The 2012 Season F1 Thread

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cobwebscavern said:
Fair enough but if you are going to say that you don't like someone at least try and justify it otherwise it's the same as someone posting a pic for crit and purely getting a reply like "it's cr@p"....If anyone wants to say that they don't like any driver that's ok but give a reason.

I listed numerous reasons why Di Resta is a great driver and a nice guy.

For the "kraut" thing see my comments above...
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I think if you read Mattys post he actually uses the term 'can't warm to him' simply because he cannot put his finger on exactly why... other wise he would have said 'don't like him because...' You can debate it all you want, but we are human and our nature is [yours included] that there will be other humans we just cannot for any quantifiable reason find it in ourselves to like [or even dislike]. That is not bashing someone ....


As for your other comment, I guess hypocrisy is fine too then... do unto others and all that....
 
fuzzyedges said:
I was reading today that Susie Stoddart will be testing for Williams later this year. As you know there's never been a successful female Formula 1 driver. Do you think there ever will be?
I can see no reason why there shouldnt be
In fact I am amazed there isnt, the era of chauvernism has passed, hasnt it
Tactics and stratergy are the name of the game nowadays
There is just not that many in the frame out there at the moment
A good driver is a good driver irrespective of anything
A paid seat , publicity stunt or both is another thing altogether
I am sure Williams have picked Mrs Stoddart on merit as a development driver
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It amazes me that Bernie Ecclestone didn't find a way to bring Danica Patrick into the fold. It would have been a PR goldmine! I know her NASCAR career isn't going as planned, but she was a race-winner in single-seaters.
 
cobwebscavern said:
Isn't this the same stuff as the Andy Murray thread but just a different Scot that is getting bashed? Di Resta has totally outperformed his team-mate and gained the bulk of FI points and has finished all bar 2 races he has started. He is a team player, never bad mouths anyone and always has time for fans and journalists.

What's not to like?
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eh?? I havent said anything about him being Scottish! The only one who cares about that is you :bang:

I just dont think hes that good yet and dont think hes a good partner for Rosberg. So what if he beat Vettel, look back through some old team-mates of great F1 drivers and you'll find people like Liuzzi who showed huge talent but failed in F1 to really make an impact and live up to it in F1

as for totally outperforming.. 10 points ahead and is 5/3 ahead in quali, hardly wiping the floor with Hulkenburg...if you want totally outperforming, look up alonso / massa

Personally I couldnt give a crap if hes a team player, nice to children or if he goes to old folks' homes and gives Granny Bartram and old Mr Hibbins a sponge bath every tuesday, i just dont think that hes that good et, perhaps he lacks that spark that Hamilton, Schumacher, Vettel, Alonso, Raikkenon and other world champs seem to have. Nice people like Barrichello dont win world championships.
 
Hill would have had another championship if he'd hoofed schumacher off the track instead of the other way round...that Williams Renault was so good even Villeneuve won WDC in it.

im pretty sure that Clarke, Hill and Surtees came from a different era when you shared a car and where actual team mates..
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Jim Clarke, Graham Hill, John Surtees.....
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...spot the common factor....looong time ago.... and they weren't that nice either... not behind a wheel




For the record though, I would include Jenson Button too, but even he didn't win it until he had toughened up a bit as well as having the car under him. Its more about being a tough cookie in the car, being totally driven and whilst Di Resta isn't a pussy cat, I don't think he is an Alonso or even a Vettel just yet....he may be though, in the not too distant future...we shall see.
 
cobwebscavern said:
Fair enough but if you are going to say that you don't like someone at least try and justify it otherwise it's the same as someone posting a pic for crit and purely getting a reply like "it's cr@p"....If anyone wants to say that they don't like any driver that's ok but give a reason.

I listed numerous reasons why Di Resta is a great driver and a nice guy.

For the "kraut" thing see my comments above...
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I dont rate him, I dont have to justify the reasons.
Ive not been disrespectful about him, however you have called Vettel a Kraut...Vettel who has won 2 world championships and has a string of pole positions..in the Torro Rosso Vettel looked like a future champ, DiResta hasnt shown that yet in arguably a better car than the TR was
 
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Button was driving a car that was lightyears ahead of the field and got a good headstart, which is why he won. Nice guy, damned fast car, same as Hill...
 
F1 is driver and machine vs drivers and machines with in a formula nothing more complicated
Once you get into the celebrity stakes youve lost your way
I find it hard to say who is a nice person and who isnt from the few minutes I see them on the flickering screen talking the corperate talk
but i know who is driving well with the machine they have under them and who isnt


Is honky button not correct then
 
Ricardodaforce said:
It amazes me that Bernie Ecclestone didn't find a way to bring Danica Patrick into the fold. It would have been a PR goldmine! I know her NASCAR career isn't going as planned, but she was a race-winner in single-seaters.
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Danica is not that good a driver in my opinion, 1 race win in the Indy cars and it was a gifted win at Motegi Speedway where the physical demands are lower than elsewhere. On the road courses where the physical demand of the tracks are much higher, she struggled pace wise despite being in a team which had one of the top packages at that time.

As for nice guys don't win championships......absolute twaddle. Can I mention Dario Franchitti and Dan Wheldon.
 
schumacher was (and is, ask Barrichello after MS nearly put hi into the pitwall) a hard driver, its the way that the drivers will stop at nothing to be the best, THAT is what im talking about. the driver and machine are what wins, when Button won WDC he had a massive lead before the others caught up, then he wasnt so good. Senna and Prost, hard, aggressive drivers who would happily take each other out if they thought they would gain advantage from it
 
MackieStaggie said:
Danica is not that good a driver in my opinion, 1 race win in the Indy cars and it was a gifted win at Motegi Speedway where the physical demands are lower than elsewhere. On the road courses where the physical demand of the tracks are much higher, she struggled pace wise despite being in a team which had one of the top packages at that time.
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careful now, you'll have people accusing you of being sexist..

As for nice guys don't win championships......absolute twaddle. Can I mention Dario Franchitti and Dan Wheldon.
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when did they win F1 WDC?
 
MackieStaggie said:
Danica is not that good a driver in my opinion, 1 race win in the Indy cars and it was a gifted win at Motegi Speedway where the physical demands are lower than elsewhere. On the road courses where the physical demand of the tracks are much higher, she struggled pace wise despite being in a team which had one of the top packages at that time.

As for nice guys don't win championships......absolute twaddle. Can I mention Dario Franchitti and Dan Wheldon.
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Yep, after I posted I thought about those two too. Danica was mentioned for her HUGE pr potential. But credit where it's due, she is by far the most successful female IndyCar/Champcar/CART racer.
 
matty said:
careful now, you'll have people accusing you of being sexist..
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Bring it on ;)

matty said:
when did they win F1 WDC?
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Granted they didn't, but both won the Indy Car Championship and the Indy 500, not an easy feat by anyone's imagination....besides the question wasn't limited to F1 drivers :rules:
 
no, it wasnt limited but as its discussing F1...

Indycar..Yes Franchetti does well in that sport, however Bourdais, joint 4 time Champion sucked massively in F1...Takuma Sato sucked massively in F1 but does better in Indycar..just shows that F1 and Indycar are not the same at all.
 
Slimbert said:
Would that be the same kind of idiot that refers to overweight women as "Lardy"?! :p

My great uncle Andy was from Scotland, and he would always introduce himself to people using his nickname, which all the way up until his death at 82 years old, was "Jock".....how come it's offensive all of a sudden?! (that's a genuine question btw)

We even have a couple of TP members who have "Jock" as part of their username.....presumably by their own choice!! :shrug:
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In the Dambusters movie the dog was called nigger....I wonder why it isn't called that anymore? Kudos to your Uncle but I find it offensive and have done for years.

@Matty...there was a question mark in there that you might have missed....I asked not stated. Di Resta is a better driver than most in F1 right now IMO ad as i stated I can't see anything not to like about him...you haven't offered anything to counter that other than a gut feeling. Agreed you haven't been disrespectful.
 
matty said:
no, it wasnt limited but as its discussing F1...

Indycar..Yes Franchetti does well in that sport, however Bourdais, joint 4 time Champion sucked massively in F1...Takuma Sato sucked massively in F1 but does better in Indycar..just shows that F1 and Indycar are not the same at all.
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Bourdais was Champ Car champion not IndyCar. Different type of car, different series. I think he's won Le Mans too. I dunno why he couldn't adapt to F1. Zanardi and the other guy who nearly died in a testing crash (can't recall his name, drove for Williams I think) had the same issue.
 
There hasn't been a top notch female driver in any of the big formulas. Period.

Michelle Mouton in rallying was decent and Danica's best was 2nd in Formula Ford AFAIK.

Not saying that there won't be in the future but up to now there hasn't been any female driver worthy of a F1 drive.
 
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cobwebscavern said:
There hasn't been a top notch female driver in any of the big formulas. Period.

Michelle Mouton in rallying was decent and Danica's best was 2nd in Formula Ford AFAIK.

Not saying that there won't be in the future but up to now there hasn't been any female driver worthy of a F1 drive.
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As mentioned above. Danica won in IndyCar.
 
cobwebscavern said:
I find it offensive and have done for years.
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I know you find it offensive, but I was genuinely wondering why.....I'm wondering if I'm missing something as I've never known it to be generally accepted as a derogatory word?!

Although, I have to plead ignorance tbh, as I don't know where it originates from.....my guess is that's it's a soilder/army thing?!
 
matty said:
no, it wasnt limited but as its discussing F1...

Indycar..Yes Franchetti does well in that sport, however Bourdais, joint 4 time Champion sucked massively in F1...Takuma Sato sucked massively in F1 but does better in Indycar..just shows that F1 and Indycar are not the same at all.
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Bourdais drove a Torro Rosso, so lets be fair to him that car sucked worse than it does now. Even still he had a good few races in Austria and Belgium in which he finished inside the top 10 and ahead of a certain German driver. Sato was in the Jordan, BAR and Super Aguri....apart from the Jordan he never had a great car to race with. I think it goes to say more about the difference in car performance than it does drivers.
 
Slimbert said:
I know you find it offensive, but I was genuinely wondering why.....I'm wondering if I'm missing something as I've never known it to be generally accepted as a derogatory word?!

Although, I have to plead ignorance tbh, as I don't know where it originates from.....my guess is that's it's a soilder/army thing?!
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My understanding from this thread and what one of the Mods has typed is that you don't have to justify what you think about someone or feel. It's offensive to me (and several friends incidentally). Let's move on and get back to the F1 topic eh?
 
cobwebscavern said:
@Matty...there was a question mark in there that you might have missed....I asked not stated. Di Resta is a better driver than most in F1 right now IMO ad as i stated I can't see anything not to like about him...you haven't offered anything to counter that other than a gut feeling. Agreed you haven't been disrespectful.
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Di Resta has totally outperformed his team-mate and gained the bulk of FI points and has finished all bar 2 races he has started. He is a team player, never bad mouths anyone and always has time for fans and journalists.
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I already pointed out that he hasnt totally outperformed him and that he hasnt got the bulk of the points, hes doign better yes but has a full race season in the team headstart while Hulkenberg was only a test driver. I dont see him as a potential world champion, not for a very long time. Kobayashi, Perez, Maldonado, Grosjean, Kovalinen and others are better and are more engaging to watch.
 
cobwebscavern said:
My understanding from this thread and what one of the Mods has typed is that you don't have to justify what you think about someone or feel. It's offensive to me (and several friends incidentally). Let's move on and get back to the F1 topic eh?
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Didn't say you had to justify it, just asked a question is all.....I genuinely wondered if I was missing something, and thought you might be able to help.....clearly not!! :shake:

Anyway, as you say.....back to the F1!! :thumbs:
 
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cobwebscavern said:
My understanding from this thread and what one of the Mods has typed is that you don't have to justify what you think about someone or feel. It's offensive to me (and several friends incidentally). Let's move on and get back to the F1 topic eh?
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ive justified it, we are all allowed personal opinion. My opinion is he aint as good as others in the field. I refer back to the point about Vettel at Torro Rosso.
I dont recall ever having to provide lap by lap data to prove that i dont think he is that good, it is, after all, just my opinion. :shrug:

On the other hand, you do appear to have persecution issues.

For the record, my mother was german...however im not at all offended by the use of the word Kraut, im actually more offended by hypocrasy shown by crying that someone got called a jock, but then firing off the K word.:bang:
 
Just somthing about F1


Coca cola could be on its way to sponser F1 (Maclaren favorite) they own relentless ring any bells for the bike fanatics
What with red bull and Eq8 and Monster we could be over run with bubbles
Where as it used to be tobacco
The money just keeps rolling in

Is limey hamilton okay?
 
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MackieStaggie said:
Bourdais drove a Torro Rosso, so lets be fair to him that car sucked worse than it does now. Even still he had a good few races in Austria and Belgium in which he finished inside the top 10 and ahead of a certain German driver. Sato was in the Jordan, BAR and Super Aguri....apart from the Jordan he never had a great car to race with. I think it goes to say more about the difference in car performance than it does drivers.
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sato was terrible, he has had 2 poles in Indycar though, and some good finishes!
Bourdais deserved a better chance..he would have done much better in a better car, but patience seemed to be in short supply for him.
 
cobwebscavern said:
There hasn't been a top notch female driver in any of the big formulas. Period.

Michelle Mouton in rallying was decent ....
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Desiré Wilson!

Her career in the late '70s and early '80s suffered much more from her being South African than from being a woman and she was pretty top notch-ish quick in everything she drove!
 
matty said:
On the other hand, you do appear to have persecution issues.
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Of course he does, he's Scottish...we all do. ;) :lol:

I think with the term 'Jock' it all depends on the context the term is used in. I have some other workmates who I play football with who get away with calling me Jock and that's fine, however some people have the tendency to put 'Sweaty' in front of it, changes it from a term of endearment to a derogatory phrase, one that I've challenged more than once.

If it's true that Coca Cola are looking to get involved with Mclaren as main sponsor....wouldn't they need to change the colour to red?
 
matty said:
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I already pointed out that he hasnt totally outperformed him and that he hasnt got the bulk of the points, hes doign better yes but has a full race season in the team headstart while Hulkenberg was only a test driver. I dont see him as a potential world champion, not for a very long time. Kobayashi, Perez, Maldonado, Grosjean, Kovalinen and others are better and are more engaging to watch.
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I'm guessing you have added in Maldonado there just to provoke a reaction yes? If you are seriously saying that you think that moving accident is a better racing driver than Di Resta then I don't think that I can possibly find any common ground with you on this topic. I'll grant you he is more engaging in that stuff happens round about him but I cannot agree on any level that he is a better driver. Kovalinen meh really?...the others could be argued over.
 
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Maldonado, when not driving like an utter penis, is actually pretty good and a race winner, Kovalinan is a race winner.
 
MackieStaggie said:
Of course he does, he's Scottish...we all do. ;) :lol:

I think with the term 'Jock' it all depends on the context the term is used in. I have some other workmates who I play football with who get away with calling me Jock and that's fine, however some people have the tendency to put 'Sweaty' in front of it, changes it from a term of endearment to a derogatory phrase, one that I've challenged more than once.

If it's true that Coca Cola are looking to get involved with Mclaren as main sponsor....wouldn't they need to change the colour to red?
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Could be interesting if coke do take sponsorship, however Vodafone just got a little red on the car, so maybe just a bit of red?
 
MackieStaggie said:
If it's true that Coca Cola are looking to get involved with Mclaren as main sponsor....wouldn't they need to change the colour to red?
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Diet coke?? silver and red

Beaten too it
Wont be until end of 2013 when and if vodaphone pull out
 
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matty said:
Maldonado, when not driving like an utter penis, is actually pretty good and a race winner, Kovalinan is a race winner.
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Priceless :lol:...sadly for me his memberishness pervades everything he does and I class his 1 win (so far) as more luck than skill.

Wonder if the Coke sponsor thing comes from Gary Anderson banging on about about the coke bottle area all the time. Maybe someone got the wrong idea?
 
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