Taking pics in RAW...

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format, what are the benefits??

I currently take pics in Jpeg, fine format ;)

I do believe however that RAW pic format takes up more room.
 
RAW takes up more (cheap) space because the file contains all the raw information from the camera! JPEG throws info away before you even see it. You can do much more with a raw in pp - there are loads of threads on here covering it all already. try the search!
 
RAW takes up more (cheap) space because the file contains all the raw information from the camera! JPEG throws info away before you even see it. You can do much more with a raw in pp - there are loads of threads on here covering it all already. try the search!

Why thanking you I will take a look, but tbh at the stage I am at now with taking pics and with my editing software I doubt I will notice the difference or be able to edit more than the basics :lol:.. not really sure what you mean by cheap space but taking up more space may not be great when I am away on my hols :)
 
RAW is the way to go, far more can be done with your image in post processing. Hard drive space is cheap these days, probably cheaper than it has ever been. You can buy 1 terrabyte external hard drives for under a hundred quid. And if you don't know how to use photoshop or other image editing software..... learn! It's important, because then you will start to get better results than JPEG can ever give you :)
 
Cheap space - I meant both hard drives and CF cards are now very cheap - no excuse there not to use RAW. It's the way forward.
 
RAW is the way to go, far more can be done with your image in post processing. Hard drive space is cheap these days, probably cheaper than it has ever been. You can buy 1 terrabyte external hard drives for under a hundred quid. And if you don't know how to use photoshop or other image editing software..... learn! It's important, because then you will start to get better results than JPEG can ever give you :)

I have an external HD of 500GB which will be useful :D

I love Photoshop and editng pics, but I no longer have it and now I am starting to learn GIMP which is smilar but not as slick (it is free though)...

So the biggest plus is that you can do alot more editing... interesting especially like you say when I get better and want to create wacky pics :nuts:
 
I have an external HD of 500GB which will be useful :D

Go buy another one - you need to back your pictures up!

Also have a look at the free trial of Lightroom - much better than PS or Gimp for most photo editing - and it does lots more besides.
 
Cheap space - I meant both hard drives and CF cards are now very cheap - no excuse there not to use RAW. It's the way forward.

It's the future :D :)

Sorry couldn't resist!!
 
What you will get from raw?
1) When taking pictures you dont have to think about WB
2) You can process really under/over-exposed photos to make them usefull
3) You can process more stuff in RAW with lessdamage to picture quality
When turn of RAW?
1) If size matters
2) If processing photos looks boring to you
 
Go buy another one - you need to back your pictures up!

Also have a look at the free trial of Lightroom - much better than PS or Gimp for most photo editing - and it does lots more besides.

They are all backed up and I have loooooooads of room at the mo, so I may give it a go :)

I may give it a peek :D
 
What you will get from raw?
1) When taking pictures you dont have to think about WB
2) You can process really under/over-exposed photos to make them usefull
3) You can process more stuff in RAW with lessdamage to picture quality
When turn of RAW?
1) If size matters
2) If processing photos looks boring to you

I love processing pics and I have a 16GB memory card, so I am going to change the setting now... no point not having the option to fix what could be a great pic :D

Once editied will I be able to change/save it into a Jpeg file??
 
Yes - you can save it as whatever you like. IF you buy Lightroom - then all the editing on the RAW file is non destructive - and you can go back to it at anytime and re-edit. You can output as jpeg or tiff .
 
All images start as Raw, which is the naked image file unadjusted for anything except exposure level. So you can do anything you want with it later, within reason, and 99% of the time it will then end up output as a JPEG anyway.

When you shoot JPEG only, you decide how the Raw will be processed before you take the picture, by setting the in-camera image processing paramenters (white balance, sharpness, contrast, saturation, noise reduction etc etc). They are applied instantly, and the Raw is deleted. (Whether you shoot Raw or not, what you see on the LCD is a tiny JPEG processed in just the same way, and that also drives the histogram/blinkies and contains the Exif data. It is tagged to the Raw for reference purproses.)

Put that another way, if you shoot Raw, and then post process it using exactly the same settings as applied in-camera, the result will be identical. In that sense, there is no advantage to shooting Raw - might as well let the camera do it. So unless you want to do something in post processing that you can't do with the basic in-camera adjustments, there's no point in Raw. But if you make a mistake, there is less scope for changes or recovery with the JPEG, because you can't change any of the data that has been discarded, if you find you need it after all.

To cover all your options, shoot Raw and JPEG. Adjust up your camera pre-sets carefully, set the white balance and exposure just as you want them, and you'll probably never need to use the Raw. But it's always there just in case. The only downside is in memory card space (and sometimes processing speed) because the Raw files are about four times larger than a best quality JPEGs. But at less than £20 for 8gb or memory card these days, memory is cheap.
 
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Just looked in my camera I have many options... would NEF (RAW) + Jpeg fine be the best??
 
All images start as Raw, which is the naked image file unadjusted for anything except exposure level. So you can do anything you want with it later, within reason, and 99% of the time it will then end up output as a JPEG anyway.

When you shoot JPEG only, you decide how the Raw will be processed before you take the picture, by setting the in-camera image processing paramenters (white balance, sharpness, contrast, saturation, noise reduction etc etc). They are applied instantly, and the Raw is deleted. (Whether you shoot Raw or not, what you see on the LCD is a tiny JPEG processed in just the same way, and that also drives the histogram/blinkies and contains the Exif data.) It is tagged to the Raw for reference purproses.

Put that another way, if you shoot Raw, and then post process it using exactly the same settings as applied in-camera, the result will be identical. In that sense, there is no advantage to shooting Raw - might as well let the camera do it. So unless you want to do something in post processing that you can't do with the basic in-camera adjustments, there's no point in Raw. But if you make a mistake, there is less scope for changes or recovery with the JPEG, because you can't change any of the data that has been discarded, if you find you need it after all.

To cover all your options, shoot Raw and JPEG. Adjust up your camera pre-sets carefully, set the white balance and exposure just as you want them, and you'll probably never need to use the Raw. But it's always there just in case. The only downside is in memory card space (and sometimes processing speed) because the Raw files are about four times larger than a best quality JPEGs. But at less than £20 for 8gb or memory card these days, memory is cheap.

Thanks for this... if I understand correctly RAW files will always need editing after as the camera does no work for you. Hmmm editing could become a full time job for me then as I am just a beginner :lol:
 
Its all part of the fun, and LR makes it a doddle!

I've sent it do do both in fine, so I can see :cool:

Strange just taken a pic and I expected to see two pics of different formats, but I only see one with RAW and Jpeg on the info...
 
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It does the jpeg in fine - the Nef is the RAW - you can't change the settings for that. In my opinion it's a waste of time shooting jpeg and RAW - just shoot RAW.
 
It does the jpeg in fine - the Nef is the RAW - you can't change the settings for that. In my opinion it's a waste of time shooting jpeg and RAW - just shoot RAW.

Hi awp - I can see you are determined to upset the 'jaypeggers only' fraternity :naughty:
 
When you download the images then do you get two of the same image?? As in one RAW and one Jpeg... can't try now as I am at work!!
 
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Not at all - just my opinion.

Yes you'll get two files for every click.


The save as both is a good tip if you need to give clients a quick file but you want a RAW for yourself or extra post.

Also if you use a camera with 2 card slots you can have 2nd card save jpgs as backup just in case and one card will hold the whole job backups. But personally I just shoot RAW and my backups are RAW too.
 
Will you be using GIMP to edit the raw files? You may have to download the RAW editor for Gimp. I did and i find it absolutely useless. If i open a RAW file it comes out usually completely blue or dark or light or some other extreme version of the image...very odd!

If you do not have PS the get PS Elements, it's very cheap (about £50) and will edit your RAW files correctly, or use the software that came with your Nikon.
 
Yes i'm using GIMP at the mo... when I get some money I may invest in Elements (spent too much on my new camera this month). :)
 
shoot RAW only moo moo. the jpeg is a waste of space.
 
I shoot everything in RAW, both personal and commercially, and I never suffer from piles...

Seriously, RAW is the way to go...

Correction - There is an occasion where I shoot jpeg, and that is when I shoot for timelapse
 
I'm sorry to hijack this thread and put my query rather than starting a new thread.
I also shoot in jpeg all the time but now thinking of starting to shoot in RAQ after reading all the posts here. I've seen many people recommending PS lightroom. What do you all think about aperture 3 as compared to Lightroom. I've got macbook pro and with new mac app store you can buy aperture 3 at a very a cheap price (i think it's £45 as compared to £170 for instore price).
 
I'm sorry to hijack this thread and put my query rather than starting a new thread.
I also shoot in jpeg all the time but now thinking of starting to shoot in RAQ after reading all the posts here. I've seen many people recommending PS lightroom. What do you all think about aperture 3 as compared to Lightroom. I've got macbook pro and with new mac app store you can buy aperture 3 at a very a cheap price (i think it's £45 as compared to £170 for instore price).

Doesn't matter which RAW editor you use, just use the one that suit's you.
Main thing is you always have the original RAW file, that's the important bit.

My friends all use Lightroom now, but as much as I've tried it I still go back to Photoshop raw for my editing.
 
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Doesn't matter which RAW editor you use, just use the one that suit's you.
Main thing is you always have the original RAW file, that's the important bit.

My friends all use Lightroom now, but as much as I've tried it I still go back to Photoshop raw for my editing.

thanks for replying.

See this is the thing - nothing suits me at the moment because i've not tried any!! i don't do much editing apart from cropping in Iphotos on mac. But I would like to develop editing skill. So that's why I wanted to ask if somebody has used aperture 3 and lightroom both - what they think about those 2 softwares for editing raw files.
 
I'm sorry to hijack this thread and put my query rather than starting a new thread.
I also shoot in jpeg all the time but now thinking of starting to shoot in RAQ after reading all the posts here. I've seen many people recommending PS lightroom. What do you all think about aperture 3 as compared to Lightroom. I've got macbook pro and with new mac app store you can buy aperture 3 at a very a cheap price (i think it's £45 as compared to £170 for instore price).

Lightroom seems favourite if you want to get stuck into post processing, but as mentioned above, it's the Raw working that really matters rather than the software.

Are you sure that's a full copy of Lightroom for £45, and not an upgrade package?
 
It's the aperture 3 which is about £45 at mac app store. I'm not sure about the lightroom.
 
It's the aperture 3 which is about £45 at mac app store. I'm not sure about the lightroom.

Oh sorry, I misread you post :bonk: :lol:
 
I use Nikon Capture NX2 (prefer to to Lightroom and it's cheaper) and Nikon View NX (free) and it has the beauty that all the in camera settings are retained so you can shoot RAW then easily create a JPG from the raw without needing to do any extra processing.
The "standard" Nikon picture control is OK ("vivid" is pretty gross) and the new "portrait" Nikon picture control is superb. I mostly just do minor WB adjustments or minor exposure adjustments in RAW which I would not be able to do if I just shot jpg.
 
The day you take a cracking picture in jpg but the white balance is all screwed meaning you are left with no real way of rescuing the snap is the day you'll start shooting raw.

Happened to me and i now shoot raw. And with being a beginner i now have the chance to rescue far more pictures.

Its a nobrainer to me.

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But people like me who have totally NIL editing software skills, shooting in RAW is a scary experience as I don't know what to do with imported RAW image etc...

So hi-res jpeg is more suited to my basic skills at present.
 
Once you understand RAW you'll have no need for jpegs, which only take up space on your card. Your processed RAW images will make jpegs superfluous.
 
It's probably ok shooting in RAW, but if you don't understand how to manipulate the RAW image/tweak it/change it/then turn it into a jpeg, then your waisting your time I believe.
 
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