So much hatred for new wedding photographers??

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I've a PhD so I'm Dr by salutation not by job title :p

I thought it was an exclusive club but it seems anyone can get one :p although they did give me one so I guess anyone can get one :thinking:
 
Kipax your link is bang on, for anyone who can't hack it. wink wink.
 
My income is from selling photos that I have on display in my shop and also in lots of pubs in my area - truth being that I am a better marketer than a photographer... for now.

The marketing side is vastly underrated - look at the really successful photographers, and you'll see the marketing is the skill they excel in.
 
The marketing side is vastly underrated - look at the really successful photographers, and you'll see the marketing is the skill they excel in.

True. I've always had (an unproven) theory that you don't actually have to be that good at something to make a living from it - you just need to be better at it than those paying you. For instance I never actually realised how good Jimi Hendrix was until I actually learned to play guitar, before that he was just another guitarist to me. Same with photography - the punter doesn't really know what makes a photo technically perfect, it's all subjective to them.

I think a lot of high-end skillful professional photographers probably don't appeal to the general public, they seem more bothered about being appealing to other photographers. I believe anyone can take photos that will sell if they go about it the right way.
 
I know something about science, honestly! I have to work with scientists now and sometimes I might even be nice to them. My god, I even have one as a sister-in-law! You are just jealous because we can call ourselves Dr without actually really being proper doctors! ;)

"Real doctors" are General Practitioners, though. "Doctor" is just really a slang for them because they are Dr by salutation.
 
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"Real doctors" are General Practitioners, though. "Doctor" is just really a slang for them because they are Dr by salutation.

General referrers? They aren't real doctors! (hopes his 2 GP best friends don't stumble across this!)
 
Rowee (Mark)

To answer your original question ... yes people have to start somewhere but ideally that would be in the form of helping an established wedding photographer first.

This isn't always possible - but what is possible is to learn about the tools of your trade through practice ... not only the camera itself but everything else you think you may need by reading and looking what working professionals produce week in week out.

So where professionals may get a little short with people starting out - is answering the what lens / what flash setting / what metering ........ all questions that can be answered through practice with their own kit.

Perhaps many get curt with responses as they see a leaning by people who are trying to short cut this very important learning curve - and get straight to the money so to speak.

They want to be spoon fed everything - and want to learn nothing for themselves.

Many people who have been shooting weddings for years have invested much time and money in their own training and get a little tired when those wanting that same information for free who don't like being told some plain truths about their work or their attitude.

TP sometimes does seem to relish in putting the wedding professional down at every turn .... but then expect to be handed the tools by those same professionals to go out and make money.

My personal opinion is that people wanting to start in the wedding photography business should do everything in their power themselves to make sure they can perform well on the day. Everyone with an ounce of intelligence knows what the challenges are - and a newcomer should be able to overcome the technical ones without a thought - or they aren't ready to do them.

Now as a newcomer there are a host of other areas that can't be leant by books and practice ... where 2nd shooting would help - but if this isn't available then each individual will have to decide if they are truly ready to take a wedding on.

Everyones answer will be different - but if it goes wrong on the day - the results would be the same. This isn't saying that a pro wouldn't have things go wrong - anyone can - but hopefully they would know how to turn the situation around to a satisfactory conclusion.
 
I'd guess the mods are on holiday this week - I wonder why they didn't close this thread on page one?
 
trouble with photography is

people say "anyone can do it"


the real trouble is, "anyone" is doing it and making good money, supply / demand


Merc
 
I think the 'problem' is that digital cameras make it so much more accessible to people, the instantness and the point and shoot mentallity makes evryone 'an expert'.

I wonder how many people would still consider doing a wedding if they were relying on 'old fashioned' photography skills? and by that, I mean shooting film.
 
I think Simon's answer sums it it very nicey! An answer like that should nail the thread on page one. Its only when attitude is injected it kicks off and typically runs till a mod has to lock it.

Cheers for taking time to answer, Simon! Your website and galleries are superb!


Andy
 
What drunk and wandering around with a formaldehyde soaked, recently dissected male member in their pocket?

Going back to marine life, did you know that the Blue Whale has a 12 foot long penis? Over 10% of their body length! They're fairly solitary animals, and tend to either live alone or in pairs.

My housemates last year kept meaning to buy some fish, we bought a tank and an aerator, and filled the tank, but never actually got around to buying any fish, so for about 6 months we had an empty tank of water sitting next to the TV. It's a shame, I quite like fish.
 
my brothers got a five foot tank in his living room (across from the tele), did have a massive puffer fish in it till it kept growing. He donated it to the aquarium and gets in for free now.
 
my brothers got a five foot tank in his living room (across from the tele), did have a massive puffer fish in it till it kept growing. He donated it to the aquarium and gets in for free now.

wow, that must have saved him literally tens of pounds in admission fees. Was his pufferfish one of the poisonous ones that japanese chefs need a license to prepare for sushi but still occasionally miscut and end up killing the person that bought the delicacy? Eating the wrong part of the fish has an average mortality rate of 7%.

I'm a vegetarian so only buy the boxes of vegetarian sushi from tescos, but I wish that they'd include it in the £2 meal deal.
 
I didn't know you're a veggie Dave, they've got a tescos over in Launceston thats quite big, its got a really good fish counter and they do salmon offcuts that are brilliant with spinach on a bed of rice with a hollandaise sauce.
 
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I didn't know you're a veggie Dave, they've got a tescos over in Launceston thats quite big, its got a really good fish counter and they do salmon offcuts that are brilliant with spinach on a bed of rice with a hollandaise sauce.

Before I went vegetarian, I was always more of a trout man myself. Did you know that you can send trout into a trance by tickling their bellies? Roald Dahl wrote about it in one of his books.

I fell in the canal once when kayaking and definitely felt some fish swimming around my legs, but they probably weren't trout, they were probably smaller minnows because those are more prevalent in canals. I'm fairly sure I also stepped on a shopping trolley.
 
I didn't know you're a veggie Dave, they've got a tescos over in Launceston thats quite big, its got a really good fish counter and they do salmon offcuts that are brilliant with spinach on a bed of rice with a hollandaise sauce.


not a veggie if he eats fish is he :suspect:
 
do vegetarians not eat fish then, well you learn something new everyday

I love smoked trout but I've never eaten it in quantity, only as a starter.

That shopping trolley mighta saved your life you know, thank god for hoodlums who throw these life saving devices into our canals, when the Bude lock gates broke and the canal flowed out to see there was all sorts of things in the bottom. I fell in it once (after a similar kayaking incident) where I didn't drown but did catch a strange disease which put me right off kayaking as a child.
 
p.s. I need to prepare salmon tmrw. any ideas ? :lol:

You might like to try putting the filets in puff pastry, brushing a slight milk glaze to the top, and baking it, while preparing minted new potatoes and garden peas with butter as a side. Garnish with a sprig of parsley, and serve with a crisp dry white wine.

I tried cooking cucumber on a pizza once. Don't try it.
 
Rowee (Mark)

To answer your original question ... yes people have to start somewhere but ideally that would be in the form of helping an established wedding photographer first.

This isn't always possible - but what is possible is to learn about the tools of your trade through practice ... not only the camera itself but everything else you think you may need by reading and looking what working professionals produce week in week out.

So where professionals may get a little short with people starting out - is answering the what lens / what flash setting / what metering ........ all questions that can be answered through practice with their own kit.

Perhaps many get curt with responses as they see a leaning by people who are trying to short cut this very important learning curve - and get straight to the money so to speak.

They want to be spoon fed everything - and want to learn nothing for themselves.

Many people who have been shooting weddings for years have invested much time and money in their own training and get a little tired when those wanting that same information for free who don't like being told some plain truths about their work or their attitude.

TP sometimes does seem to relish in putting the wedding professional down at every turn .... but then expect to be handed the tools by those same professionals to go out and make money.

My personal opinion is that people wanting to start in the wedding photography business should do everything in their power themselves to make sure they can perform well on the day. Everyone with an ounce of intelligence knows what the challenges are - and a newcomer should be able to overcome the technical ones without a thought - or they aren't ready to do them.

Now as a newcomer there are a host of other areas that can't be leant by books and practice ... where 2nd shooting would help - but if this isn't available then each individual will have to decide if they are truly ready to take a wedding on.

Everyones answer will be different - but if it goes wrong on the day - the results would be the same. This isn't saying that a pro wouldn't have things go wrong - anyone can - but hopefully they would know how to turn the situation around to a satisfactory conclusion.

Great response, thanks for this SPXXXX, nice level headed answer, could have done with this early on :)
 
You might like to try putting the filets in puff pastry, brushing a slight milk glaze to the top, and baking it, while preparing minted new potatoes and garden peas with butter as a side. Garnish with a sprig of parsley, and serve with a crisp dry white wine.

How do you fillet a pro wedding tog :shrug:
 
put it in foil with butter some salt/pepper/mustard seeds maybe some herbs and tie the top (kinda scrunch it up a bit)

on a bed of white rice (wash it properly so it doesn't go all cloy'y) with either spinach or asparagus on top (with the spinach blanch it with boiling water drain it and lay it out, with the asparagus cook lightly but the normal way). Lay the fish on top of that at a funky angle.

Pour over a hollandaise sauce (I always home make mine because the packet ones are way too lemony for my taste) Delia's recipe (not the quick one) is good.

I reduce 6 whole peppercorns a slice of onion a bay leaf some mace blades water (2 table spoons) and white wine vinegar (3 tablespoons) down to about 1 table spoon (boil the kettle while this reduces).

Then seive the reduce into a bowl, add some water (like 2 or 3 table spoons) and 2 or 3 (I think but check the butter and egg quantities with an online recipe) egg yolks (depends on how many people really), whisk them all in together and then put over the pot with gently boiling water in it (see the kettle) and start slowly adding butter in 10g (ish) bits whisking until it melts then starts to thicken before adding the next bit (2oz per egg you put in again this is from memory so check it)

do that keeping it moving and stopping it from seperating or the eggs scrambling until all the butter is in, then 2ish more minutes to cook and thicken (at this stage check the taste and add salt/pepper/lemon juice as req) it before serving over the fish/spinach/eggs in an artistic way

accompany with booze and all is good :D
 
What a load of inane drivel :(
 
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