The 2014 Season F1 Thread

H2O said:
I thought he retired in Canada because the ERS failure put strain on the rear brakes causing them to fail? Rosberg had the same issue but to a lesser degree (possibly in part down to the different brake bias they were running earlier in the race) & was able to manage the problem & salvage 2nd place.

There was a suggestion however that Hamilton simply isn't hitting the pit box as accurately causing the crew to have to shift position slightly & slowing the stop. Not sure how much truth there is to that though.
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Exactly this, the only difference being that Rosberg changed the bias towards the front 1 lap earlier than lewis. On such small differences are woerld championships won.
 
He'll say anything to keep F1 in the news for free.
 
fuzzyedges said:
If ive read this right
Toto Wolff says it was correct to give Lewis the team order and Lewis was correct to ignore it
Wish I could learn management speak
http://www.pitpass.com/52212/Hungary-by-the-Wolff
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He seems pretty clear here:

Lewis was asked to let Nico pass because we believed they both still had a chance to win the race as the strategies played out. But Nico never got close enough to Lewis to make the move - and we were ultimately comfortable with the decision Lewis made to hold position.
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Dave1 said:
He seems pretty clear here:
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With hindsight and management speak everyone was correct Spin doctoring in the political arena
Except why was the instruction given when Nico was not in a position to pass bearing in mind Mercedes have been very proud of there let them race policy At the time they were asking Lewis to slow
I find Toto's statement bovine droppings
 
Never really saw an issue with what Lewis did, the first 'instruction' from the team was to not hold Nico up, well he didn't as Nico didn't get close enough at that stage of the race. No racing driver is going to slow down in order to let his team mate catch up surely, not while the championship is still up for grabs anyway
 
PaulF said:
Never really saw an issue with what Lewis did, the first 'instruction' from the team was to not hold Nico up, well he didn't as Nico didn't get close enough at that stage of the race. No racing driver is going to slow down in order to let his team mate catch up surely, not while the championship is still up for grabs anyway
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It was not what Lewis did it was the instruction from a team when they had said they would let there drivers race for the sake of F1 and now they are about turning so there will be no more close racing between the two merc drivers, unless by accident
Wolff told APA, is that “If Paddy says something on the radio, this is followed even if at that moment it appears irrational to the drivers”.
http://theformula1.com/f1-news/mercedes-drivers-told-obey-team-orders-now.html
 
Does that mean the guy in jail that pleaded guilty of taking a bribe from Bernie is still guilty but bernie isnt guilty of giving him a bribe
Its so funny how money turns things around
 
Ecclestone's lawyers insisted in a statement that Tuesday's outcome is not a "deal nor a settlement, even less so a 'buying out'."
Rather, it shows that a "conviction of Mr Ecclestone could not be expected with any likelihood".

So its more of an insurance policy in case the judge throws a wobbly
Who would pay out a small fortune on somthing that was going to be free and clear your name for good
Now he is neither guilty or innocent but most will believe he is guilty
Lets see what Mercedees make of this
We all know what they say is often different to what they do
 
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Well, Montezuma's been working for Ferrari for about 40 years and is in his mid/late 60s so maybe he felt like retiring before they sink?
 
Maybe he isnt getting his way on rule bending so maybe the honerable proffesion of politics is for him
Lets hope someone like Ross Brawn appears and puts the mighty team of Ferrari back where they belong, dumps the politics and designs a team that makes a winner
 
2014 FORMULA 1 SHELL BELGIAN GRAND PRIX


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Spa-Francorchamps
Race Date: 24 Aug 2014
Circuit Name: Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
First Grand Prix: 1950
Number of Laps: 44
Circuit Length: 7.004 km
Race Distance: 308.052 km
Lap Record: 1:47.263 - S Vettel (2009)

UK Times
Fri 22 August 2014
Practice 1 09:00 - 10:30
Practice 2 13:00 - 14:30
Sat 23 August 2014
Practice 3 10:00 - 11:00
Qualifying 13:00
Sun 24 August 2014
Race 13:00

Previous Winners
2013 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Spa
2012 Jenson Button McLaren Spa
2011 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Spa
2010 Lewis Hamilton McLaren Spa
2009 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari Spa
2008 Felipe Massa Ferrari Spa
2007 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari Spa
2005 Kimi Raikkonen McLaren Spa
2004 Kimi Raikkonen McLaren Spa
2002 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Spa
2001 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Spa
2000 Mika Hakkinen McLaren Spa
1999 David Coulthard McLaren Spa
1998 Damon Hill Jordan Spa
1997 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Spa
1996 Michael Schumacher Ferrari Spa
1995 Michael Schumacher Benetton Spa
1994 Damon Hill Williams Spa

Alonso 2005 on board
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Andre Lotterer will replace Kamui Kobayashi at Caterham


Daniel Ricciardo joined the ranks of the multiple grand prix winners with his second victory of the year at the Hungaroring.

He is the 73rd driver to win more than one race, and joins other two-time winners such as Wolfgang von Trips, Patrick Depailler, Jean-Pierre Jabouille and Elio de Angelis.

On his way Red Bull passed their 3,000th lap in the lead. They are fifth in the all-time list but need almost twice as many again to catch Lotus, who are on 5,623.

For the second race in a row Hamilton broke his personal best record for most places gained during a race. Having made up 17 in Germany, he climbed 19 in Hungary (aided by Daniil Kvyat failing to get away on the formation lap). The all-time record position gain is 30 in a world championship race (Jim Rathmann, 1957 Indianapolis 500) and 26 in a Formula One race (Roberto Mieres, 1954 British Grand Prix), both of which are obviously unbreakable for now as the current grid is too small.

It was Mercedes 100th Formula One race and Hamilton’s 50th podium.

Alonso is now the only driver to have scored at every race this year – Nico Hulkenberg’s crash on lap 15 ended a 12-race run of points finishes which began at last year’s United States Grand Prix. Force India’s run of points finishes this year also came to an end when Sergio Perez crashed out.

Jenson Button became the eighth different driver to lead a race this year, heading the field for a single lap. The last time a season was completed with no more than eight different race leaders was in 2011.

Penalty points so far
Jules Bianchi 4
Pastor Maldonado 4
Valtteri Bottas 2
Kevin Magnussen 2
Adrian Sutil 2
Marcus Ericsson 2
Jean-Eric Vergne 1


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Hissing wet Spa qualy!

This'll be an Andre Lottery, won't it! ;):whistle:
 
Well, the crowd showing what they think, Rosberg being booed as he enters the rostrum area.
 
Ruined the race for Hamilton after he made such a good move. Boo'd lots on the commentary.
 
Racing incident or not, I hope Paddy and Toto will be having stern words afterwards. Alonso driving out of his skin once again, good to see. LH's 'we need to stop' sounded more defeatist than tactician, though - if there's one thing LH could learn from Nico it's a little more even temperament. Of course, if there's one thing Nico can learn in return it's how to corner without hitting someone...
 
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Toto Wolff and Niki Lauda have been pretty uncompromising in their criticism and opinion of Rosberg.

Quite different from the usual double speak PR terms normally used.
 
BBC reporting that Rosberg admitting to Hamilton in the post race debrief to it being a deliberate hit...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28921431

"We just had a meeting about it and he basically said he did it on purpose," said Hamilton.

The 2008 world champion added: "He said he could have avoided it, but he didn't want to. He basically said, 'I did it to prove a point'."

Hamilton said he was "gobsmacked" by Rosberg's admission, although the German has not confirmed himself whether he made such a remark.
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j crossley said:
Well I suppose they could always make a dummy for cry-baby Hamilton from all the rubber he left on the track.
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Another driver apparently admits to deliberately crashing into him and wrecking his race and you decide to deride him for complaining?
 
tough for Mercedes now, if he admitted that and worked for me, hed be sitting out the next race.
 
Would the stewards and the FIA have something to say about deliberately causing an accident?

Just a thought.
 
huffy said:
Would the stewards and the FIA have something to say about deliberately causing an accident?

Just a thought.
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Indeed.. What would everyone have said if it had been Maldonado or Grosjean running into the back of Hamilton. Not very impressed by Nico at all, showing all the signs of a spoilt brat...
 
huffy said:
Would the stewards and the FIA have something to say about deliberately causing an accident?

Just a thought.
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I had that thought, if it is confirmed by the team (or a recording of the meeting becomes public) I can't see how the FIA can avoid getting involved, there is precedence, most recently by Nelson Piquet Jr, deliberately causing that accident essentially killed his career...
 
Well, he's not British, is he? ;)
 
Because of his antics, Monaco for a start and now yesterday
 
Nico (like Alonso before him), can't deal with the fact that Lewis is the quicker driver. Schumacher didn't like it when others were quicker than him either and tried, sometimes successfully, to use unfair moves to achieve his objectives (ask Damon)..

This happens a lot on the racetrack, even though it shouldn't. Not sure what anyone can do about it either. I'd like to see Nico be stripped of the points he secured on Sunday and start from the back of the grid or be obliged to sit out the next race or perhaps only race for team points for the next race or maybe all three... Won't happen of course. He'll maybe get a slap on the wrist and will carry on as per normal...

Disappointing really, I'd never really thought of Nico as being like that, but it only shows that we never really get to know these folk. We only get glimpses of their real personalities..
 
I don't think that Rosberg is a cheat.

He got a run on Lewis & tried an ambitious overtake, his dropping in behind Lewis was misjudged by a few inches, a simple mistake.There was every chance that he would have lost his wing, Lewis not punctured, & his race would have been over. I don't believe he would have been prepared to roll that dice. If he'd managed to stick it around the outside he'd have been a hero!

Lewis has put his own spin on what Wollf called a very heated exchange. They've obviously had a shouting match, but Wolff said, very quickly, that Nico had been misquoted, but had said that he 'held his line'. I think it would have been much smarter if he'd admitted his mistake, but when young egos are having a row, 'smart' doesn't happen often!

Lewis conveniently forgets his own misdemeanours, of course, & acts like he's whiter than white. I find that disappointing. He was quite happy to ease Nico on to the grass, Hungary, when he'd already passed him around the outside, & turn is engine mode up against orders in Bahrain - that is documented cheating, if we're looking for someone not playing fair! Lewis could be a bit more humble & perhaps should be reminded of that incident on these occasions.

Clearly the team will be annoyed, & need to reiterate the need for ultimate caution when they race together, from BOTH drivers. This is the first contact between them, I think, which isn't too bad considering the situation.
 
Nod said:
Well, he's not British, is he? ;)
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Tautology, isn't it! Cheating and Foreigner - two words that mean exactly the same thing to Britain's sofa racers! :LOL:

FWIW, there are some obvious parallels between Lewis Hamilton now and Nigel Mansell twenty years ago. In brief, British. Quite quick. Bit thick!

They also seem to have acquired the same sort of fans too, here as well as everywhere else. It seems that booing is the new "F*** Senna" bedsheet banner! Twitter and the internet are much better, and more immediate than Stan Piecha in Monday's The Sun :D

Same fan support for one driver or other. Same sweetly naive innocence of what really happens when you go motor racing. It ain't quite like that!!

Just as the quicker Hamilton couldn't beat the obviously slower Rosberg to pole on Saturday, it seems he couldn't work out what was going to happen on Sunday afternoon! Reading betwen the lines, I have no doubt that in their Thursday "clear the air" meeting, Nico left no doubt that with a driver's championship points advantage, he wasn't going to back away from his teammate as he did twice at the beginning of the year. I equally presume that after the race what the Hamilton PR machine Twitter account actually reported was that Nico said something along the lines of "I told you so; why didn't you believe me?"

In reality it was just a racing incident with determination rather than a Senna on Prost " full throttle attempted murder" hit! Incidentally I believe Senna learnt that way of winning from a British driver who made it to Formula 1 by deliberately full throttle ramming one of those cheaty foreigners at Thruxton in 1976! Nico was quite simply happy to leave the wheel in and we'll see who gets away with it.
 
I have watched it several times now, and I am convinced that Nico braked or lifted off, when Lewis cut back across him. The fact that it was only the end part of the front diffuser which punctured Lewis' N/S rear, shows that there was almost no coming together.
When Lewis was at McClaren he tried a few dodgy moves on Jensen, one of which resulted in Lewis having to retire.
 
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