RIP 6 brave Heros

RIP to these 6 and all that have fallen, and thoughts with all that knew and where touched by them.
 
Dangermouse1964 said:
Those stacking boxes are normally there because they have been in the field and had a very close call, so have been taken out of theatre for a reason, as you probably know...but only for a few short weeks or days, everyone out there is under a great deal of pressure and are constantly under threat, hell its a job getting there on a C130 doing a Tac landing these days with the RPGs coming at them, they deserve a hell of a lot more than you are giving them, technology moves on so does war and the Taliban have a lot more technology than we give them credit for.
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yeah okay bad example (though i'd be extremley suprised if the RAF regiment, or whoever is doing base protection these days, are allowing insurgents to get within RPG range of the main theatre landing strip ) - but my point was that its a fallacy to say that every man out there's a hero, the armed forces is just like anywhere else you get the good, the bad , and the indifferent.
 
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I was in the army about a lifetime ago, 45 years ago to be exact. My unit was entirely composed of volunteers, we were all highly trained and highly motivated, we felt that we were doing the right thing at the right time.

If anybody had said to us that we were heroes simply for being there we would would have looked at them incredulously and laughed.
Like some others in this thread we were in sticky situations at times and a very few of us didn't ever go home again. We didn't think they were heroes, just unlucky, it could easily have happened to us but it didn't, it happened to them instead.

Whenever I hear about the death of a service person out there it tears me apart. Not so much for them, although the ending of a young life in whatever circumstances is hard to bear.
As a parent I am so terribly sad for their grieving families and friends.

I do feel that the title "heroes" has been manufactured by the press for whatever ends.
 
footman said:
Is that directed at me?
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I think terri is saying to all of us that she started this thread as a tribute to the fallen , not a debate.

which I'll accept and agree to disagree so long as the "every man a hero" lobby does likewise
 
No not anyone really, i had asked further back for this to be taken else where but hay ho...
 
Crack on i give up now. Pete you have been very kind over this.
 
gumbo-67 said:
No not anyone really, i had asked further back for this to be taken else where but hay ho...
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thing is if anyone started a thread entitled - 'lets debate the war in the afghan' it would be shut down in minuites so it can't be taken elsewhere - but it really ought to not be being debated on TP at all
 
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It's impossible to know which way a thread is going to go particularly one with such emotive content. They can take on a life of their own.

I'm pleased that Terri started this thread and I completely agree that these fine young people should be remembered.
 
Pete just carry on as you say it can't go anywhere else..

Laurence thank you...
 
footman said:
I completely agree that these fine young people should be remembered.
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and that i think is something on which we can all agree .
 
cyclamens said:
Notwithstanding some of the very valid points already raised - I think that was all Terri wanted when she started the thread :clap:
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Yep you are correct :clap: and thank for everyone who realized that.
 
footman said:
I was in the army about a lifetime ago, 45 years ago to be exact. My unit was entirely composed of volunteers, we were all highly trained and highly motivated, we felt that we were doing the right thing at the right time.

If anybody had said to us that we were heroes simply for being there we would would have looked at them incredulously and laughed.
Like some others in this thread we were in sticky situations at times and a very few of us didn't ever go home again. We didn't think they were heroes, just unlucky, it could easily have happened to us but it didn't, it happened to them instead.

Whenever I hear about the death of a service person out there it tears me apart. Not so much for them, although the ending of a young life in whatever circumstances is hard to bear.
As a parent I am so terribly sad for their grieving families and friends.

I do feel that the title "heroes" has been manufactured by the press for whatever ends.
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The press do indulge in that sort of thing. However, those not in the military probably do realise that those serving have their own idea of what makes a hero. Nevertheless, civvies do like to think of our soldiers, sailors and airmen as "our heroes". They are the ones who will not hesitate to put their lives on the line to protect us all when called to. That seems all fine and healthy to me.
 
arclight said:
The press do indulge in that sort of thing. However, those not in the military probably do realise that those serving have their own idea of what makes a hero. Nevertheless, civvies do like to think of our soldiers, sailors and airmen as "our heroes". They are the ones who will not hesitate to put their lives on the line to protect us all when called to. That seems all fine and healthy to me.
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going further off topic but in my experience the average civvy is pretty hypocritical when it comes to this , when they read of the action in the sun its all "our brave boys" but if it comes to putting taxes up to pay for guns that don't jam when you try to fire them, enough body armour to go round, or heliflopters that can actually fly in the desert etc its a different story.

theres also a fair lack of tollerance of typical squaddy behaviour in blowing off steam when they come back - they might be our brave boys , but how many would want their daughter to date one

Rudyard kippling had it right

...Its tommy this, and tommy that
and chuck 'im out, the brute
but its 'ero of 'is country
when the guns begin to shoot...
 
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