Replacement New Zealand Flag, which would you choose?

Blank_Canvas said:
"Nail your colours to the mast" - it makes them much harder for the enemy to capture them at sea !
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Ah yes of course I wonder what the literal meaning of that saying was :thumbs:
 
Cobra said:
Ah yes of course I wonder what the literal meaning of that saying was :thumbs:
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It's amazing the amount of everyday sayings that have a nautical origin. Even something as simple as logging on takes its and from the ships log which was completed at regular intervals throughout the day, a bit like s computer really !
 
SarahLee said:
You know it's comments like that which will get you beaten back to the other side of the bridge (with a very big stick) ;)
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Only if you are stupid enough to cross it in the first place :p
 
Blank_Canvas said:
It's amazing the amount of everyday sayings that have a nautical origin. Even something as simple as logging on takes its and from the ships log which was completed at regular intervals throughout the day, a bit like s computer really !
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Like "fits the bill".
Still used in its original context where I work! :-)
 
SarahLee said:
You know there's a reason those toll booth operators refuse certain people entry . . . and it's not always because they can't pay either :p
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And I thought it was because their second mortgage paperwork wasn't in order! ;)
 
SarahLee said:
You know there's a reason those toll booth operators refuse certain people entry . . .
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I've never had any trouble getting in, Well apart from "Are you really sure you want to do this"?
At least the Welsh side appreciate the fact that people want to get outta there as fast as possible and don't hold them up with toll booths
:p
 
Blank_Canvas said:
I've heard the saying but don't know where it's come from ?
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Donald Duck is staying at a posh hotel and goes down to reception,
I'd like to purchase some condoms please he says.
Certainly says the receptionist, shall I put them on your bill?
WTF says DD what kind of pervert do you think I am?

Ok Ok maybe not :D
 
Blank_Canvas said:
I've heard the saying but don't know where it's come from ?
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A Bill of Lading is signed by the ship’s master acknowledging receipt of specified cargo and the promise to deliver them to their destination in the same condition. Upon delivery, the goods are checked against the bill to see if all is in order. If so, they fit the bill. :-)
 
viv1969 said:
A Bill of Lading is signed by the ship’s master acknowledging receipt of specified cargo and the promise to deliver them to their destination in the same condition. Upon delivery, the goods are checked against the bill to see if all is in order. If so, they fit the bill. :-)
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Ahh ok thanks.
 
viv1969 said:
A Bill of Lading is signed by the ship’s master acknowledging receipt of specified cargo and the promise to deliver them to their destination in the same condition. Upon delivery, the goods are checked against the bill to see if all is in order. If so, they fit the bill. :-)
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Just thinking about this with an open mind. Are you sure?, even in the 17th century ships had a manifest that listed their cargo, now adopted for aircraft along with port and starboard.

I've always known bill to be a legal term, for example 'Old Bill' from the term bill and warrant which goes back to the day when police officers used to carry their 'bill or warrant' inside their truncheon. Thee are some examples of these at Northampton Police HQ.

Like I say I'm completely open minded !
 
Blank_Canvas said:
Just thinking about this with an open mind. Are you sure?, even in the 17th century ships had a manifest that listed their cargo, now adopted for aircraft along with port and starboard.

I've always known bill to be a legal term, for example 'Old Bill' from the term bill and warrant which goes back to the day when police officers used to carry their 'bill or warrant' inside their truncheon. Thee are some examples of these at Northampton Police HQ.

Like I say I'm completely open minded !
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I don't know if I can back up Ruth's assertion that it's a nautical term, but "bill of lading" is absolutely a specific legal document that should accompany any commercial freight shipment whether it's by land, air or ship.
So her explanation definitely makes sense to me.
The only thing I can't verify is whether it originated with ship's cargos or if it would have been in use earlier than that for deliveries made by land :thinking:
 
Blank_Canvas said:
Just thinking about this with an open mind. Are you sure?, even in the 17th century ships had a manifest that listed their cargo, now adopted for aircraft along with port and starboard.

I've always known bill to be a legal term, for example 'Old Bill' from the term bill and warrant which goes back to the day when police officers used to carry their 'bill or warrant' inside their truncheon. Thee are some examples of these at Northampton Police HQ.

Like I say I'm completely open minded !
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Absolutely sure. :)
I raise Bills of Lading, and legalise Bills of Lading as part of my job. Like these:

http://fujita.weblike.jp/msc_BL_3.jpg

A ships manifest covers ALL of the cargo on board. It's simply a list of individual shipments on board, much as an aircraft passenger manifest is a list of the passengers; however, commercial passenger flights also take cargo on board, and each of those consignments, whilst appearing on a cargo manifest, also have it's own Air Waybill, which serves exactly the same purpose as a marine Bill of Lading.

A Bill of Lading covers an individual shipment. It details the number of packages in the consignment, what each package contains, the gross weight etc.
A Bill of Lading IS a legal document. It is the legal title to the goods. Without the ORIGINAL BL, the consignee for the goods cannot even take possession of them because the shipping line won't release them.

There are also Multimodal Bills of Lading, which will cover a consignments entire journey, even if the method of shipment changes (IE goes by vessel from UK to Jordan, then by truck from Jordan into Iraq), but the rule remains that if the receiver of the goods doesn't have that original BL...they ain't getting their hands on the goods, even if they've paid for them in full in advance. That's how legal a document it is.

Individual Bills of Lading predate vessel manifests by quite some margin. :)

There are also differences between Master Bills of Lading (issued by the shipping line) and House Bills of Lading (issued by a private company), but I won't bore you with that :)
 
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viv1969 said:
Absolutely sure. :)
I raise Bills of Lading, and legalise Bills of Lading as part of my job. Like these:

http://fujita.weblike.jp/msc_BL_3.jpg

A ships manifest covers ALL of the cargo on board. It's simply a list of individual shipments on board, much as an aircraft passenger manifest is a list of the passengers; however, commercial passenger flights also take cargo on board, and each of those consignments, whilst appearing on a cargo manifest, also have it's own Air Waybill, which serves exactly the same purpose as a marine Bill of Lading.

A Bill of Lading covers an individual shipment. It details the number of packages in the consignment, what each package contains, the gross weight etc.
A Bill of Lading IS a legal document. It is the legal title to the goods. Without the ORIGINAL BL, the consignee for the goods cannot even take possession of them because the shipping line won't release them.

There are also Multimodal Bills of Lading, which will cover a consignments entire journey, even if the method of shipment changes (IE goes by vessel from UK to Jordan, then by truck from Jordan into Iraq), but the rule remains that if the receiver of the goods doesn't have that original BL...they ain't getting their hands on the goods, even if they've paid for them in full in advance. That's how legal a document it is.

Individual Bills of Lading predate vessel manifests by quite some margin. :)

There are also differences between Master Bills of Lading (issued by the shipping line) and House Bills of Lading (issued by a private company), but I won't bore you with that :)
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That's great thanks, I was just pondering this as I drive down from York to Plymouth, obviously stoping at service stations for a break and to type on here. I thought bill had its origins in legal terms but I wasn't sure if that extended to ships. Great answer and very informative. Thanks very much.
 
viv1969 said:
Careful. I never know when I might require snakeskin for a potion :sneaky:
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Is this where I say "My Voodoo doll is bigger than your Voodoo doll?"

Oh and what's green and goes red at the touch of a button?

Yep you got it, a frog in a liquidiser :p
 
Number two, much prefer the colours and has a resemble nice to the other members. Wouldn't pay £26M for the design, but can see the value for the cost of replacement.
 
You'd think they'd go for an actual Kiwi bird on the flag wouldn't you. At least then, when they're all extinct they'll be able to remember what they looked like.

:exit:
 
Well the referendum results have just been announced. They are sticking with the existing flag.
 
Good sense? Who'd a thought it? :)
 
What an expensive waste of time!
 
MWHCVT said:
On a much more international forum I'm a member of it seems the majority of the NZers will vote to keep the current flag and see it as a colossal waste of money and that the PM wants to do it as his legacy (read as ego trip)
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So what I posted last year seems to have been proved correct, I'm not surprised...though I am frustrated for the NZ tax payer as in reality all this has done is p*** millions of dollars down the drain all for an ego trip of the PM
 
MWHCVT said:
So what I posted last year seems to have been proved correct, I'm not surprised...though I am frustrated for the NZ tax payer as in reality all this has done is p*** millions of dollars down the drain all for an ego trip of the PM
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If that was the only manner in which his ego was massaged at the tax payers exense then I'd say they probably got away lightly.
 
ancient_mariner said:
If that was the only manner in which his ego was massaged at the tax payers exense then I'd say they probably got away lightly.
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This is very true, in actual fact it's positively cheap in comparison to some of the pet projects of some national leaders around the world
 
I guess all is not lost as it confirms the state of the feeling in the country. Which may have been supposed beforehand. But like opinion polls, these suppositions can be wildly wrong.
 
I think it is time for a change to the Union Flag.......

Something with a miserable bah humbug face and a pile of £1 coins reflecting the collective "we know the price of everything and the value of nothing" .....
 
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