So Tottenham burns!

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Suzanne said:
I gather it's this Alexis Bailey: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...otional-interest-with-vulnerable-student.html

Didn't lose a teaching job for long as was "unlikely to reoffend".

As for Oxford: well trouble broke out in Blackbird Leys, Barton and Headington but that's actually quite normal behaviour. I wouldn't have classed it as a riot. But the police are watching out for trouble.

There was a threat made via Twitter to attack Witney (which is much nearer to me and my nearest town) as it's where the Prime Minister has his constituency offices. I did have a tantrum at the person who posted it: pointed out that we in that area are NOT to blame, we've tried really hard to build Witney into a decent town over the years and we will not appreciate any rioting, arson, looting, violence etc... nothing happened last night but I am still fearful. I sent the exchange of messages to the Police for their information. I'm not being a snitch - I just don't want to see any more violence escalating in totally pointless places.
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I don't want to see violence escalating anywhere, let alone in pointless places! I've been to Witney and it's a nice place... I just heard a rumour that they tried to set fire to a warehouse or wholesaler or something near the end of my road last night...
 
Suzanne said:
Robin: I am so sorry to read that. It really beggars belief and I have no idea what else to say except that my thoughts are with you.

A few other people in this thread have reported losses that are personal or they know people whose houses have been destroyed.

I wish I knew how to help people other than offer my genuine and heartfelt thoughts and prayers to you all.
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Likewise

Just staggers me and offends all sensabilities really:(
 
big soft moose said:
hot flash boris the doris finaly says something sensible

"The London mayor, Boris Johnson, has urged David Cameron to abandon the government's plans for substantial police cuts in the wake of four nights of rioting across England."
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Hmmm... the same Boris Johnson that took an axe to the Met Police a good few months before the government announced the cuts, who slashed numbers in his own ward forcing them to reapply for their own jobs?

There is absolutely no connection between what that cretin thinks and what he says, it's just a response to the roasting he got yesterday when he decided to show his face!
 
Okay. Looting has got right out of hand: someone's just pinched one of my comments and written it word-for-word as if it's their own! I am @GemstoneLass on Twitter

@GemstoneLass: "What school does Alexis Bailey work for? Can we lobby them to ensure that the employment contract is terminated with immediate effect?"

About 7 minutes later I see: @romanahoot: What school does Alexis Bailey work for? Can we lobby them to ensure that the employment contract is terminated with immediate effect?"

Not a retweet but passing it off as her own comment!!!!
 
Wouldn't you rather wait until the Courts have decided whether he/she is guilty or not first?

Talk about lynch mob mentality- sheesh!
 
Suzanne said:
Okay. Thanks for the clarification. And apologies to the female Alexis Bailey for the misunderstanding (just in case she reads this).

I think there was some confusion outside the court about the sex of the person - I can only assume that there are so many people going through the system this morning that it's impossible to keep up with them all.
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Further clarification here.
 
DemiLion said:
Wouldn't you rather wait until the Courts have decided whether he/she is guilty or not first?

Talk about lynch mob mentality- sheesh!
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Well the law states that 'you are innocent until proven guilty'.

BUT if you are caught 'banged to rights' on film, CCTV etc then so be it.
 
strumstrum said:
looting is pure out of hand now

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:lol:
 
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Never mind it's all on youtube. Watch him walk into a lamppost as he's hiding his face behind the newspaper
 
DemiLion said:
Wouldn't you rather wait until the Courts have decided whether he/she is guilty or not first?

Talk about lynch mob mentality- sheesh!
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No, because he pleaded guilty and has been remanded to Crown Court for sentence... Do try to pay attention 007:)
 
BBC Radio 4's Media Show on Reporting the Riots, including Amy Weston, who took the shot of a woman jumping from a burning building.
 
omega63 said:
Where are we going to put all the SCUM that get convicted ?? Prisons have about 170 slots left,,
I have an idea bring back the Ark Royal put in the middle of the Atalantic and use her again to protect the UK as a floating prison..
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We have plenty of unihabited islands, just put the lot on one and air drop food every so often, they would form their own gangs to take charge, turn on each other and solve the problem themselves :thumbs:
 
AFC said:
One person in court this morning was arrested after stealing 2 Burberry T shirts and was referred to crown court and COULD get up to 10 years. Beggers belief.
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10 years impt is the maximum sentence for any offence of theft. However magistrates can only impose a maximum of 6 months impt on a maximum of 2 offences - so 12 months impt is the max they can give. Obviously in this case they quite rightly feel that their powers of punishment are insufficient and are sending them to crown court for sentence.

It sadly doesn't alter the fact that we have nowhere to put them anyway and given the number of offenders likely to following the same route the sentences are likely to be ineffective -so situation normal.
 
Gremlin said:
We have plenty of unihabited islands, just put the lot on one and air drop food every so often, they would form their own gangs to take charge, turn on each other and solve the problem themselves :thumbs:
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A nice island in the Outer Hebrides, lots of fresh air, plenty of excercise.:thumbs:. Luvly Jubbly.
 
Lindsay D said:
Yes, the basis being a populace who no longer believes they are accountable for their actions, and there is certainly little deterrent with respect to punishment, and no sense of personal responsibility. All thanks to the soft approach to crime peddled by a previously long-standing government and the absurd 'rights' that criminals and offenders can now hide behind. Given that teachers can no longer (are not allowed to) maintain enough discipline in schools and many parents have given up instilling basic values in their offspring, it's little wonder that our culture is what it is.

I remember the days when we as children genuinely feared the consequences of anti-social behaviour, and I remember when it was OK to remove such offenders from your property if they were being a nuisance. If you did that now - look what might happen to you.
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They might riot and loot, but the arrests show that they are being held accountable. As for corporal punishment, that won't come back, we've moved on from that.

If you really want to get misty-eyed over something worth bringing back it would be the jobs and jobs opportunities back then in manufacturing and production etc. Generations lost to the dole.
 
i was reading earlier on the BBC site..

Ministry of Justice statement: "We have enough prison places for those that are sentenced to custody. There is substantial capacity in the prison system."
 
CT said:
10 years impt is the maximum sentence for any offence of theft. However magistrates can only impose a maximum of 6 months impt on a maximum of 2 offences - so 12 months impt is the max they can give. Obviously in this case they quite rightly feel that their powers of punishment are insufficient and are sending them to crown court for sentence.

It sadly doesn't alter the fact that we have nowhere to put them anyway and given the number of offenders likely to following the same route the sentences are likely to be ineffective -so situation normal.
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Yes we have,get three or four beds back in a cell.Instantly more room.

Prisoners don`t like it? Human rights shower don`t like it? Brussels don`t?

Hard fqin luck, the prisoners should have behaved themselves......:)
 
fracster said:
Yes we have,get three or four beds back in a cell.Instantly more room.

Prisoners don`t like it? Human rights shower don`t like it? Brussels don`t?

Hard fqin luck, the prisoners should have behaved themselves......:)
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LOL. Can't give you an argument!
 
Garry Edwards said:
No, because he pleaded guilty and has been remanded to Crown Court for sentence... Do try to pay attention 007:)
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Pleas can be changed. I'd rather wait for a verdict before crying for his head.

Don't get me wrong I suspect that he probably is going to be found guilty, but it's things like this that can subvert the course of justice, which I still think should be the primary oversight in any such matter and trial by public opinion (as opposed to by Jury) is wrong. Chris Jefferies in the Jo Yates murder is a classic case in point!
 
Laudrup said:
If you really want to get misty-eyed over something worth bringing back it would be the jobs and jobs opportunities back then in manufacturing and production etc. Generations lost to the dole.
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Of course the job market has changed over the years, and we all have to fight harder to make ends meet and to find different ways of acquiring work. But it is my view that personal standards have also changed and there is a sense of entitlement in many young people. Resorting to violence and in some cases murder is not an acceptable response.

I do not think that the decline of traditional employment patterns necessarily relates to the sort of people who took part in the riots. I'm not convinced they would appreciate or benefit from normal employment if they had the opportunity. A tolerant and passive society has allowed this kind of criminality to surface and thrive.
 
Housing minister Grant Shapps tells BBC News that anyone found to be involved in the violent outbreaks across England, should be "very mindful" of participating in the unrest because it could affect their eligibility for public housing in the future.

damn right take the ****ers homes away.
 
AFC said:
A nice island in the Outer Hebrides, lots of fresh air, plenty of excercise.:thumbs:. Luvly Jubbly.
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Noooo... don't ruin somewhere as wonderful as the Outer Hebrides with these feral idiots. I love those islands too much and would hate to see them invaded by convicted looters.

Can't we shove them on a floating prison somewhere out of the way?
 
Suzanne said:
Noooo... don't ruin somewhere as wonderful as the Outer Hebrides with these feral idiots. I love those islands too much and would hate to see them invaded by convicted looters.

Can't we shove them on a floating prison somewhere out of the way?
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What, like the Bermuda Triangle....:lol:
 
fracster said:
Yes we have,get three or four beds back in a cell.Instantly more room.

Prisoners don`t like it? Human rights shower don`t like it? Brussels don`t?

Hard fqin luck, the prisoners should have behaved themselves......:)
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:clap: :thumbs:
 
fracster said:
Yes we have,get three or four beds back in a cell.Instantly more room.

Prisoners don`t like it? Human rights shower don`t like it? Brussels don`t?

Hard fqin luck, the prisoners should have behaved themselves......:)
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The prison guards don't like it, the prisoners don't like it, they hold a party on the roof about it. It's not a good solution.
 
There's a simple solution to the party on the roof. Spray the roof with something to make it slippery. One falls off and breaks their neck then the others don't follow. And you've saved a fortune in accommodation for each one that expires in this way if they're a bit slow on the uptake.
 
neil_g said:
Housing minister Grant Shapps tells BBC News that anyone found to be involved in the violent outbreaks across England, should be "very mindful" of participating in the unrest because it could affect their eligibility for public housing in the future.

damn right take the ****ers homes away.
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As much as i agree in stopping there benifits,public houseing etc it will only make them go out mugging,looting and stealing it will make matters worse. Long prison sentence even for the young ones 11+. If they are old enough to do the crime then old enough to do the TIME.

Instead of stopping benifits just stop a % to help pay for all the destruction they have caused.

If they are employed a % of wages.
 
DemiLion said:
Pleas can be changed. I'd rather wait for a verdict before crying for his head.

Don't get me wrong I suspect that he probably is going to be found guilty, but it's things like this that can subvert the course of justice, which I still think should be the primary oversight in any such matter and trial by public opinion (as opposed to by Jury) is wrong. Chris Jefferies in the Jo Yates murder is a classic case in point!
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Fair point.

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Rubber bullets are in fact 41mm long hard plastic slugs fired from shotgun cartridges. They kill both the innocent and the guilty. Why would any police officer take the risk of killing someone without an absolute, cast iron written guarantee that his job, pension and liberty will be safe?
Not quite true Garry, there are specialist anti-riot weapons such as the ARWEN 37 (I mentioned it much earlier in the thread) that the Met used to have although this was a good few years ago, I helped on the initial testing and assessment of these when they first got them. Not as lethal as the shotgun type of round and much more accurate.
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Another fair point, I'm pretty out of date. I've only played with the shotgun round. Like every other shotgun round, it leaves the barrel at a fair rate of knots but slows down quickly, making it lethal at close range and ineffective at long range.
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Laudrup said:
The prison guards don't like it, the prisoners don't like it, they hold a party on the roof about it. It's not a good solution.
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If they were not in there for being naughty, then it would not be a problem.

Prison guards don`t like then it they are free to choose another profession.

The roof problem could easily be solved by some strategically placed marksmen.

Yes, i`m sick to the back teeth of people bending over backwards and making excuses for prisoners,rioters, yoof, hoodies or whatever. The decent,working people of this country,which is the majority if anyone in goverment cares, are sick of moddycoddling these scumbags.
 
word is there is growing worry about revenge attacks and inter-racial tension over the deaths last night. also rumoured is the EDL plotting to kick off.

omega63 said:
As much as i agree in stopping there benifits,public houseing etc it will only make them go out mugging,looting and stealing it will make matters worse.
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where are they going to play their stolen PS3 on their stolen 50" plasma if they dont have a home to put it in? :naughty:
 
fracster said:
If they were not in there for being naughty, then it would not be a problem.

Prison guards don`t like then it they are free to choose another profession.

The roof problem could easily be solved by some strategically placed marksmen.

Yes, i`m sick to the back teeth of people bending over backwards and making excuses for prisoners,rioters, yoof, hoodies or whatever. The decent,working people of this country,which is the majority if anyone in goverment cares, are sick of moddycoddling these scumbags.
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So to please the decent working people your solution is to overcrowd a prison to the detriment of the decent working prison guards? It's unorthodox I'll say that.
 
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