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ST4 said:
UKIP make more sense than both IMHO. Sensible tax levels and the in out say we should get in Europe.
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Indeed - though i'm suprised you think so

"Farrage on the Andrew marr show" said:
Asked on the Andrew Marr Show if a flat rate of tax was still a Ukip policy, he said:

No, we’re going to rethink the tax policy. I think that was badly explained because people thought gosh, we’re going to put tax up for the low paid. Well, no. The idea was to abolish National Insurance. What I can tell you for certain is that our biggest tax objective in that next manifesto will be: no tax on the minimum wage. we’ve got to incentivise people to get off benefit and to get back to work. Now that obviously will cost money…
I think a top rate of tax of around about 40 per cent is the one that will bring in the most revenue into the Exchequer and i think through the 80s and 90s we saw that… anything over 40 and you start seeing people going overseas. But really what we’ve got to worry about actually are the millions of people there on low pay and, frankly, without sufficient incentives to be in work.
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Meanwhile on the jerremy vine show farages deputy denied they were going to abolish the 45p rate and said that in fact they would fund raising the taxable allowance to benefit the working poor by bringing in a top rate band of 50% for those earning over £100k
 
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mex said:
I would'nt be at all surprised if UKRAP get quite a number of seats come next May, the electorate have the choice of Milliband, a man with about as much charisma as a corpse, Cameron who is about as appealing as a British rail sandwich 2 weeks out of date and Clegg who is willing to kiss the arse of any of the previous two just to get into number 10. UKIP might actually be the tonic British politics needs, the other main parties are very much alike, maybe they will see the light and become a bit more ambitious and original with their policies with feint possibility that will listen to the people that put them in Westminster.
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I don't think they will. The mp was obviously liked and probably would have been elected as and indy. The other one they lost by 700 was probably a protest and I can't see them doing that at a general where people tend to vote more truly. Of course the May do ok in a seat held by a pro euro but I can't de more than a couple. Too many Tories will be too worried about labour sneaking in.
 
tbh UKip are one of those parties that would benefit greatly from propirtional representation - come the next election they could quite easily have 20% of the votes but totally fail to secure any seats (this is also true of all the small parties and in deed the lib dems)
 
big soft moose said:
Indeed - though i'm suprised you think so



Meanwhile on the jerremy vine show farages deputy denied they were going to abolish the 45p rate and said that in fact they would fund raising the taxable allowance to benefit the working poor by bringing in a top rate band of 50% for those earning over £100k
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It won't happen, they'll see sense and cut taxes for all. Once we kerb the immigration problem it'll be affordable to cut tax :)
 
Meanwhile, in other news, have a listen to what the Heywood and Middleton Returning Officer says to the winning labour candidate at 2:16 min in.

I think you'll find it's "That would have been the result whatever it said". Now some might think that's a joke, and maybe it was. However, I do not think that was the correct time and place to make it. Certainly not live on air.

 
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chadders said:
Meanwhile, in other news, have a listen to what the Heywood and Middleton Returning Officer says to the winning labour candidate at 2:16 min in.

I think you'll find it's "That would have been the result whatever it said". Now some might think that's a joke, and maybe it was. However, I do not think that was the correct time and place to make it. Certainly not live on air.

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Steve Smith said:
And we would benefit greatly if they just went away.


Steve.
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Why? Because they don't represent your views. They represent the views of quite a few hence the increase in their presence. It's called democracy.

IMHO we'd all benefit if the SSP, Greens, lib dems would go away but people are free to make their political choices and vote for who they want. So they stay. This isn't North Korea but Britain
 
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ST4 said:
Why? Because they don't represent your views. They represent the views of quite a few hence the increase in their presence. It's called democracy.

IMHO we'd all benefit if the SSP, Greens, lib dems would go away but people are free to make their political choices and vote for who they want. So they stay. This isn't North Korea but Britain
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Nazi party also represented the views of some people and won the election legitimately. So does it make it right then? UKIP will destroy the country in weeks and I am certainly taking my skills, my education and my taxes out of this racist hole
 
daugirdas said:
Nazi party also represented the views of some people and won the election legitimately. So does it make it right then? UKIP will destroy the country in weeks and I am certainly taking my skills, my education and my taxes out of this racist hole
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They didn't, there was a coup which saw Hitler rise to power. Google storming the reichstag.

UKIP and the Tories are more right for the country IMHO than other political parties. UKIP are not a racist party, they expelled any racist MP. They are a pro Britain party and yes cutting immigration and having that in/out EU vote is a big part of their manifesto, but its one the British people need to vote on, and its one a lot are calling for.

It's called democracy. Everyone has the right to vote.
 
daugirdas said:
Nazi party also represented the views of some people and won the election legitimately. So does it make it right then? UKIP will destroy the country in weeks and I am certainly taking my skills, my education and my taxes out of this racist hole
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Can I ask where UKIP state that they are a racist party and where are the facts that they will ruin the county in weeks.....surely this is merely your opinion......would labour not ruin our country in weeks ....they did the last time......and the time before that and I believe the Tories had a go at it on at least one occasion...

Just because someone voted UKIP ....it doesn't make them a racist
 
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ST4 said:
They didn't, there was a coup which saw Hitler rise to power. Google storming the reichstag.

UKIP and the Tories are more right for the country IMHO than other political parties. UKIP are not a racist party, they expelled any racist MP. They are a pro Britain party and yes cutting immigration and having that in/out EU vote is a big part of their manifesto, but its one the British people need to vote on, and its one a lot are calling for.

It's called democracy. Everyone has the right to vote.
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They didn't have any MPs! Get your facts right. Only the most stupid party members got kicked because of extreme media pressure.

Last thing we need is this boozed fag smoking racist ex banker that represents most things wrong with this country, the other extreme being benefit cheats and criminals.

I suppose your parents income won't suffer from eu exit, so you really don't care about the rest of us being royally shafted. And people are inherently stupid. Make eu sound like abad thing (which they did) and ask the wrong question. Bang

anyway, I have no business in a small racist country that is not part of eu. I am sure you will be happy to have paid for my 10 years of education and see me leave with my taxes

archangel said:
Can I ask where UKIP state that they are a racist party and where are the facts that they will ruin the county in weeks.....surely this is merely your opinion......would labour not ruin our country in weeks ....they did the last time......and the time before that and I believe the Tories had a go at it on at least one occasion...

Just because someone voted UKIP ....it doesn't make them a racist
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Tories? The only good thing about them is cutting benefits but they are doing it too slow. They go on about cutting tax but so far just empty promises. But we saw vat rise.

Have a little Google search abou ukip. I know rose tinted glasses can go a long way distorting a reality.
 
daugirdas said:
They didn't have any MPs! Get your facts right. Only the most stupid party members got kicked because of extreme media pressure.

Last thing we need is this boozed fag smoking racist ex banker that represents most things wrong with this country, the other extreme being benefit cheats and criminals.

I suppose your parents income won't suffer from eu exit, so you really don't care about the rest of us being royally shafted. And people are inherently stupid. Make eu sound like abad thing (which they did) and ask the wrong question. Bang

anyway, I have no business in a small racist country that is not part of eu. I am sure you will be happy to have paid for my 10 years of education and see me leave with my taxes



Tories? The only good thing about them is cutting benefits but they are doing it too slow. They go on about cutting tax but so far just empty promises. But we saw vat rise.

Have a little Google search abou ukip. I know rose tinted glasses can go a long way distorting a reality.
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I assume that you are not originally from the UK. I might be wrong but by the way you are talking about how you have managed to get an education in this country and have stated about how the UK has paid for this privilege and the fact that you threaten to leave with your taxes if you don't get what you want. That is a bit immature is it not.......?:thinking: surely if you want to live in a democracy you would abide by the results of democracy........ if everyone was to run away when they didn't get the result they wanted this country would be a lot less inhabited.......:eek:
 
archangel said:
I assume that you are not originally from the UK. I might be wrong but by the way you are talking about how you have managed to get an education in this country and have stated about how the UK has paid for this privilege and the fact that you threaten to leave with your taxes if you don't get what you want. That is a bit immature is it not.......?:thinking: surely if you want to live in a democracy you would abide by the results of democracy........ if everyone was to run away when they didn't get the result they wanted this country would be a lot less inhabited.......:eek:
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Apparently 45% of scots feel that 55% betrayed them and if they want to be in Britain the 55% should F off to England View attachment 22389

It's a very common problem
 
archangel said:
I assume that you are not originally from the UK. I might be wrong but by the way you are talking about how you have managed to get an education in this country and have stated about how the UK has paid for this privilege and the fact that you threaten to leave with your taxes if you don't get what you want. That is a bit immature is it not.......?:thinking: surely if you want to live in a democracy you would abide by the results of democracy........ if everyone was to run away when they didn't get the result they wanted this country would be a lot less inhabited.......:eek:
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Shock and horror. You'd better vote ukip to make me leave. :p
I could apply for a bloody passport and get it by Easter but I won't when there is danger of ukip.
I want to be free to work and travel in all eu, not one weird small island. I am not a slave and am free to choose what is right for me in the eu. Eu is a democratic country and I have full right to express my dissatisfaction with racist party threatening my welfare and choose the best region of eu to live in.
 
ST4 said:
No ones being royally shafted other than the great British public. UKIP will give the other parties the wake up call they need to do something.
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I agree the great British public will get shafted. And your point is?
 
daugirdas said:
Shock and horror. You'd better vote ukip to make me leave. :p
I could apply for a bloody passport and get it by Easter but I won't when there is danger of ukip.
I want to be free to work and travel in all eu, not one weird small island. I am not a slave and am free to choose what is right for me in the eu. Eu is a democratic country and I have full right to express my dissatisfaction with racist party threatening my welfare and choose the best region of eu to live in.
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So vote, Britain is a democratic country. But the EU is not a country, it is not, and never will be. It's a series of countries in a common currency (handy but IMHO a bad idea) with a free trade agreement. All this law making and financial control isn't for Britain IMHO and we should be reducing our exposure to it, not increasing it. Thats what the UKIP movement is about. Not racism, not bigotry. I also don't want lots of people coming in to Britain freely but rather control who and who we do not let in. Thats not racist, thats practical, we are a small Island.
 
ST4 said:
So vote, Britain is a democratic country. But the EU is not a country, it is not, and never will be. It's a series of countries in a common currency (handy but IMHO a bad idea) with a free trade agreement. All this law making and financial control isn't for Britain IMHO and we should be reducing our exposure to it, not increasing it. Thats what the UKIP movement is about. Not racism, not bigotry. I also don't want lots of people coming in to Britain freely but rather control who and who we do not let in. Thats not racist, thats practical, we are a small Island.
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EU is country, whether you like it or not, just like the US or on the way there.

I am sure you don't want people coming. They pay taxes, work and make areas safer. Barrhead was a lethal area to walk at day or night, now its fine since half of it is polish. Don't complain about Glasgow - its not the EU that makes is a dangerous place. Of course British lazy scummy chav on benefits is far better that a foreign van driver (not that I am one of those) paying taxes for those scumbags and also NHS, pensioners, etc. However when it comes to millions of illegal africans and asians from outside of EU coming and working illegally without paying taxes then I have a different view. Half of London and Birmingham can't speak even half decent english and I bet you they are not from EU. So clearly UKIP and torries are spot on with this :thumbs:

ST4 said:
We are already. UKIP may reduce this.
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Yes we are, indeed. The science budget got badly cut once torries came in. Very bad news for me. So vote Labour not an extremest party that has no real plan apart from a couple headline policies to lure in scum and greedy voters.
 
H2O said:
Is it really? I don't recall ever having a referendum in the uk on becoming a component part of a larger state.

The EU would be a good idea... if it wasn't a broken corrupt mess.
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Which is why it needs much tighter integration and you should be part of it :)
 
daugirdas said:
EU is country, whether you like it or not, just like the US or on the way there.

I am sure you don't want people coming. They pay taxes, work and make areas safer. Barrhead was a lethal area to walk at day or night, now its fine since half of it is polish. Don't complain about Glasgow - its not the EU that makes is a dangerous place. Of course British lazy scummy chav on benefits is far better that a foreign van driver (not that I am one of those) paying taxes for those scumbags and also NHS, pensioners, etc. However when it comes to millions of illegal africans and asians from outside of EU coming and working illegally without paying taxes then I have a different view. Half of London and Birmingham can't speak even half decent english and I bet you they are not from EU. So clearly UKIP and torries are spot on with this (y)



Yes we are, indeed. The science budget got badly cut once torries came in. Very bad news for me. So vote Labour not an extremest party that has no real plan apart from a couple headline policies to lure in scum and greedy voters.
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It is not a country, and will not become one. Look, France, Italty, Spain, they are separate countries with separate peoples, languages and laws. They have their own governments. IMHO, Brussels and EU parliment needs to wind its neck in a fair bit, free trade is good, free borders, actually isn't.

Our benefits and wellfare state have allowed our indigenous to become lazy layabouts. Our system has created a void, tighten the void, and we do not need to let in so many other people to do jobs our own people can and should do
 
ST4 said:
So vote, Britain is a democratic country. But the EU is not a country, it is not, and never will be. It's a series of countries in a common currency (handy but IMHO a bad idea) with a free trade agreement. All this law making and financial control isn't for Britain IMHO and we should be reducing our exposure to it, not increasing it. Thats what the UKIP movement is about. Not racism, not bigotry. I also don't want lots of people coming in to Britain freely but rather control who and who we do not let in. Thats not racist, thats practical, we are a small Island.
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I agree....I welcome people from any colour, culture or country....What I don't welcome are freeloaders, people who cannot contribute by way of skills......and those who are benefit tourists and put pressure on the NHS......I welcome tighter border controls.......This does not make me a RACIST!!!! nor a BIGOT!!!! it makes me a British citizen who is fed up with the way the country is governed....... I also believe that the lazy British born sods who have been lying on benefits for years should get their benefits cut ..... I believe if you do a crime you should serve a realistic sentence not 3 weeks and let out on 2 for good behaviour.......I believe if you are in a position of power and you abuse it you go straight to jail........ I believe in the rights of the country to democratically vote for political leaders and if the majority vote for labour I will accept that but I won't run away........
 
Yep, I am no racist, I have many friends from many overseas countries. I welcome diversity, but at the same time, our country is being invaded illegally at Calais with people hiding in lorries, storming trains and ferries and EU laws stop us shooting the invaders who come illegally. We need to control who we let in, who we don't. The Aussies, Newzealanders, they have it right IMHO.
 
daugirdas said:
EU is country, whether you like it or not, just like the US or on the way there.

I am sure you don't want people coming. They pay taxes, work and make areas safer. Barrhead was a lethal area to walk at day or night, now its fine since half of it is polish. Don't complain about Glasgow - its not the EU that makes is a dangerous place. Of course British lazy scummy chav on benefits is far better that a foreign van driver (not that I am one of those) paying taxes for those scumbags and also NHS, pensioners, etc. However when it comes to millions of illegal africans and asians from outside of EU coming and working illegally without paying taxes then I have a different view. Half of London and Birmingham can't speak even half decent english and I bet you they are not from EU. So clearly UKIP and torries are spot on with this :thumbs:



Yes we are, indeed. The science budget got badly cut once torries came in. Very bad news for me. So vote Labour not an extremest party that has no real plan apart from a couple headline policies to lure in scum and greedy voters.
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The EU is not a country !

However, it's membership is drawn from a number of countries. It is a political conglomerate in essence.

It's an economic & political union !
 
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daugirdas said:
Which is why it needs much tighter integration and you should be part of it :)
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Yes & no, many of the EUs problems come from integrating & expanding too fast in my opinion. The single currency for example should not have come without much closer tax & spending policies as well as only being used in countries with economies of similar strength.

I also think open borders were a mistake for similar reasons. A common immigration policy would have been a better first step.

Regardless of pro or anti EU views though everyone interested in democracy should be In favour of a referendum.
 
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ST4 said:
Yep, I am no racist, I have many friends from many overseas countries. I welcome diversity, but at the same time, our country is being invaded illegally at Calais with people hiding in lorries, storming trains and ferries and EU laws stop us shooting the invaders who come illegally. We need to control who we let in, who we don't. The Aussies, Newzealanders, they have it right IMHO.
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However you want to get rid of us all in a form of a single vote. Well done :thumbs:

Illegal immigration via Calais have nothing to do with EU membership. You can have tight border controls on this side, and also offer some help to the French, ideally on their south coast. UK is well represented in EP and commission and could choose to make the full use of it rather than staying out of any influential EU political parties. That is plain stupid ignorance.

H2O said:
Yes & no, many of the EUs problems come from integrating & expanding too fast in my opinion. The single currency for example should not have come without much closer tax & spending policies as well as only being used in countries with economies of similar strength.

I also think open borders were a mistake for similar reasons. A common immigration policy would have been a better first step.

Regardless of pro or anti EU views though everyone interested in democracy should be In favour of a referendum.
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The real problem is too much power for local governments of certain south EU regions. A common fiscal policy, single budget would have prevented a lot of the problems. However, we shall not forget the crisis originated in the US and spread like a wildfire. It is unrealistic to blame the EU for everything and destroy it from within (which is what MEP Farrage and torries are doing right now).

archangel said:
I agree....I welcome people from any colour, culture or country....What I don't welcome are freeloaders, people who cannot contribute by way of skills......and those who are benefit tourists and put pressure on the NHS......I welcome tighter border controls.......This does not make me a RACIST!!!! nor a BIGOT!!!! it makes me a British citizen who is fed up with the way the country is governed....... I also believe that the lazy British born sods who have been lying on benefits for years should get their benefits cut ..... I believe if you do a crime you should serve a realistic sentence not 3 weeks and let out on 2 for good behaviour.......I believe if you are in a position of power and you abuse it you go straight to jail........ I believe in the rights of the country to democratically vote for political leaders and if the majority vote for labour I will accept that but I won't run away........
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EU leaves plenty of room for benefit policies, however UK chose to have the most relaxed, or shall i say irresponsible laws. Now the government blames everyone but themselves. And you believe them and will jump out of the ship into an open sea.
 
Where have UKIP said they are going to deport non British people already in Britain?

The EU commision does nothing for us other than take our money and spend it in other less well off countries like Greece and Spain. As much as I love those countries, its not to our benefit to kick up to Brussells and see our money go away from us.
 
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ST4 said:
It is not a country, and will not become one. Look, France, Italty, Spain, they are separate countries with separate peoples, languages and laws.
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Please don't go to Italy and Greece or Spain next time exercising the EU treaty as you clearly stand against it.
 
ST4 said:
Where have UKIP said they are going to deport non British people already in Britain?
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f*****g common sense maybe? Or is it going to be a jail - nobody in, and nobody out?
 
daugirdas said:
Please don't go to Italy and Greece or Spain next time exercising the EU treaty as you clearly stand against it.
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I go as a British citizen on holiday, people went on holidays abroad before the EU treaty existed? People even moved abroad before the EU. It is just ensuring you let the right sorts in, and keep the wrong sorts out and enourgage your own nationals 1st into work.
 
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