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Looks like UKIP have just rattled Labour's back door......less than 700 between them......will post Clacton shortly
 
And UKIP have taken Clacton....... 12,000 majority......
 
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12.000 majority, wow
 
I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone who would nornally vote labour voting UKIP, they make the Tories look like the SWP.
 
They couldn't be any worse then the other three partys.....
 
mex said:
I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone who would nornally vote labour voting UKIP, they make the Tories look like the SWP.
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Protest vote - the 3 main parties are out of tune with the public, so you will then get extreme votes - be it green, UKIP, BNP, Galloway etc... Every single party has some good policies (IMO) and all have some poor ones. At the moment one of the things people are concerned about is Europe and the fact we don't have a say in anything. None of the big 3 have given a referendum (Tories have but they did back down on a promised one, and I don't see the reason it couldn't have been done by now), maybe this will allow the people to have a say?

If either Tories or Labour had an decent leader they would be massively ahead in the polls - Cameron and Milliband are so weak and dull. Tories should be exploiting the fact Labour messed up the accounts and they have got our economy to be one of the strongest in Europe, while Labour could easily point to the fact not everyone is experiencing the strong economy to be picking up votes. For many, its who you dislike the least!!
 
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Protest vote - the 3 main parties are out of tune with the public, so you will then get extreme votes - be it green, UKIP, BNP, Galloway etc... Every single party has some good policies (IMO) and all have some poor ones. At the moment one of the things people are concerned about is Europe and the fact we don't have a say in anything. None of the big 3 have given a referendum (Tories have but they did back down on a promised one, and I don't see the reason it couldn't have been done by now), maybe this will allow the people to have a say?

If either Tories or Labour had an decent leader they would be massively ahead in the polls - Cameron and Milliband are so weak and dull. Tories should be exploiting the fact Labour messed up the accounts and they have got our economy to be one of the strongest in Europe, while Labour could easily point to the fact not everyone is experiencing the strong economy to be picking up votes. For many, its who you dislike the least!!
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I think it's more than just a protest vote this time as was shown in the Euro Election recently. I think the British public have realised these is now a real need for permanent change.
 
In this case it would seem "Better the Devil you dont know" is the vote of the electorate....
 
My dream scenario at the next election is a coalition between the Tories + UKIP
Boris for PM & Farage for DPM

All we need then is someone sensible to run the country :thinking:
 
Ian D J said:
The mouse arrow did hover close by the thread title for a moment as all sorts of images sprang to mind.
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and me to ,thought george michael had been caught again for a mo.:agree:
 
I find it quite worrying that people are voting for an extreme right wing party.
Hasn't history given us a warning when this happens in times of economic hardship and immigration concerns

If we leave Europe who do we trade with, perhaps the British empire?
Kiss your arse goodbye to any of the EU laws that protect employment rights, no coincidence that Ukip aren't too keen on them
 
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I find it quite worrying that people decry UKIP as an "extreme right wing party". They're not. They're centre right and I suspect that much of the reason for their appeal, which is to traditional "working class" Labour party voters too, is that the broad political agenda and the media presentation of it has moved further and faster to the left than the British electorate is naturally comfortable with.
 
'Man who was MP is still MP'. One MP. Hardly back door rattling stuff. Ukip have as many MPs as the Green Party.
 
tijuana taxi said:
I find it quite worrying that people are voting for an extreme right wing party.
Hasn't history given us a warning when this happens in times of economic hardship and immigration concerns

If we leave Europe who do we trade with, perhaps the British empire?
Kiss your arse goodbye to any of the EU laws that protect employment rights, no coincidence that Ukip aren't too keen on them
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Norway don't seem to be suffering despite not being in the EU!! Don't forget that trade goes both ways - do you think the rest of europe would not want to trade with us (especially as they are in a worse economic state). I don't think that by leaving the EU we would suddenly become a dictatorship, there are plenty of rules and laws that would remain in place. I would argue Europe need us more than we need them.

If there are immigration concerns then surely the main parties should deal with them and not ignore.
 
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Yves Geza said:
I find it quite worrying that people decry UKIP as an "extreme right wing party". They're not. They're centre right and I suspect that much of the reason for their appeal, which is to traditional "working class" Labour party voters too, is that the broad political agenda and the media presentation of it has moved further and faster to the left than the British electorate is naturally comfortable with.
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Watch out... anyone who sticks up for UKIP is racist remember!!!
 
I've always regarded myself as a socialist but I couldn't bring myself to vote labour at the last general election due to what I saw as their mismanagement of the economy and a high profile local issue over which I felt that labour just didn't care... anyway, I voted for an independent socialist but a one off independent isn't a government so...

The main parties seem to me to be completely out of touch and I think that we need a major shake up and UKIP appeals to me on that level but one thing that worries me deeply is the persistent accusations of racism. This may be just mud slinging from the other parties but the suspicion is arguably there and racism is something I can't abide as it's quite obviously very wrong, I'm pale skinned and blue eyed but despite that not exactly a purebred myself and my girlfriend is Asian. Until the accusations can be thoroughly put to bed I can't support them and indeed can only regard them with a little suspicion.
 
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UKIP expelled members accused of racism. It's not a racist party but a nationalist one. The two are very different.
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There was an allegation of racism on R5 just this morning.

It's seems to be an allegation that just keeps on being made. I suppose this could be repeated mud slinging or more worryingly it could be that the party just isn't doing enough to stamp this out. If the party core is truly anti racist they really do need to get a grip.
 
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woof woof said:
There was an allegation of racism on R5 just this morning.

It's seems to be an allegation that just keeps on being made. I suppose this could be repeated mud slinging or more worryingly it could be that the party just isn't doing enough to stamp this out. If the party core is truly anti racist they really do need to get a grip.
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Just an allegation, when they were proven the party took decisive action to expel racists. I am not for racism, but I am for kerbing immigration and having a vote in/out Europe. I feel the Tories have lost their way, and are limp, and labour are not supporting the people they should be supporting.
 
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Just an allegation, when they were proven the party took decisive action to expel racists. I am not for racism, but I am for kerbing immigration and having a vote in/out Europe. I feel the Tories have lost their way, and are limp, and labour are not supporting the people they should be supporting.
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"Just an allegation."? Hmmm. How easily these things can be dismissed. I hope that's the case but racism is such a biggie that I can't support them while there's the merest sniff of it and at the moment the sniff is just too strong and too often.
 
Politics?....i was expecting a thread about anal sex.
 
tijuana taxi said:
Find it ironic that you played the racist card, don't think it had been mentioned up till now.
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Your the one that described it as an 'extreme right wing party'. Was not playing any 'racist card' just stating a fact that some people think that UKIP = racist, same as when people moan about immigration.
 
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UKIP have one MP. Their votes will dwindle away when people are faced with the big ballot box rather than a by-election just as did the Scottish referendum vote
 
johnb said:
UKIP have one MP. Their votes will dwindle away when people are faced with the big ballot box rather than a by-election just as did the Scottish referendum vote
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I would'nt be at all surprised if UKRAP get quite a number of seats come next May, the electorate have the choice of Milliband, a man with about as much charisma as a corpse, Cameron who is about as appealing as a British rail sandwich 2 weeks out of date and Clegg who is willing to kiss the arse of any of the previous two just to get into number 10. UKIP might actually be the tonic British politics needs, the other main parties are very much alike, maybe they will see the light and become a bit more ambitious and original with their policies with feint possibility that will listen to the people that put them in Westminster.
 
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UKIP make more sense than both IMHO. Sensible tax levels and the in out say we should get in Europe.
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I'll keep this in mind :)

john-oh said:
My dream scenario at the next election is a coalition between the Tories + UKIP
Boris for PM & Farage for DPM

All we need then is someone sensible to run the country :thinking:
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Hitler? Oh wait, he's dead... b****r. Oh, I know - Putin! I am sure he'll find some spare time for us too.
 
Look across the whole of europe. Far right parties have been making huge gains in every single country for the last 5 years. Partly due to the discontent over fiscal matters and partly because the average Joe is fed up to the back teeth of the same old same old snout in trough brigade.

We will be in for another coalition next year and part of it will involve UKIP whether we like it or not. Lab, Con, Lib Dems only have themselves to blame.
 
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