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RIP 6 brave Heros
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Whoopsie - didnt read both pages so didnt see the big pink argument ending post- so ive self moderated
suffice to say that those who die in the service of our country (and i'd use that term widely to also include police officers , firemen, paramedics, lifeboat crewmen etc as well as forces) deserve our respect regardless of whether we (or indeed they if they could) would deem the actions leading up to their death as particularly heroic
suffice to say that those who die in the service of our country (and i'd use that term widely to also include police officers , firemen, paramedics, lifeboat crewmen etc as well as forces) deserve our respect regardless of whether we (or indeed they if they could) would deem the actions leading up to their death as particularly heroic
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I spent 6 years in the Army and in a regiment that became a Yorkshire Regiment. I was at work when the deaths were announced and a colleague, who's son is serving, was in absolute distress because she didn't know whether her son was alive or dead.
Do I think all the serving soldiers are heroes....damn hard question, I'd have to say, and it pains me, no. I respect them, hell I do.
I feel for the families of those that have been killed in action and for those that are serving.
Do I think all the serving soldiers are heroes....damn hard question, I'd have to say, and it pains me, no. I respect them, hell I do.
I feel for the families of those that have been killed in action and for those that are serving.
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Agree, Pete...............
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yep I agree with that one....
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More sad news but we all new the risks when we signed up!
Have survived 2 tours and lost 4 friends but they new the risks aswell as i did! We didnt join the forces for a jolly thats why we trained for 36 weeks to be a green machine.
Its sad and for there family's but we ALL no the risks involved.................
RIP lads x
Have survived 2 tours and lost 4 friends but they new the risks aswell as i did! We didnt join the forces for a jolly thats why we trained for 36 weeks to be a green machine.
Its sad and for there family's but we ALL no the risks involved.................
RIP lads x
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DemiLion said:
Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Adgreed, somebody been playing to many video games.
It kind of strange,all those years ago when i signed up,i wanted my war,it didnt come so i got out,i was kind of angry for a lot years about it,now after finding war,its alway a usless wates of life.
And yet yes PIP lads
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I find that comment a little worrying, just to clarify when you joined up you were hoping that there would be some war torn region of the world you would get sent to? If that is right I hope you were part of the medical Corps and not a frontline soldier.
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Troublew is though if you did not have people with that out look you would never have an army to protect you in the first place.
RIP those six soldiers
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I just knew this was going to happen as soon as simon said that :shrug:
Soilders train to fight, so its shouldnt be hard to understand why they might want to do for real what they train to do all the time. and the UK forces are all volunteers (which is a damn sight more ethical than having conscription and forcing people who don't want to serve to do so)
but lets not have that debate on this thread which is about 6 brave men who choose to serve their country and paid the ultimate price
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Advice heeded, maybe we can save that topic for another time, would be nice to elaborate on it.
You got to understand,the time i grew up in,the teacher at school used to call us cannon fodder or factory fodder,all we ever did was play war games,at 12 years old i was marched to the local army cadet place,and by 13 i could strip every gun apart,and put it together again in the dark.
We were kids,growing up in an age when ever man on the road where i lived had been in WWII.
Did you know in the WWI,their were up to One hurdred thousand,under age solider,one the frontline,and only an act of parilmemet got them home,at it wasnt out of kindness,it was because they needer them to do factory work for the war effort.
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I've been in the RAF 20 years this month, what does it matter why someone joins up? These young men probably wanted to fight, that's their choice. They didn't want to die!
Let's just remember the six that died this week and their families.
Lets also remember the other families that will no doubt get told this week of their loss!
Sleep well gentlemen. x
Let's just remember the six that died this week and their families.
Lets also remember the other families that will no doubt get told this week of their loss!
Sleep well gentlemen. x
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Sorry I hope I have not done anything to offend.
Just found out this morning my nephew,due to be deployed this march,for 6mths,I just hope he comes back
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Gumbo if its any consolation, they were all heros for simply joining up knowing they may be sent there, thats one brave signature and how many here would do it........probably not many.
Lets pull them all out of all warzones and let the terrorists carry on with attrocities like 9/11 and 7/7 and Bali......the world would soon ask for action again once the deathtoll of normal people in offices started to rise again, its really a catch 22 situation, we are either going to stop it forming or pull out and let the terrorists carry on from the 9/11 attack, or we can have a little pride in our lads that sign up to go and keep us safe in our little worlds
Lets pull them all out of all warzones and let the terrorists carry on with attrocities like 9/11 and 7/7 and Bali......the world would soon ask for action again once the deathtoll of normal people in offices started to rise again, its really a catch 22 situation, we are either going to stop it forming or pull out and let the terrorists carry on from the 9/11 attack, or we can have a little pride in our lads that sign up to go and keep us safe in our little worlds
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See what gets me is if I typed out the reply I really want to regarding that it would be seen as being disrespectful and rude and is normally why I stay out of these threads, the pro military/war side can say all they want because "our" people have died for it....anyway, going to move away from the keyboard now.
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quite a few here have done it (not me , I was in and out before 2001) , but many of the lads further up (demilion, gregory etc) either are in , or were.
And i wouldnt dispute that we should respect and have pride in our forces - but if you ask the average squaddie if he thinks he's a hero you'll be met with either laughter or derision (or both)
whether we are acheiving a great deal in the afghan is a different question , but not one we should go into on this thread or indeed at all (given the prohibition on politics and religion)
And i wouldnt dispute that we should respect and have pride in our forces - but if you ask the average squaddie if he thinks he's a hero you'll be met with either laughter or derision (or both)
whether we are acheiving a great deal in the afghan is a different question , but not one we should go into on this thread or indeed at all (given the prohibition on politics and religion)
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There are two sides, for and against but like I say we are in catch 22, we need lads to join and go overseas to keep the peace, in a perfect world we wouldnt need them to protect us.....its a cruel world and we all share it unfortunately, but I stand by ny statement that all the lads over there are heros.......just for being there
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Jimi - personally (and i say this as a pro millitary person) You have a perfect right to put your view , as demilion said earlier your right to do so is one of the principle tenets the army is fighting for. Whether its appropriate in this thread or on the forum is a different matter but as a mod you are better placed to make that call
(my position is that i support 'our boys' but I dont necessarily support the ****witted politicians who put them in harms way because they don't know what else to do )
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so someone who's stacking boxes in the QMs stores at bastion is as much of a hero as someone who wins the VC for rescuing his colleagues under fire out in the hills ?
Whether the six brave men this thread is supposed to be about were heroes is something thats hard to say without knowing the circumstances.
As I said before anyone who serves their country deserves our respect, but attaching the hero appelation to everyone serving devalues it when used to describe those who really deserve it. (and damn it i'm debating again, sorry terri)
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Those stacking boxes are normally there because they have been in the field and had a very close call, so have been taken out of theatre for a reason, as you probably know...but only for a few short weeks or days, everyone out there is under a great deal of pressure and are constantly under threat, hell its a job getting there on a C130 doing a Tac landing these days with the RPGs coming at them, they deserve a hell of a lot more than you are giving them, technology moves on so does war and the Taliban have a lot more technology than we give them credit for.