The 2012 Season F1 Thread

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What ever your views are about schumacher he has certainly made an impression on F1
Fia introduced the leave a space rule when doing the one move thing (Schumacher vs barrichello 2010 and the pit wall)
Fia introduce DRS disabled under yellow flags rule (schumacher valencia, escaping penalty in yellow flag area with drs open)

Hes not done too bad in the penalty game I thought he would have had more by now
Discounting Bahrain 5 places for a gearbox and Chinese £5000 unsafe release
He has had Spanish repremand for leaving track fp3 with no explanation to stewards
Spanish collision with Senna 5 places dropped
Monarco collision with Grosjean still under investigation No one seems to know what happened to that stewards inquiry
Thats not bad for a hard man on the track, as they are saying he is coming on form
2011 four penalties all year worst being a stop go
 
cobwebscavern said:
I'm guessing you have added in Maldonado there just to provoke a reaction yes? If you are seriously saying that you think that moving accident is a better racing driver than Di Resta then I don't think that I can possibly find any common ground with you on this topic. I'll grant you he is more engaging in that stuff happens round about him but I cannot agree on any level that he is a better driver. Kovalinen meh really?...the others could be argued over.
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Out of that lot, Maldonado is the only one who's won a race. Might be a bit tasty on the track at times, but he's fun to watch and can win in lesser machinery. I think he's good for F1 and I enjoy watching the pre-madonnas bitching about him.
 
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@cobwebscavern - it was indeed a mod, me, that said you don't have to justify, and nor do you, it was you that decided it must be because he was Scottish and ran with it, no one else and as you have since agreed, there was no disrespect shown to Di Resta. Not answering Damien's question about the origin of the word 'Jock' is your prerogative, but seems a bit mean given it was asked genuinely, and not a request to justify anything.

However, going back to F1 and just for you, you can at least take heart that for his entire F1 career, I was a huge Couthard fan [gutted he is still with the BBC, loved him and Martin on commentary] Like anyone that has followed F1 for years, I was not blind to his failings, but thats part of the whole parcel of supporting someone, be it a team, individual or nation in any sport I guess. ;)

As for the current crop and apart from Button, another I have backed from his early days [for my sins & generally poor effect on my well being], I find it hard to pin my colours to any mast, as it were [age maybe?]. Does make it easier to view them all with equal-ish amounts of enjoyment when they do well and like most people, fling insults at the screen when they make a hash of it :lol:

I already mentioned Di Resta in an earlier post, possibly one for the future, but hard to say atm, his history says he should be good, but many others that have failed in F1 came from a very successful background.
Maldonado - could be brilliant, has shown a LOT of ability, but is also a crash magnet... could end up as an Alonso... or a Massa... :|

For me, Grojean shows all the signs of being signs of being the future competition to Vettel. He is no where near the finished article yet, still gets caught up in too many incidents and makes mistakes... but so did Vettel until...well, less than 2 years ago. If he wasn't way out in front, Vettel struggled, he had absolute raw pace but his racing brain hadn't caught up and only now has he learned to race cleverly when the car isn't lightyears infront of the rest.

I have never been fond of Alonso or Kimi, happy to admit their out of car personas are the main reason, but can agree and respect that both are incredibly quick drivers. Alonso strikes me as the one with the better brain behind the wheel - still a flipping childish dummy spitter out of it though, when he wants to be :p

Kobayashi - there is part of me that would love to see him do really well, but I doubt he will. Feisty little chap though and great fun to watch :D

Kovaleinen - nope, another that seems a lovely chap [and I once saw him down to his briefs in the back of a truck at Goodwood :love: ] but for want to a better expression, he is a seat filler. Will probably help Caterham develop the car well enough, but not a race winner in F1 for me.


As to who will be where - there seems to be a general consensus from the paddock press that Webber will have his swan song at Ferrari next season [the deal is allegedly done], which will leave a big fat opening at RBR.....

I also would not be surprised to see Hamilton leaving McLaren, not Button..... but there is no earthly reason why he would unless a prime seat is available, in other words, Ferrari or RBR.... whatever happens though, I don't Massa spending another season as team mate to Alonso, I think that is a given.


Women drivers in F1...yeah, bring it on, when there is one good enough :naughty:
 
Yv said:
For me, Grojean shows all the signs of being signs of being the future competition to Vettel.

I have never been fond of Alonso or Kimi, happy to admit their out of car personas are the main reason, but can agree and respect that both are incredibly quick drivers. Alonso strikes me as the one with the better brain behind the wheel - still a flipping childish dummy spitter out of it though, when he wants to be :p
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Sums up Grosjean pretty well I'd say.

I'll differ on the second paragraph. Not a fan of FA. But Kimi has grown on me.
His attitude just makes me laugh. I'd love to see him on the top step again.
 
Ragwort said:
Sums up Grosjean pretty well I'd say.

I'll differ on the second paragraph. Not a fan of FA. But Kimi has grown on me.
His attitude just makes me laugh. I'd love to see him on the top step again.
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Kimi is a legend just for the "I was having a ****" to Martin Brundle live on ITV.

I am warming to Alonso. He's not the baby he was during the McLaren era and he's doing wonders with a sub-standard car. Outside of it, he's changed a lot too. I see a lot more of him on the pre-race coverage than you guys do and he comes across as an ok guy now.
 
From Autosport.com:

Being beaten by a girl was obviously irresistible wind-up fodder for the BBC's Jake Humphrey in one of his pre-race build-ups when David Coulthard had just finished behind Wolff (Susie Stoddart) in a DTM race. But DC stole his thunder. "Two actually," he replied, "I finished behind Ralf [Schumacher] as well!" :lol::lol:
 
The sponsership of maclaren by coke could be off the mark
Coke may be coming in but maclaren are already sponsered by Lucazade and lucazade and coke a cola are already in competion with each other over Lucazade cola
 
Ricardodaforce said:
From Autosport.com:

Being beaten by a girl was obviously irresistible wind-up fodder for the BBC's Jake Humphrey in one of his pre-race build-ups when David Coulthard had just finished behind Wolff (Susie Stoddart) in a DTM race. But DC stole his thunder. "Two actually," he replied, "I finished behind Ralf [Schumacher] as well!" :lol::lol:
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:lol: Typical 'Late Years' DC .... after leaving McLaren he suddenly found he was allowed personality. Couple of my favourites, and I can never quite remember the exact quotes so these are paraphrased, but radio transmissions along the lines of...

RBR "How does the car feel David?"
DC "it won't steer, it won't brake and it has no grip, but apart from that, bloody marvellous"

RBR "David, we need you to go a bit a faster"
DC "Hey great idea, I hadn't thought of that"

:lol:
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Hmmmm interesting. I really thought he'd go to Ferrari. In that case who will play second fiddle? My second bet was Perez, but recently Di Montezemolo said he's still not experienced enough. That, of course, will also apply to Jules Bianchi....
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Dont write off Massa yet
Ferrari do make unexpected calls
 
Yv said:
:lol: Typical 'Late Years' DC .... after leaving McLaren he suddenly found he was allowed personality. Couple of my favourites, and I can never quite remember the exact quotes so these are paraphrased, but radio transmissions along the lines of...

RBR "How does the car feel David?"
DC "it won't steer, it won't brake and it has no grip, but apart from that, bloody marvellous"

RBR "David, we need you to go a bit a faster"
DC "Hey great idea, I hadn't thought of that"

:lol:
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It's no surprise that DC personality came through at the same time he left Mclaren as Ron had a thing for the Finnish mentality of 'No emotion'. Likewise Lewis has shown a more likeable personality since Ron left and I've warmed to him a lot more than I did when he first arrived.
 
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Ricardodaforce said:
Hmmmm interesting. I really thought he'd go to Ferrari. In that case who will play second fiddle? My second bet was Perez, but recently Di Montezemolo said he's still not experienced enough. That, of course, will also apply to Jules Bianchi....
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Surely they dont want anyone good next to Alsonso incase he explodes like he did next to Hamilton?

Whats Luca Badoer up to these days?
 
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maff said:
Surely they dont want anyone good next to Alsonso incase he explodes like he did next to Hamilton ?
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I think that can be said of the top four teams He who is no1 is always happier and dosnt sulk (exception Lotus)
Hammy had his lip out last year when jenson seemed to be the favorite of the maclaren team
This year webber is happiest in the red bulls 16 points in front of vettal
Alonso is way happier than massa with 106 points at furry
Raikkonen is Raikkonen at lotus even with a lead of 22 points over Grosjean
and Hammy is over the moon with 42 points over Button

You can be sure Hammy messed with Alonsos head when he was at maclaren
but not half as much as Jenson messed with hammys last year

Which is why Massa will race furrys next year He dosnt mess with alonso and when on form can secure the main title which is the constructers
 
Ive just read That the Daily Mail (hoho) are running a story that Hammy is disscussing racing with Lotus
Sportsmail understands that the 2008 world champion would consider a move to Lotus now that they have returned to form which propelled Fernando Alonso to two world titles in their former guise as Renault.

just how they square that with Kimi and Romain Ive no idea
Its something ive never thought of and it sounds like bovine droppings to me
 
On the seats merry-go-round Fuggari are the only team who can't cope with 2 even(-ish) drivers...they have always, in recent history at least, had a clear number one driver and a second. As long as Alonso is there I can't see any other driver from a top team moving.

Hammy to Lotus is (in the immortal words of Homer Jay Simpson) grade A bullplop.

DC is a top bloke and a lovely family altogether (the family business is haulage).

On that thought how about an embarrassing photos of drivers selection?

I'll start with this one >
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Indeed it is Ricardo.....he had a HUGE jaw even back as a kid.

That one was easy seeing as I was talking about DC...ok some other F1 people then:

1/
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2/
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3/
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4/
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and 5/ totally easy but just to laugh at the 'tache
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cobwebscavern said:
Pics
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1 - Jenson Button

2 - ???

3 - Mika Hakkinen

4 - The eyebrows where so thin back then, Fernando Alonso

5 - Classy guy, that's Herman Schlonghammer in the early 1990's soft core German adult flick "Racer's Finishing First". While it was not his best movie the film still won awards for it's classic guitar work and script.
 
fuzzyedges said:
Bernie is insisting London not ruled out and not a joke
www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/281306/london-plans-not-a-joke-insists-ecclestone/

If its at night they may be able to put the water sprinklers on the lamp posts
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The London F1 thing was purely a publicity stunt....the webpage cannot even report the correct country of origin of the bank in question so I wouldn't put any faith in that.

Bernie would say the moon was made of green cheese if he thought it would generate publicity and/or income.
 
MackieStaggie said:
1 - Jenson Button

2 - ???

3 - Mika Hakkinen

4 - The eyebrows where so thin back then, Fernando Alonso

5 - Classy guy, that's Herman Schlonghammer in the early 1990's soft core German adult flick "Racer's Finishing First". While it was not his best movie the film still won awards for it's classic guitar work and script.
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Ya...I haff come to give you new injectors...I promise I will come from behind and finish strongly :naughty: oohh eerr missus.

...and all right but I'll leave number 2 hanging for a while to see if anyone gets or guesses right.
 
MackieStaggie said:
1 - Jenson Button

2 - ???

3 - Mika Hakkinen

4 - The eyebrows where so thin back then, Fernando Alonso

5 - Classy guy, that's Herman Schlonghammer in the early 1990's soft core German adult flick "Racer's Finishing First". While it was not his best movie the film still won awards for it's classic guitar work and script.
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2 is Senna [Ayrton, not Bruno]
 
mmm you lot are good. (assuming it was all knowledge and no right-clicking)

Need to find tougher ones for next time - Anyone else got any fun F1 pics?
 
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He got in there before me.....the "professor" always had a distinctive look.
 
Charlie whiting has clarified the blocking move rule (possibly after hammy and mad Mal had a love in )
It reads you can use all the track to block provided the car you are blocking isn't significantly along side you and if you move back to the racing line you must leave a cars width to the edge of the track No off track move allowed if it cant be justified

Significally's definition is if the car behinds front wing is level or in front of the front cars rear wheels that is significant

Watch out for lotus in Germany even though Grosjean has a 5 place drop for gearbox change
 
Marussia has ruled out a problem with its car as the cause of Maria de Villota's recent testing accident, after concluding its own investigation into what happened.
 
fuzzyedges said:
Charlie whiting has clarified the blocking move rule (possibly after hammy and mad Mal had a love in )
It reads you can use all the track to block provided the car you are blocking isn't significantly along side you and if you move back to the racing line you must leave a cars width to the edge of the track No off track move allowed if it cant be justified

Significally's definition is if the car behinds front wing is level or in front of the front cars rear wheels that is significant

Watch out for lotus in Germany even though Grosjean has a 5 place drop for gearbox change
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No mention of 'one move only'?
 
I was just reading about Jacques Villenueve getting a limited race deal in Australian V8 Supercars, and it struck me what a wasted career he had. Hero to zero. I love watching him in IndyCar years ago, he was ALWAYS exciting. He won the championship, moved to F1, finished 2nd in the championship in his first year, won it in his second, then nothing!
His stupid loyalty to Craig Pollock was his downfall.
It's hard to think of someone else that slid so rapidly from the top to the bottom.
 
Seems to be a common theme with Williams... ditch your champions. Frank must be hard nosed over money and world champion drivers getting above themselves.
 
It always was the cars that won with Frank not the drivers
made for end of contract negotiations intresting
 
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