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Seriously why? What do you hope to achieve by mourning someone who is a "celeb"/famous politician (eg winehouse / williams / Mandela) either here, another forum or on facespace.... other than trying to get a few "likes" and help you with your own insecurity....

Sorry but just don't see the point...

"Oh how I will miss you...." really?
 
its topical.. so we talk about it... robinwilliams is well known so we talk about it and with respect say rip..

its the people who talk to dead people on facebook you need to worry about ..
 
Pretty much in complete and utter agreement, do I find it sad when a celeb passes who I liked, yeah I do although usually quite briefly, it's really very rare I'm moved sufficiently to make some kind of statement over it though and do find threads on the subject a little pointless

That said I try to spend as little time as possible in OOF anymore as it seems worse than ever for pointless crap
 
Maybe that "celeb" or whoever genuinely meant something to that person or somehow touched the posters lives in some small way. I'm not sure why they should be pilloried for that. Simply because you or I don't feel the same way about them.

I always get confused by the posts that say something like (for example) "well Winehouse died today, but so did x000000 other people, none feels sorrow for them". As human beings we're all capable of feeling more then one thing at once, and remembering one event doesn't lessen another
 
Nobody mentioned Lauren Bacall :thinking:
 
who?
oh.. exactly
 
It's an interesting question that needed a moment to think about.

I see it as about the same as if a mate in a pub had announced so and so had died. My reaction would be based on my experience of the person in question. So, in the case of Robin Williams, my reaction is a mix of "bummer - he was a great comic and actor who entertained me many times," and "shame he didn't beat his demons."

I think the OP has something of a point, if only slight.
 
Lynton said:
Seriously why? What do you hope to achieve by mourning someone who is a "celeb"/famous politician (eg winehouse / williams / Mandela) either here, another forum or on facespace.... other than trying to get a few "likes" and help you with your own insecurity....

Sorry but just don't see the point...

"Oh how I will miss you...." really?
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I don't recall seeing a reply stating personally "oh How I will miss you"
What harm does it do to you personally if people wish to lament the passing of someone they had a little respect for?
Some people may have seen him live.
Some may have met him personally.
But even if neither are the case, I think it's little short of miserable of you to take time out of your day to belittle anyone's death.
 
KIPAX said:
its topical.. so we talk about it... robinwilliams is well known so we talk about it and with respect say rip..
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Absolutely :thumbs:
KIPAX said:
its the people who talk to dead people on facebook you need to worry about ..
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FFS! you are not telling me that there is face book in the after-life as well?
Godamnit!
Is there no escape?
 
Because of things like THIS and as a result he got the send off he deserved HERE

If it hadn't been reported and threads spread over the internet it could have bee a very different and sad send off
 
I don't have an issue with the RIP threads. Great place to remember what you loved about them.

I do however hate and find it really odd when people start posting "Our thoughts are with the family" etc. etc.
 
Don`t read them , people got annoyed by my strange sense of humour when I used to reply on them.
 
Dale_tem said:
I do however hate and find it really odd when people start posting "Our thoughts are with the family" etc. etc.
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Indeed - I don't have a problem with the proportionate slight sadness that people might express because someone they liked as a celeb has died - but when people start the "my life will never be the same ... i'll miss him soo much... sob sniffle blah you have to wonder - if its genuine then they might need help (to be that emotional about someone you don't know is a bit strange) and if its not its just a cynical likes/ego boost exercise
 
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But even if neither are the case, I think it's little short of miserable of you to take time out of your day to belittle anyone's death.
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I don't recall seeing Lynton belittle anyone's death - his point is aimed at the people who are grieving for no reason (and if you doubt his description take a look at some of the dross on Face ache " My life will never be complete without you , robin i'll miss you forever" oh FFS get a grip - unless that person is his wife/daughter/best friend then that reaction is totally out of proportion ) not at the death itself.
 
Robin Williams made some memorable films that I enjoyed, I am sorry that he has died at such an age and that he died in such a way, I hope that he has now found some rest and a simple RIP is respecting his life and the enjoyment he has given to me, (and many others) ……..a worthwhile thing to say
 
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The day before Robin Williams died, my friend's wife died of a brain tumour. I had enough trouble trying to think of suitable words to say to him so I would have no idea what to say about someone I didn't know. It does seem strange to me to comment about someone you don't know.


Steve.
 
Steve Smith said:
The day before Robin Williams died, my friend's wife died of a brain tumour. I had enough trouble trying to think of suitable words to say to him so I would have no idea what to say about someone I didn't know. It does seem strange to me to comment about someone you don't know.


Steve.
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I do not think a simple message of RIP is something that you would say about a (close) friend who had died ……… IMHO it is more a term of respect for an individual who you may not know, but would more know about, whether famous or not
 
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BillN_33 said:
Robin Williams made some memorable films that I enjoyed, I am sorry that he has died at such an age and that he died in such a way, I hope that he has now found some rest and a simple RIP is respecting his life and the enjoyment he has given to me, (and many others) ……..
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see that's the bit I don't get - Showing respect to who ?

The man himself is dead so he obviously doesn't care
Its very doubtful that his family or close friends will ever see such a thread (or that they'd really give a toss either way at the moment)
So basically you (and I'm not singling you out - I mean any such poster) are telling other people who didn't know him either that you wish him to 'rest in peace'
which comes back to Lynton's original question of what that hopes to achieve.

As someone who doesn't believe in god or an afterlife I find the whole concept of "resting in peace" baffling anyway - once you're dead you're dead you aren't resting anywhere as the personality has ceased to exist and the corpse is either rotting or cremated.
 
Steve Smith said:
The day before Robin Williams died, my friend's wife died of a brain tumour. I had enough trouble trying to think of suitable words to say to him so I would have no idea what to say about someone I didn't know. It does seem strange to me to comment about someone you don't know.


Steve.
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I always find the death of someone I know difficult to articulate, to express in words the sympathy one feels and therefore agree with not understanding how it can be done about someone you don't really know.

However, I do understand that other people are more able to do this, and see no reason why they shouldn't share respect and memories of someone that has been 'in their living rooms' via whatever the media if they so wish. Yes, some of the stuff you see on FB is a little OTT, but each to their own, you are not obliged to be friends with people like that, in the same way you are not obliged to read threads of that nature here but as long as they not hurting anyone, I also see no reason to question it. Just move on to another subject.
 
Also what really gets my goat with these threads (and more so FB) is not the simple expressions of RIP - but the people going on about how they'll miss him/her / it as though they are talking about a relation of friend ... those people in particular need to get a grip unless you actually were a relation/friend etc then you don't have reasonable grounds to feel that way and its either (imo) a mental instability , or a cynical exercise in saying " oh woe is me , please like my post and be by fwend because I is upset like you " - the latter is particularly distasteful
 
Yv said:
However, I do understand that other people are more able to do this, and see no reason why they shouldn't share respect and memories of someone that has been 'in their living rooms' via whatever the media if they so wish. Yes, some of the stuff you see on FB is a little OTT, but each to their own, you are not obliged to be friends with people like that, in the same way you are not obliged to read threads of that nature here but as long as they not hurting anyone, I also see no reason to question it. Just move on to another subject.
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Thing is though that even if you're not friends with anyone like that - FBs constant buggering about with "threads you may like" and "what's trending now" and other such stuff makes it impossible to avoid. (come to that when you look at the outpouring of karaoke grief over say Princess Di you'd have had to be living down a hole in the Australian outback to avoid it )
 
Lynton said:
Seriously why? What do you hope to achieve by mourning someone who is a "celeb"/famous politician (eg winehouse / williams / Mandela) either here, another forum or on facespace.... other than trying to get a few "likes" and help you with your own insecurity....

Sorry but just don't see the point...

"Oh how I will miss you...." really?
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Practically every thread on OOF is pointless/unnecessary to some degree (except the ones I start;))

OOF is just a place to discuss stuff. RIP threads are ok - just people saying what they think.
 
Pete,

it is respecting his life …….. you are not saying it to anyone specifically …….. just generally ……. maybe it is what you feel ………. and you don't say it about many

I suppose that if you do not "believe" …………….. and so simply feel that he has just returned to the carbon cycle and that is all, it is more difficult to accept that there is any type of what we understand as rest or peace for anyone, but anyway you can still respect what they have done or try to understand what they have been through without necessary literally accepting that they have now found rest or peace
 
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PatrickO said:
OOF is just a place to discuss stuff. RIP threads are ok - just people saying what they think.
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So by the same tpoken this thread is okay - Lynton (and those of us who agree with him) are just saying what we think as well :)
 
big soft moose said:
Thing is though that even if you're not friends with anyone like that - FBs constant buggering about with "threads you may like" and "what's trending now" and other such stuff makes it impossible to avoid. (come to that when you look at the outpouring of karaoke grief over say Princess Di you'd have had to be living down a hole in the Australian outback to avoid it )
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You won't avoid news items covering it on sponsored posts, thats the price for a 'free' service like facebook, but if you have your settings correct, you won't see umpteen posts about it from people you aren't friends with or don't follow. In theory you shouldn't even have to play around with settings of course, but is is fb afterall... however, if your mates are that way inclined... :whistle:
 
It's a social thing. Just like if someone was round your house, you would say "Hey, have you heard about Robin Williams? Isn't it a shame".
It just seems the defacto way on the internet is to preface it with RIP.

And sometimes, people want to be the first to put it up. They want people to reply with "Really?". They want to be the first amongst their social circle to 'know'. Call it gossip if you like. I'm guilty of it too, when I've heard something before I've rushed to Facebook to tell my peers.
As for offering their condolences within a thread or a facebook message, where's the harm in it?
It's an outpouring of thoughts and discussion. Robin Williams inparticularly was such a well known happy man, always with the comedy, the accents, the laughter that he generated.
I think the explosion of people's thoughts about him is because it's such a shock to many people to realise that he battled with depression so badly that in the end it took his life from him, and all from behind a smile and a laugh. It even surprised me.
I agree with the over the top sentiments on Facebook I've seen, about people's lives never being the same, rather OTT....but harmless.

Like Yv says. Simple rule. If you don't like them, don't read them.

KIPAX has it spot on, it's the ones who expect dead people to be on Facebook that you need to worry about.

What's pointless to you is topical to someone else.
 
PatrickO said:
Practically every thread on OOF is pointless/unnecessary to some degree (except the ones I start;))
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Obviously :D

PatrickO said:
OOF is just a place to discuss stuff. RIP threads are ok - just people saying what they think.
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Absolutely, and to hopefully keep the (most of it anyway) crap out of the more serious threads.
 
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big soft moose said:
So by the same tpoken this thread is okay - Lynton (and those of us who agree with him) are just saying what we think as well :)
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Not necessarily. Saying what you think doesn't mean a free for all.
I could sit here thinking you're a complete tool, but if I started a thread on it, I'd have to ban myself.
 
BillN_33 said:
it is respecting his life …….. you are not saying it to anyone specifically …….. just generally ……. maybe it is what you feel ………. and you don't say it about many

I suppose that if you do not "believe" …………….. and so simply that he has just returned to the carbon cycle and that is all, it is more difficult to accept that there is any type of what we understand as rest or peace for anyone, but anyway you can still respect what they have done or what they have been through without necessary literally accepting that they have now found rest or peace
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You may not say it about many - but some of the sad cases on FB seem to say it about every newsfeed they see.

Personally I'd respect what for example RW did by watching the films and appreciating them - that respect is neither enlarged nor diminished by whether I post on an RIP thread which he'll never know about.

Come to that if you do believe - surely he'd be in heaven/paradise/a better place/ Valhalla / reincarnated as a hippo or whatever (depending what you believe) so it still seems pointless to wish him to "rest in peace"
 
Marcel said:
Not necessarily. Saying what you think doesn't mean a free for all.
I could sit here thinking you're a complete tool, but if I started a thread on it, I'd have to ban myself.
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I'll give you a little latitude as I quite like you :thumbs:
 
The man was a rare and exceptional talent who made the world a better place with his comedy. Am I going to miss him? Damn right I will. Same as I miss Pryor, Hicks and Carlin. It strikes a chord with me too as members of my family and very close friends suffer terribly with depression and I know what it can do to people.

And yes it does break my heart a little that Robin Williams spent his whole life making people happy yet suffered on a daily basis with his depression.
 
Marcel said:
I could sit here thinking you're a complete tool, but if I started a thread on it....
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Feel free - we haven't had a decent spam thread for a while ;) ( I'd tend to view myself as one of those big manly tools, like a pile driver, or nail gun)

Joking aside though - the reason this thread exists is because it was indicated to Lynton that some felt it was distasteful to have this discussion on the RW RIP thread so he respected their wishes by starting this one instead to discuss the subject in the round
 
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