want to..
 
GeeJay57 said:
I've seen Ginettas racing before and agree that it's great (no I ddint see today's coverage from Sliverstone), but it's not F1 is it? The racing may be 'better', but the reality is that the drivers aren't as good as the F1 drivers except Maldonado, the cars are not as impressive as F1 cars. It's like comparing apples with oranges, both fruit but really quite different. You stick to Ginettas if you want to..
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I really like F1, but at times I really do find myself dropping off to sleep, when it becomes a procession. Yes, F1 cars are quicker and it is more glamourous, but this racing had me focussed on the telly more, because there was action at every corner.
 
2014 FORMULA 1 JAPANESE GRAND PRIX


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Suzuka
Race Date: 05 Oct 2014
First Grand Prix: 1987
Number of Laps: 53
Circuit Length: 5.807 km
Race Distance: 307.471 km
Lap Record: 1:31.540 - K. Raikkonen (2005)

UK Times
Fri 03 October 2014
Practice 1 02:00 - 03:30
Practice 2 06:00 - 07:30
Sat 04 October 2014
Practice 3 03:00 - 04:00
Qualifying 06:00
Sun 05 October 2014
Race 07:00

Previous Winners
2013 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Suzuka
2012 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Suzuka
2011 Jenson Button McLaren Suzuka
2010 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Suzuka
2009 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Suzuka
2008 Fernando Alonso Renault Oyama
2007 Lewis Hamilton McLaren Oyama
2006 Fernando Alonso Renault Suzuka
2005 Kimi Raikkonen McLaren Suzuka
2004 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Suzuka
2003 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari Suzuka
2002 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Suzuka
2001 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Suzuka
2000 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Suzuka

Alonso 2012 on board
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Mansell 1990 on board
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Facts from the last race
Lewis Hamilton is in the lead of the drivers’ championship for only the second time this year after winning the Singapore Grand Prix.

Hamilton’s seventh win of the season means he has now won half of the races so far this year. It was his second victory in Singapore, where he last triumphed for McLaren in 2009.

For the third time this year Hamilton won from pole position and set fastest lap on the way. That was his fifth career ‘hat trick’, giving him as many as Fernando Alonso and three fewer than Sebastian Vettel. The record is held by Michael Schumacher, who has 22.

The only thing that kept Hamilton from a ‘grand slam’ was the two Red Bull drivers, who each led one lap of the race. In Vettel’s case, it was the first time he’d led a race all season, making him the ninth driver to do so.

Hamilton racked up his 29th win, 37th pole position and 18th fastest lap – the latter putting him level with David Coulthard.

Jean-Eric Vergne equalled the best result of his career so far with sixth place, which he also scored in last year’s Canadian Grand Prix.

Behind him Sergio Perez took seventh for Force India and Nico Hulkenberg backed him up in ninth. The team now have 117 points, beating their previous best of 109 which they scored two years ago. This is partly thanks to their strong finishing rate. They are the only team who are yet to see either of their drivers fail to be classified as finishers due to a technical problem.

Having taken a three-point lead in Singapore Hamilton’s chances of winning the championship has risen enormously. Assuming Mercedes deliver on their potential to take one-two finishes in all the remaining races, Hamilton now has a 62.5% of claiming the title – a figure which was less than 10% before the weekend began.



Penalty points so far
Marcus Ericsson 5
Jules Bianchi 4
Pastor Maldonado 4
Kevin Magnussen 4
Valtteri Bottas 2
Adrian Sutil 2
Jean-Eric Vergne 1

Standings
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Few people taking a trip to the barriers today, thought Lewis was going to join them on the exit of Degner 2 but well saved.

Believe there's a chance of a drop of rain or two over the weekend ;)
 
its getting down to the nitty now!
 
In the worse kept secret ever, officially announced Vettel to leave RBR, unofficially announced to Ferrari for 2015 [Horner dropped the F bomb in a post press release interview], Kvyat to step up to partner Ricciardo, which presumably leaves Alonso off to McLaren. I have paid sod all attention to F1 this season, for the first time in 20 years, but I am still amused by the driver merry go round ;)
 
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Kvyat has just had a major upgrade, that's for sure! 1 season and he's in the big team! Good on him!

Vettel and Bianchi at Ferrari would be my choice because Kimi has done nothing unfortunately. Wonder how finger boy will look in orange mirrored Oakleys? :LOL:
 
It'll be who is no2 at Ferrari will be interesting. Seb hasn't enjoyed having a 'rookie' beat him several times this year.

Big crash for Hamilton in p3, mechanics have a lot to do
 
Yv said:
I have paid sod all attention to F1 this season, for the first time in 20 years, ;)
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This is being echoed all over the question is why?
The racing is good better than when schooe ruled nearly every race yet more and more hard core followers are turning there backs on the sport
My own belief is its not honest racing drs, two types of compulsory tyres, double points etc its becoming a show with actors
Such a pity
 
fuzzyedges said:
This is being echoed all over the question is why?
The racing is good better than when schooe ruled nearly every race yet more and more hard core followers are turning there backs on the sport
My own belief is its not honest racing drs, two types of compulsory tyres, double points etc its becoming a show with actors
Such a pity
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You might be right, but for me it was more about a limit to my interest threshold combined with taking up wedding photography and seeing less and less live races [hate watching them in delay, not the same] - I am only amazed I kept the interest as long as I did tbh. Got raging insomnia atm, so for the last couple of nights have found myself turning it on just because there is sod all else at silly o'clock. I think almost a full season away has dulled the dullness as it were and it was ok to watch... apart from that god damn annoying U2 advert in every break!!
 
Yv said:
You might be right, but for me it was more about a limit to my interest threshold combined with taking up wedding photography and seeing less and less live races [hate watching them in delay, not the same] - I am only amazed I kept the interest as long as I did tbh. Got raging insomnia atm, so for the last couple of nights have found myself turning it on just because there is sod all else at silly o'clock. I think almost a full season away has dulled the dullness as it were and it was ok to watch... apart from that god damn annoying U2 advert in every break!!
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You could use the Beeb coverage and have no adverts (for Japan)
 
They do practise sessions if it's their turn for a live race.
 
fuzzyedges said:
This is being echoed all over the question is why?
The racing is good better than when schooe ruled nearly every race yet more and more hard core followers are turning there backs on the sport
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Maybe something to do with having to pay if you want to watch every race live? And not wanting to make BE even richer and fund his bimbo daughters lifestyles?
 
f1charlie said:
And not wanting to make BE even richer and fund his bimbo daughters lifestyles?
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You paying to watch doesn't make BE any richer, whoever is the broadcaster has to pay the money, they just get their money back from the customer differently - Sky is subscription and ads, Beeb is licence fee. Makes no different to BE's cut whoever is showing it.
 
huffy said:
You could use the Beeb coverage and have no adverts (for Japan)
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and end up having to watch EJit?

ive really enjoyed this season, its been good, but hopefully next year will be closer between teams
 
Matt said:
and end up having to watch EJit?

ive really enjoyed this season, its been good, but hopefully next year will be closer between teams
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A very shrewd fella who stole a march on every other commentator last year!
 
Had to laugh at Vettel, unable to control his car but looking for a new challenge:rolleyes:
 
Mikesphotaes said:
The fella that stole a march on every other commentator last year?

Nowhere near a eedjit!
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well as I cant stand the man, I dont know what hes been churning out as I choose to ignore him by watching Sky insteadd, but on previous form he would rattle off things he 'knew' with a hit rate of 1 in 5, though he did call Schumacher going to Merc correctly.
 
Matt said:
and end up having to watch EJit?

ive really enjoyed this season, its been good, but hopefully next year will be closer between teams
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Could well be Jenson with the mike next year if either Alonso or Vettal takes his ride away
Next year the leading teams may have to slow down to allow the lower teams a sporting chance or they could introduce a weight handicap or the fast teams can only run on 5 cylinders
There are alot of sporting measures Bernie (if he is still in F1) can bring in
 
its a shame if button doesnt have a drive.
 
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