So Tottenham burns!

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Didn't we used to ship criminals off to the other side of the world? Surely there's room somewhere ....

I was thinking about that a few minutes ago.

It may be time for the Falklands Islands to repay their debt from 1982! :suspect:






By the way, LAUDRUP might be fighting 99% of the forum posters here, but quite a lot of what he's said is right!
 
OK, so the 4x4's and transits ready to take away the stolen gear on Saturday were a myth were they? The fences (some have labled them as pikeys) that were directing the looters to various locations, who supplied transport and ensured that the correct shops were targeted and the correct goods stolen were a complete fantasy?

BTW - who's talking about the Daily Mail? I'm talking about real knowledge from on location.

You seem to be confusing masterminding with old fashioned opportunism. We aren't dealing with a squad of Gerald Blanchards here. They have all the tactical nous of a ram raider.
 
I just love the shock and the bewilderment of some of the politicians being confronted with the mindset of these idiots - just shows they haven't a clue about the real world. These idiots are under-achievers who've had the same basic educational chances as everyone else. If they're deprived it's because they're in a situation of their own making. They have no work ethic and don't want one - most of them are unemployable anyway. All they understand is you've got it and they haven't so given half a chance they'll just take it.

However the current problems end up getting resolved, it's only a matter of time before it happens again and it's going to become more frequent. They have to find a way of dealing with these people with effective punishment - the official cautions, asbos, community service orders and the rest of the pathetic 'punishments' haven't worked.
 
Agreed, but equally an awful lot of it is bunkham as well.


Granted! But he is getting both barrels of ad hominem abuse from the hang-em brigade who weren't on the streets with you last night either!
 
However the current problems end up getting resolved, it's only a matter of time before it happens again and it's going to become more frequent. They have to find a way of dealing with these people with effective punishment - the official cautions, asbos, community service orders and the rest of the pathetic 'punishments' haven't worked.

I think that's very true. I wonder how other countries would have dealt with this - France for example :thinking:
 
Liverpool is kicking off right now. My girlfriend works on a retail park just outside the city centre and they have been told to close at 5 instead of 9 and get all the staff out of there.
 
BBC News - Police MAY be allowed to use Plastic Bullets as from tonight.
 
Strathclyde Police have arrested a 16 year old for trying to orchestrate a riot in Glasgow via Facebook :thumbs:
 
I think I read something today about Germany handling a mass riot in a day? Anyone willing to expand on that?
 
I think that's very true. I wonder how other countries would have dealt with this - France for example :thinking:

A mentioned earlier they had rioting in 2005 for 20 days straight and 9000 vehicles burnt to a cinder, and that's even with the CRS.
 
1612: EasyJet says it has been inundated with calls from MPs trying to get home in time for Thursday's parliamentary debate. The airline sent an e-mail to MPs earlier today offering to help get them back to London and says that so far it has helped more than 60.


nice to see theyre thinking of their expenses......wouldnt do to costs the taxpayers a forture now would it?
 
By the way, LAUDRUP might be fighting 99% of the forum posters here, but quite a lot of what he's said is right!
= 99% of the others are wrong then :thinking:
 
Personally i feel if people want to riot, the police should have allowance to use any force necessary.

Then take away the rioters right to free medical treatment.

Lets see how much trouble they can make with two shattered knee kaps and no NHS to stick them back together again. :police:
 
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Granted! But he is getting both barrels of ad hominem abuse from the hang-em brigade who weren't on the streets with you last night either!

Difference is most of us support the police, what they're trying to do and would be happier if they were allowed to do it. Neither can he have it both ways. He can't question the Police integrity and then complain about the same treatment, even if it were true.

By the way, LAUDRUP might be fighting 99% of the forum posters here, but quite a lot of what he's said is right!

The only thing he's said that is remotely near to being right is we need more police on the streets. Other than that I'm struggling. This isn't a situation that can be resolved with discussion, who do you speak to?
 
And if I hear one more senior officer using the word 'criminality' who wouldn't actually recognise a criminal if he was shagging him in the arse, I'm gonna puke! :puke:
 
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And if I hear one more senior officer using the word 'criminality' who wouldn't actually recognise a criminal if he was shagging him in the arse, I'm gonna puke! :puke:

What about the ones that came up via the mounted division? :lol:
 
And if I hear one more senior officer using the word 'criminality' who wouldn't actually recognise a criminal if he was shagging them in the arse, I'm gonna puke! :puke:

Bit like when Theresa May complained of the "thuggery", I misheard that the first time.....
 
Just seen this...

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And if I hear one more senior officer using the word 'criminality' who wouldn't actually recognise a criminal if he was shagging him in the arse, I'm gonna puke! :puke:

Pack it in - that one nearly got me the sack:lol::lol::lol:
 
Difference is most of us support the police, what they're trying to do and would be happier if they were allowed to do it. Neither can he have it both ways. He can't question the Police integrity and then complain about the same treatment, even if it were true.

The only thing he's said that is remotely near to being right is we need more police on the streets. Other than that I'm struggling. This isn't a situation that can be resolved with discussion, who do you speak to?

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What we should be doing is building a few more prisons and every time someone gets involved in this wanton violence let the army go in and pick them up. Let's do as they want and abandon the law of the land for a few hours. Crack a few skulls and dump them in prison for three months, no trial, no time off, no appeal.

Hardly the voice of reason is it? Abandon the law and crack some skulls? Quite staggering.
 
'Criminality' is one of the buzz words innit - along with 'Impacting on the situation' and a load of other bullcack expressions which are creeping into the vernacular.. ;)
 
Liverpool is kicking off right now. My girlfriend works on a retail park just outside the city centre and they have been told to close at 5 instead of 9 and get all the staff out of there.

Nothing happening in Liverpool, but a lot of rumours. The police have advised local businesses to close early as a precaution.

Whilst I agree they should be careful and look after their staff it's shocking that these thugs are holding the country to ransom.

Poor excuses for human beings.
 
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Hardly the voice of reason is it? Abandon the law and crack some skulls? Quite staggering.

Yes and I stand by it. If the situation is beyond the police's ability to resolve it get the army in. I have no problem with that whatsoever. These people abandoned the law. I didn't ask them to, nor did the shopkeepers and home owners who have been burnt out.

You still haven't said by the way what you would do other than put more police on the streets. Explain how they're going to do that please. Open the door of the wagon and ask them politely to step inside?
 
Difference is most of us support the police, what they're trying to do and would be happier if they were allowed to do it. Neither can he have it both ways. He can't question the Police integrity and then complain about the same treatment, even if it were true.

I don't often feel any great desire to defend the Police, Dod. In my experience as a London business owner and home owner and general law abider and occasional victim of crime, they're pretty inefficient - although they're also hidebound by procedures - and I personally have experienced both their lazyness and cowardice!

Having said that the Police are all we have and this is one week when they get my support totally!

This isn't a situation that can be resolved with discussion, who do you speak to?

But nor is it a situation that can be resolved by simple brute force. The thing that has shocked me, watching on my TV and apparently shocked DemiLion out on the street was the pure volume of evil and violence that’s around and, obviously, the numbers of the rioters.

There are lots and lots of them, all over town. They’re all despicably wrong but there are too many to deal with without some form of greater discussion, negotiation and social change.

The funny thing is, I think the social change might now start to happen automatically. I can forsee this week causing a vast backlash against the underclass just as people have turned out today to clean up last night’s mess. I suppose that's the best example so far of “The Big Society” in action and this rioting could turn out to be David Cameron’s government’s “Falklands War”

But then again if it gets much worse, my Plan B is just to quit London altogether and join a hippie commune in Scotland! ;)
 
There isn't any helping these people. They are doing what they want to do without any thought for anyone else. They don't want a job, they don't want to work hard to give them a better living. They just think its easy to take it from the honest hard working people who has already achieved something.
 
Didn't we used to ship criminals off to the other side of the world? Surely there's room somewhere ....

Quite a few pages ago now I did suggest deportation to some uninhabited Southern Hemisphere Island.
 
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