STOLEN D3s + D300s & more :(

I currently have a Nikon 17-55 2.8 as well as a Tamron 28-75 2.8 so if you need to borrow one let me know, live in Longstanton so not a million miles from you.

Thanks Simon - that's a wonderfully kind offer. I will let you know if I need it but I'm hopeful the insurers will come good - although I'm about to post an update on that!!
 
Ryan

Really sorry mate, just remember material things can be replaced no matter how precious they are replaceable.

More important is your safety and well being...it looks like the good folks on TP are doing their best to help you through this. I am probably not the first but just checked ebay and nothing on there yet. Truth is though based on your description of these characters the kit will probably be sold by now for a couple of hundred quid all in to fund a couple of days getting high!

Do make sure you have all the locks changed.

Just a thought, if you were dealing with one of the scumbags while his mate fleeced your coat do you not have a record of the one you dealt with for the police to check it out? I am sure there is a reason why this may not be valid...

Good luck and I hope you get sorted.

Cheers...Kevin.

PS The only help I can offer you is to design a "Saw" type mechanism that will twist the arms and feet off these little ******* when the are eventually caught.

Kev - I've given the name of the suspect to two different coppers now. They've both told me that although I'm porbably right with my hunch they cannot do anything until they have actual evidence. HOWEVER they've told me today that they have uncovered finger and shoe prints from my house so they are running them through their database. Funny *** 'cos the forensics lady said she hadn't found any??

Oh, and I've patented my special SPD ("Saw Punishment Device") ready for these ****** ****** ******s
 
What car was it Ryan, what age/colour? I'll keep an eye open for it since I'm only down the road from you. PM m if you don't want it posting publically

Kev

Kev- It's a silver Ford Focus TDCI. Number plate AJ51 ZHF.

I know it sounds stupid but the fact I've lost my car really is at the back of my mind. I need a car badly for work but it's the cameras that I keep thinking about :(
 
Man, I'm so sorry about that :( Will deffo keep my eyes open.
 
Update # 4367

Evening all,

Today I went over to my insurers in Spalding (nr Peterborough). By some fluke I had every receipt for the cameras, lenses, grip, tripod and tripod head. The only receipts I didn't have were the filters, CF cards and bags. So all good there :)

Now - they've REALLY scared me. According to my policy - theft has to be via "VIOLENT AND FORCIBLE ENTRY".

But having my keys that didn't need to be violent or forcible.

So I'm now sweating that they are gonna say - "not covered - tough"

It's been left that a Loss Adjustor is going to contact me (probably Monday) to discuss the details of the lost items etc. I suspect he is going to be particularly interested in how they got in :'(

As promised I will let you all know the outcome but right now I'm thinking of looking for an £8k bank loan or additional mortgage. :(

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Although you have separate cover, does your household insurer not cover the equipment as well, or some of it anyway depending on the value of certain cameras? Considering they were taken within the home, I'd have thought you'd have some cover in place, unless they're used for your business.
 
Although you have separate cover, does your household insurer not cover the equipment as well, or some of it anyway depending on the value of certain cameras? Considering they were taken within the home, I'd have thought you'd have some cover in place, unless they're used for your business.

The home insurers have already started to sort out the non-camera stuff. I'm jsut hoping they will honour the camera stuff too if the photography insurers refuse. Long shot I guess.....
 
I'd be surprised if the home insurers wouldn't cover it.
 
Now - they've REALLY scared me. According to my policy - theft has to be via "VIOLENT AND FORCIBLE ENTRY".
You might want to read the small print of your policy VERY carefully.

Mine has that phrase "violent and forcible entry". But the context is subtly different: I am covered for theft, but excluding loss or damage if the business premises are let or sub-let, unless the theft involves forcible and violent entry to the premises.

In other words, once we've unjumbled all those dependent clauses:
- so long as I don't let or sub-let the premises, I'm covered;
- if I do let or sub-let the premises, I'm still covered if there is forcible and violent entry.

Basically that "violent and forcible entry" clause is only there to ensure I'm not covered if I have a tenant and he steals stuff. (Which is fair enough I suppose.) Yours might be the same. If you have trouble getting your head around the legalese, post the exact wording here and I'd be happy to help interpret it for you.
 
Ryan,

Good advice from Stewart to read the policy fully. Do not rely on the insurer's interpretation.

If you need any assistance, let me know. In an earlier life I used to write insurance policies. Mainly Motor Insurance and Commercial Insurances but the wordings are very similar. I am a Chartered Insurer.

With modern, so called plain English, wordings there may well be a definition of "forcible and violent entry". If not be prepared to argue that it still required force to open the door, even with the keys

The real bugbear here is the condition that you should take reasonable care to safeguard the property. If you look, that condition will be there. Having said that the fact that your contents insurers are paying your claim they do not share the view. Use that with your camera insurers.

Your household insurance will cover your cameras as long as the sum insured is adequate. You may, however, have a single article limit that is less that the value of the D3 - check.

Both policies will have a subrogation clause, which means if the items are insured twice, each will only bear their proportion of the loss. That shouldn't cause any problems but be aware of it just in case your household insurers quote it. They may also have a clause excluding items more specifically insured elsewhere - viz. your cameras.

Hope I haven't confused you and I hope all goes smoothly and you don't need to worry about exclusions and conditions but if you need any assistance, pm me. I'm on here most days a number of times and will happily assist.

Ken
 
Good to see this kind of advice from StewartR and Nikon Ken (and the offer from Simmontino which I will also match).

Not sure how good my advice is, but I'd be very careful not to incriminate yourself in your description of the events, especially in writing. Obviously not comparable in scale, but the single insurance claim I've made was for a stolen compact camera and other small items many years ago. It was refused under 'lack of due care and attention' as my bag was stolen from the back of a chair in a restaurant. I now bitterly regret my naive wording in the claim, as the insurance company used them to justify the refusal. I think I could probably get the same claim accepted today without telling any lies, just being careful not to incriminate myself.
 
I'd be interested to see a poll on how many have claimed on insurance and how many actually got paid out.
Hope your does get sorted out Ryanyboy
 
Ryan,

Good advice from Stewart to read the policy fully. Do not rely on the insurer's interpretation.

If you need any assistance, let me know. In an earlier life I used to write insurance policies. Mainly Motor Insurance and Commercial Insurances but the wordings are very similar. I am a Chartered Insurer.

With modern, so called plain English, wordings there may well be a definition of "forcible and violent entry". If not be prepared to argue that it still required force to open the door, even with the keys

The real bugbear here is the condition that you should take reasonable care to safeguard the property. If you look, that condition will be there. Having said that the fact that your contents insurers are paying your claim they do not share the view. Use that with your camera insurers.

Your household insurance will cover your cameras as long as the sum insured is adequate. You may, however, have a single article limit that is less that the value of the D3 - check.

Both policies will have a subrogation clause, which means if the items are insured twice, each will only bear their proportion of the loss. That shouldn't cause any problems but be aware of it just in case your household insurers quote it. They may also have a clause excluding items more specifically insured elsewhere - viz. your cameras.

Hope I haven't confused you and I hope all goes smoothly and you don't need to worry about exclusions and conditions but if you need any assistance, pm me. I'm on here most days a number of times and will happily assist.

Ken


Ken - thanks mate. That has actually made me feel much better. At 37 you'd think I could handle this sort of thing but earlier I really did feel miserable. I take so much care of my stuff that the thought of having to buy it all again really does my head in. Hopefully by arguing my case I will get them to realise that they used force to get in. They certainly weren't welcome!!

I have already warned my house insurer that I may have to claim from them so if Photo Shield (Winshover Howden) let me down I can always go back to them.

My mate runs the photography insurance section of Winsover Howden but it wasn't until yesterday that I realised they are only effectively a broker. The policy is actually underwritten by Sterling Insurance. Will be speaking to the loss adjustor Monday. Here's hoping......
 
Both policies will have a subrogation clause, which means if the items are insured twice, each will only bear their proportion of the loss. That shouldn't cause any problems but be aware of it just in case your household insurers quote it.

Not wishing to confuse matters but that would be contribution, not subrogation. Technically, you should disclose to both insurers that you have other cover in place, this will probably be asked on the claim form(s).

Theft by forcible and/or violent entry usually only applies to money or, as mentioned above, if the property is let or sub-let. A 'standard' policy wouldn't have this in place for all thefts, but with your camera insurers it may be different as it's not a home insurance contract and these specialist insurance contracts tend to be a lot stricter.

I'm a broker by full time trade, if you have a copy of your policy feel free to send it over to me and I'll have a look through it.

Cheers,

Dave
 
I hope the camera insurers do pay-out, I can't imagine it going down well with TP folks, can't imagine they'd be happy with the loss of business both directly and through word-of-mouth.

As with everyone else, I just hope it all gets sorted Ryan.
 
So sorry to hear this hope all works out for you and think on the positive side it can be replaced ...Good luck
 
I'm not sure if you have mentioned it, but whereabouts was the camera gear taken from, as I can only see you are from Cambs. Being in Peterborough I will keep an eye/ear out for your gear. Presume it was Cambridge the car was stolen from?
 
I'm not sure if you have mentioned it, but whereabouts was the camera gear taken from, as I can only see you are from Cambs. Being in Peterborough I will keep an eye/ear out for your gear. Presume it was Cambridge the car was stolen from?

The car was stolen from my office in Cambridge. They then drove 25 miles to my home in Chatteris to burgle me. Thing is - prime suspect told me he "stays with friends in Stevenage".

So it will most likely appear in either Stevenage or Cambridge I think.
 
Shows you that all this CCTV countrywide is just for watching us not for solving crimes, they must have been caught on dozens of cameras while driving your car 25 miles.
 
Dave - You are quite correct the clause I refer to is the Contribution Clause not the Subrogation Clause. I realised this shortly after I signed out last night and intended to correct my mistake. However, got side tracked and you have beaten me to it.

I agree with what you say about the "forcible and violent entry" clause but as it is specialist camera insurance, "All Risks" I would guess, it would be normal for this clause to be included but it's application may be limited to certain circumstances. Hence the comment about read the wording fully.

Ryan - Good news that your mate runs the broker side of your insurance. He should be able to interpret the wording and argue your corner. Having said that, my offer still stands if you need any assistance.

Good luck,
Ken
 
Dave - You are quite correct the clause I refer to is the Contribution Clause not the Subrogation Clause. I realised this shortly after I signed out last night and intended to correct my mistake. However, got side tracked and you have beaten me to it.

I agree with what you say about the "forcible and violent entry" clause but as it is specialist camera insurance, "All Risks" I would guess, it would be normal for this clause to be included but it's application may be limited to certain circumstances. Hence the comment about read the wording fully.

Ryan - Good news that your mate runs the broker side of your insurance. He should be able to interpret the wording and argue your corner. Having said that, my offer still stands if you need any assistance.

Good luck,
Ken

Bless ya Ken - thanks so much.

Have left a message for my mortgage adviser this morning. I've still got this idea in my thick head that the only one paying to replace this kit is me!!
 
Ryan,

Have trust - the insurance industry is much criticised but pays out in the majority of cases.

A minority of companies are inept rather than seeking not to pay. I had to argue right up to CEO with my Son's claim for theft of his car. The car was recovered damaged. They took months to declare it a total loss, withdrew loan car as wasn't now a damage claim, and then were so slow effecting a new car replacement under the terms of the policy leaving him without a car. The policy was via the AA who were totally useless and didn't understand their own wording. I got claim settled quicker than they were prepared to do and got £250 compensation from the insurer and another £250 from the AA.

Don't accept first answer.

I have searched online to see if there is a policy wording for Sterling. Found an outline of cover via a camera dealer. On the basis of the limited information online I wouldn't worry. The only forcible and violent entry limitation I could find should not apply to your circumstances. Just watch they don't quote that you didn't take due care. Be prepared to argue that one, all the way to the courts, if necessary.

Good luck,
ken
 
The car was stolen from my office in Cambridge. They then drove 25 miles to my home in Chatteris to burgle me. Thing is - prime suspect told me he "stays with friends in Stevenage".

So it will most likely appear in either Stevenage or Cambridge I think.

I have friends in that area too, who are also into photography, i'll get word to them. Hope all works out for you as soon as possible.
 
Shows you that all this CCTV countrywide is just for watching us not for solving crimes, they must have been caught on dozens of cameras while driving your car 25 miles.
Although the following words are not what anyone wants to hear, that statement is wrong.
No-one was hurt here, murdered or raped. The case with the police will be low-priority and so they wont just let someone sit through hours and hours of footage to get a car/camera equiptment back.

If however this was one of the mentioned above, I feel it would be a higher priority and therefore someone *might* be paid to sit and watch footage.


Evidence is always at a crime scene, its just how long/much money the police force can spend chucking at it...


I have read bits of this thread though and whats happend here is more common then people think.

Tips (albeit late I know :( ):
Never put your home address in your satnav, not even the last 3 digits of your postcode - You know your surrounding area's right?

Try to keep keys/mobiles on you at all times.

Keep a note of a neighbours number and do exactly what the OP has done and contact them, just try to make out to them that ANYONE entring the property until you knock on their door and tell them your home WILL be an intruder.



Hope the OP gets all the insurance sorted!
 
Although the following words are not what anyone wants to hear, that statement is wrong.
No-one was hurt here, murdered or raped. The case with the police will be low-priority and so they wont just let someone sit through hours and hours of footage to get a car/camera equiptment back.

They may have to sit through hours of footage in a case where they're looking for someone but have no idea who it is, picking a car up on cctv when they have the registration, a rough time of when it was taken and the direction it was driven in shouldn't take too long.

A crime is a crime and should be treated as a priority , that's what we pay out taxes for, not to be stuck on a shelf because it might take a bit of time to find the criminals.

I'm a believer in all crimes deserve to get the full attention of the law, stop the scumbag spitting in the street or dropping litter because he can't be arsed to put it in a bin 5 feet away and it may stop a bigger crime in the future
 
THESE SCUM NEED STRINGING UP IT MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL i hope you get your gear back and everyone i am sure will be looking out for cheap gear and letting you know(police are normally a waste of time)
 
Just a quick note to wish you luck and offer my comiserations on your loss.

But do take heart that insurance co's are better than most think, my daughter has just had a total loss car accident and my insurance co could not have been better, even offering more than I thought the car was worth!
 
ITS a sad state of affairs,these days ,when you can't rely on the police...they would rather have them sitting in cars for hours, catching people speeding..well its a nice little earner,the fastest they move in our valley,is to the chinese chuck-away and they dont pay for that either, Ryan, hope you get this sorted soon, gutted for you mate,if it was me ,i would still be crying...mark.
 
ITS a sad state of affairs,these days ,when you can't rely on the police...they would rather have them sitting in cars for hours, catching people speeding..well its a nice little earner,the fastest they move in our valley,is to the chinese chuck-away and they dont pay for that either, Ryan, hope you get this sorted soon, gutted for you mate,if it was me ,i would still be crying...mark.

Well if people didn't break the law by speeding the police would have time to catch the scum who stole this gear. Speeding is law breaking too.
 
and so is catching scum....

'and so is catching scum' what? I want these b*astards caught as much as you - and the police would have more resources to do that if they didn't have to pursue the b*astards that speed.
 
Not good at all - for what it's worth, my TomTom's 'Home' location is the middle of the Salisbury Plain Artillery-Impact Area...made me chuckle...

Hope the insurance pays up quickly, mate...
 
Bloody hell Ryan i'm really sorry to here this mate, i've not been on here for a few days so just catching up, i,m bloody gutted for you, if you need a loan of any kit just give me a shout you have my phone number, and i really hope the insurers get this sorted pronto.
 
The car was stolen from my office in Cambridge. They then drove 25 miles to my home in Chatteris to burgle me. Thing is - prime suspect told me he "stays with friends in Stevenage".

So it will most likely appear in either Stevenage or Cambridge I think.

But did he tell you the truth?
 
Sorry to read this but I'm afraid that theft seems to be a crime that does pay these days. I'm surprised that you don't seem to have a secure area for personal possessions whilst at work.
 
Bloody hell Ryan i'm really sorry to here this mate, i've not been on here for a few days so just catching up, i,m bloody gutted for you, if you need a loan of any kit just give me a shout you have my phone number, and i really hope the insurers get this sorted pronto.

Thanks Terry,

That's really kind of you mate. I'll keep it in mind. Once I get all this **** sorted out we'll have to get together again for a spot of picture taking. Hopefully we'll get better weather than last time.

Best wishes

Ryan
 
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