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Sadly he'll get another dozen or so years on "death row".
 
viv1969 said:
Sadly he'll get another dozen or so years on "death row".
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Yeh, no doubt there'll be appeal after appear but hopefully at the end of that he'll get what's due.
 
Oddly, I agree with these two divvies.........:D
 
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viv1969 said:
Sadly he'll get another dozen or so years on "death row".
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Yes, I don't know how the Americans conjured up their system. Someone gets a death sentence then spends decades in the con college before getting the malky.
 
arclight said:
Yes, I don't know how the Americans conjured up their system. Someone gets a death sentence then spends decades in the con college before getting the malky.
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And since Massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty for 'regular' felonies, they had to break out the Federal laws.
That, coupled with the guys age, will keep the Pro Bonos fed for years.
 
I know how I'd like to see death penalty served. No, not to shoot him in the face, no - NK style with an antiaircraft guns. Actually that would be in the face... sort of.
 
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Reminds me a little of THIS, as taught (the history, not the actual methodology!) by an ex Indian army officer at school.
 
Personally I don't think that the state should kill people. There's a little ditty which goes something like "Thou Shall not kill" and it's something that's been a part of most civilised societies for quite some time.

Of course not killing serious offenders means that you have to do something else with them and if rehabilitation isn't possible personally I'd rather they were merely detained in a secure and humane setting than killed.
 
That's from the same book that suggests turning people into salt and/or having walls collapse on them IIRC... While I agree that the death sentence isn't exactly moral, it does remove offenders from the public's responsibility in financial terms at least.
 
Nod said:
That's from the same book that suggests turning people into salt and/or having walls collapse on them IIRC...
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Does it not also say, an eye for an eye etc ;)
 
As an aside wiki tells me that :-
In the UK, reviews prompted by the Criminal Cases Review Commission have resulted in one pardon and three exonerations for people executed between 1950 and 1953 (when the execution rate in England and Wales averaged 17 per year).
So over the full four years inclusive that means that approx 68 people were executed,
4 people were deemed innocent,
I wonder how many people that were given life sentences,
went on to kill again, and how many people died, because the offender was allowed to live.
And t what point is collateral damage acceptable?

Edit, actually the BBC web site states
Over 30 killers killed again after being freed from prison between 2000/1 and 2010/11,
statistics show.
Figures released by the Home Office show 29 people with homicide convictions went on to commit murder and six went on to commit manslaughter.

Forensics have moved on a long way in 60 years.
Just saying ;)
 
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Cobra said:
As an aside wiki tells me that :-
In the UK, reviews prompted by the Criminal Cases Review Commission have resulted in one pardon and three exonerations for people executed between 1950 and 1953 (when the execution rate in England and Wales averaged 17 per year).
So over the full four years inclusive that means that approx 68 people were executed,
4 people were deemed innocent,
I wonder how many people that were given life sentences,
went on to kill again, and how many people died, because the offender was allowed to live.
At what point is collateral damage acceptable?

Forensics have moved on a long way in 60 years.
Just saying ;)
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That's over 2.5% of people executed having been killed by the state 'in error'. I see no reason why a life sentence should not mean whole life, this would keep a dangerous person out of circulation while still leaving the possibility of them being alive when/if their innocence is proven.
To all the people who think the death sentence should be brought back - You're arrested for a crime and found guilty, you're not guilty yet you are sentenced to die. Are you going to sit back and say "ah well, at least they're right 97% of the time"? I don't ****kin think so.
 
Steep said:
That's over 2.5% of people executed having been killed by the state 'in error'. I see no reason why a life sentence should not mean whole life, this would keep a dangerous person out of circulation while still leaving the possibility of them being alive when/if their innocence is proven.
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Generally I agree with you, however my points were, that forensics are miles way from what they were back in the 50's
I would stand up and be counted on the death sentence, pro lobby, if there was no doubt whatsoever in the killers guilt, not just "beyond reasonable doubt but absolute proof of their guilt,
caught red handed, for example. (as I can never see for " the rest of their natural lives" being a reality in most cases.)
And of course there would be no need to explain to the 35 families (below) why the justice system let them and society down.
Cobra said:
Edit, actually the BBC web site states
Over 30 killers killed again after being freed from prison between 2000/1 and 2010/11,
statistics show.
Figures released by the Home Office show 29 people with homicide convictions went on to commit murder and six went on to commit manslaughter.
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Steep said:
To all the people who think the death sentence should be brought back - You're arrested for a crime and found guilty, you're not guilty yet you are sentenced to die. Are you going to sit back and say "ah well, at least they're right 97% of the time"? I don't ****kin think so.
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Nails it for me.
 
Steep said:
That's over 2.5% of people executed having been killed by the state 'in error'. I see no reason why a life sentence should not mean whole life, this would keep a dangerous person out of circulation while still leaving the possibility of them being alive when/if their innocence is proven.
To all the people who think the death sentence should be brought back - You're arrested for a crime and found guilty, you're not guilty yet you are sentenced to die. Are you going to sit back and say "ah well, at least they're right 97% of the time"? I don't ****kin think so.
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In the case of the Boston result, the evidence is irrefutable, and his own admission did nothing to help his case.
Not everyone protests their innocence.
 
Cobra said:
Yep he certainly nailed it!


That also nails it ;)

Not that I am advocating crucifixion you understand :D
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Yip - crossed his feet and saved a nail :exit:
 
viv1969 said:
In the case of the Boston result, the evidence is irrefutable, and his own admission did nothing to help his case.
Not everyone protests their innocence.
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I understand that, he's guilty by his own admission but even here the death penalty is wrong, because it's what he probably wants, to make him a martyr. His execution will be twisted and warped by radicals and held up to people all over the Muslim world as a way of radicalising more.
 
Steep said:
I understand that, he's guilty by his own admission but even here the death penalty is wrong, because it's what he probably wants, to make him a martyr. His execution will be twisted and warped by radicals and held up to people all over the Muslim world as a way of radicalising more.
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As his execution, should it ever occur, won't be carried out fir a dozen years, I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it.
 
woof woof said:
Personally I don't think that the state should kill people. There's a little ditty which goes something like "Thou Shall not kill" and it's something that's been a part of most civilised societies for quite some time.

Of course not killing serious offenders means that you have to do something else with them and if rehabilitation isn't possible personally I'd rather they were merely detained in a secure and humane setting than killed.
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I disagree entirely.
 
Nod said:
That's from the same book that suggests turning people into salt and/or having walls collapse on them IIRC... While I agree that the death sentence isn't exactly moral, it does remove offenders from the public's responsibility in financial terms at least.
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Taking any religious text word for word is IMVHO a recipe for a whole lot of trouble but I can't really see any great and sustainable objection to the specific and general principle of thou shall not kill.
 
Cobra said:
Does it not also say, an eye for an eye etc ;)
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I believe that the whole thing goes on to be an anti violence message and isn't actually carte blanche to start hacking bits off folk.
 
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woof woof said:
I believe that the whole thing goes on to be an anti violence message and isn't actually carte blanche to start hacking bits off folk.
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Goddamnit :(
 
Killing the bomber will create a martyr and won't solve the deeper problem, if anything it will make things worse.
 
JennyGW said:
Killing the bomber will create a martyr and won't solve the deeper problem, if anything it will make things worse.
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Absolutely no punishment they could hand down, nor leniency they could show, will solve the deeper problem.
 
viv1969 said:
Absolutely no punishment they could hand down, nor leniency they could show, will solve the deeper problem.
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Creating a martyr for the cause is one sure way of exacerbating the problem.
 
I've mentioned before that I'm not at all in favour of the death penalty......but I do have to ask - what "cause" do people think this chap will become a "martyr" for?
 
JonathanRyan said:
I've mentioned before that I'm not at all in favour of the death penalty......but I do have to ask - what "cause" do people think this chap will become a "martyr" for?
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Popular Front for the support of Headbanger's. Martyrs or no martyrs the headbangers will always do what headbangers always do. Topping him means one less.
 
arclight said:
Topping him means one less.
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Yep he won't do that again, if dead.

Let them have there so called Martyrs.
If they want to look up to a dead guy, then let them.
(Tis a bit like Christianity if you think about it ;) )

Maybe they will start to realise that if they don't blow them selves up, we will do the job for them.
They should be thanking us for executing them. .
 
Cobra said:
Maybe they will start to realise that if they don't blow them selves up, we will do the job for them.
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Um, we pretty much aren't bombing Chechnya ATM. At least, not last time I checked. Maybe the new government has something to tell us.
 
JonathanRyan said:
Um, we pretty much aren't bombing Chechnya ATM.
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Re-read it, ;) if they don't blow themselves up we can can help them blow them selves up,
or at least die for their cause
 
JonathanRyan said:
Um, we pretty much aren't bombing Chechnya ATM. At least, not last time I checked. Maybe the new government has something to tell us.
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Leave that with KGB. They handle f*****g jihadists just fine without our help.
 
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