Quality of Photos for Critique gone downhill??

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In future I will pop on my rose tinted spectacles and send love and praise to all posters.. Don't want to be attacked by the TP family.

Its all good thinking your fellow TP "friends" images are great or art or whatever you want to call it. Its a bit like watching the X Factor or BGT when a awful singer comes on, then there Mum or Gran says I think their brilliant...Same principal here.

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Oxford_Matt said:
In future I will pop on my rose tinted spectacles and send love and praise to all posters.. Don't want to be attacked by the TP family.

Its all good thinking your fellow TP "friends" images are great or art or whatever you want to call it. Its a bit like watching the X Factor or BGT when a awful singer comes on, then there Mum or Gran says I think their brilliant...Same principal here.

:)
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I feel a little sorry for you really... That everything has to be pretty picture perfect for you to understand an image.
 
Oxford_Matt said:
I understand everyone has to start somewhere. But I feel the effort even by the beginners has dropped.
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I don't know which sections you normally frequent... The standard in people and portraits had gone up hugely over the last year. So much so that it's probably quite intimidating for novices.
 
juggler said:
I don't know which sections you normally frequent... The standard in people and portraits had gone up hugely over the last year. So much so that it's probably quite intimidating for novices.
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He doesn't, according to the hard stare thread it's not worth him posting here.
 
Oxford_Matt said:
In future I will pop on my rose tinted spectacles and send love and praise to all posters.. Don't want to be attacked by the TP family.

Its all good thinking your fellow TP "friends" images are great or art or whatever you want to call it. Its a bit like watching the X Factor or BGT when a awful singer comes on, then there Mum or Gran says I think their brilliant...Same principal here.

:)
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What a load of Rubbish.

:D
 
Oxford_Matt said:
In future I will pop on my rose tinted spectacles and send love and praise to all posters.. Don't want to be attacked by the TP family.

Its all good thinking your fellow TP "friends" images are great or art or whatever you want to call it. Its a bit like watching the X Factor or BGT when a awful singer comes on, then there Mum or Gran says I think their brilliant...Same principal here.

:)
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Matt, can we see what you like to get some sort of insight? Maybe a link to your 500px? You have to appreciate we're not all going to like the same thing.
 
juggler said:
I don't know which sections you normally frequent... The standard in people and portraits had gone up hugely over the last year. So much so that it's probably quite intimidating for novices.
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well - this thread was originally (mis)posted in the "photos:general photo feedback" section - so as a first guess, I'd say that Matt was taking umbrage with a couple of shots in that particular section...

First thing I did when I saw this thread was look in his recent posting history and found where he'd been giving feedback - checked the pictures, and, I'll admit, I could see where he was coming from on a couple of the shots, whereas on two of the others I thought he'd pretty much "missed the idea" behind them and was simply "on a bit of a grump..."

I'll be honest, half the stuff in "Photos:general" could well be moved to the sharing only section - because most people, especially newcomers, don't realise that that section IS for critique... and then get all bent out of shape when their shot is ripped to bits.
 
TheBigYin said:
I'll be honest, half the stuff in "Photos:general" could well be moved to the sharing only section - because most people, especially newcomers, don't realise that that section IS for critique... and then get all bent out of shape when their shot is ripped to bits.
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Once again, the curse of too many sub-forums strikes again. If 80% of posts are general sharing, why are 80% of the sub-forums labelled for critique?
 
Alastair said:
Once again, the curse of too many sub-forums strikes again. If 80% of posts are general sharing, why are 80% of the sub-forums labelled for critique?
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Don't ask me, I only shovel the sh!t around work here - I don't make the decisions what forums exist / don't... I don't mind the "compartmentalisation" as a member, because I can simply just look at the bits that interest me (the mis-named "creative section" and "film and conventional" and ignore all the hissy fits in the rest of the places... but as staff, it's a PITA working out what's where, and what's in the wrong place...
 
TheBigYin said:
Don't ask me, I only shovel the sh!t around work here - I don't make the decisions what forums exist / don't... I don't mind the "compartmentalisation" as a member, because I can simply just look at the bits that interest me (the mis-named "creative section" and "film and conventional" and ignore all the hissy fits in the rest of the places... but as staff, it's a PITA working out what's where, and what's in the wrong place...
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Now even you're saying our photos are sh*t, lol!
 
Oxford_Matt said:
Cg_Girl I love the way you chase me around the forum.
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Your welcome....seeing as you're not getting anywhere in your quest I'm glad you finally love something ;)

Although 2 threads is hardly the forum and I comment in far more of Lfc's work than you've ever done in half the threads :)
 
Matt if you think that standards are falling, you are entitled to an opinion without abuse. I don't understand why people are getting so up tight or thinking that you're suggesting 'they' are rubbish at photography.

Seems a bit of a witch hunt to me.
 
Oxford_Matt said:
Every poor image can be called art.. Or deliberate captures. That's same as putting few full bins together and calling it art. There's always some idiot that appreciates the rubbish
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Sport, but to use your words, that's rubbish.
Art is something more than a pretty picture. There's a place for pretty pictures, I've no issue with that, especially when showing how marvellous the world can be. Art however has more meaning, trying to convey thought, meaning, something more than just a pretty picture.
It's also very subjective, which means it's not always something that everyone likes, or understands, but to just dismiss things you don't understand as rubbish belittles the work.
It's fine not to like it, but formulate a discussion on the work, why you don't like it.
 
Oxford_Matt said:
Maybe my standards are higher than yours?? Who knows
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It's certainly possible. What seems even more probable is that you work to a different checklist to me (I know that I'm not the "you" in the quoted text, but I'm replying anyway). I have seen people asking for critique where they want technical comments only.

On one forum the most recent critique item started by saying it was HDR and was asking for comments on how well the HDR treeatment had been handled - not whether it suited the image, or indeed whether the image was any good. On another, dispite it being a critique section, what was explicitly asked for was how to recover blown highlights in a photograph. Again, technical only.

Many photographers seem to have a technical checklist and never look beyond that. The aim being to produce technically perfect work (even though "technically perfect" is undefined and undefinable). I wonder if you start with the technical, and never go beyond that unless the image passes the first test?
 
dcash29 said:
Matt if you think that standards are falling, you are entitled to an opinion without abuse. I don't understand why people are getting so up tight or thinking that you're suggesting 'they' are rubbish at photography.

Seems a bit of a witch hunt to me.
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I think its more to do with the way he's gone about it TBH. Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion but transversely, Matt needs to accept that as well, and without the attitude that comes across on here, intended or not.
 
Every poor image can be called art.. Or deliberate captures. That's same as putting few full bins together and calling it art. There's always some idiot that appreciates the rubbish

At least you know where you stand than some nandy pandy reply ;)
 
Okay - one comment from me as a member, not as staff...

Personally, I don't care if someone's last image is poor, as long as we've (that's We as in "the membership" not we as in "the green team") done all we can to help them ensure that their next one shows signs of improvement. Good, helpful and thoughtful critique - both towards the technical and the artistic intent can help - as can simple encouragement (on a lesser scale admittedly). One thing I'm pretty sure doesn't help is sitting in an ivory tower, saying "my stuff's so good I don't need to bother getting feedback on it, but you plebs are all useless".
 
Cg_Girl said:
Your welcome....seeing as you're not getting anywhere in your quest I'm glad you finally love something ;)

Although 2 threads is hardly the forum and I comment in far more of Lfc's work than you've ever done in half the threads :)
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You stalker, you! And here I thought you were following ME around :P
 
Jim which post in particular, I dont see anything to take offence at. Possibly what he may be seeing is that since digital, people shoot willy nilly without first stopping to look, I do it myself at times. Perhaps its not pleasing to Matt's eye, if he thinks something is crap then why beat around the bush.
 
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Look at some on this page, you don't have to look far. Its not that I don't agree with some of what Matt is saying (I agree that some critique panders to the OP on occasion when there could be more constructive, yet harsh crit to be had), but there are ways to get it across without basically saying some of us a plebs and don't understand a good shot. Reading between the lines :)
 
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Bobsyeruncle said:
Difficult to assess when we can't see your work.
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Not the first time a member has seen fit to bestow their unfathomable unquestionable knowledge on the forums whilst deeming their own work far too superior to grace these pages. :(

Not to mention screaming "TP family" when their views prove rather unpopular.
 
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gramps said:
Surely it's all subjective ... members all vary in experience, ability and genre.
I comment on a variety of genres but I don't profess to be proficient in all of them, if I feel I am not qualified to offer critique I may offer praise or some indication of how pleasing I find the image (which others may not find pleasing). Sometimes an encouraging comment can be more helpful than a mass of critique
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Excellent post. Salient, relevant and highlights a lot of what some are missing here. A portrait photographer or landscape photographer for example shouldn't simply assume that any self believed skill they have in their genre can be transferred to macro for example.
And even then, the majority of photography is art, not science. Subjectivity plays a huge role.
 
I have contributed to this site on many occasions. I have not been on here for a while and was shocked at the drop in quality being submitted for critique. I did not threaten to leave the website? I just stated that I felt I was wasting my time offering critique if it's dismissed or argued by the OP. This site has become more a place for You like mine and I'll like yours rather than the good honest critique that it used to be. I really couldn't care less what the TP Magic Circle think of me.
 
Oxford_Matt said:
I have contributed to this site on many occasions. I have not been on here for a while and was shocked at the drop in quality being submitted for critique. I did not threaten to leave the website? I just stated that I felt I was wasting my time offering critique if it's dismissed or argued by the OP. This site has become more a place for You like mine and I'll like yours rather than the good honest critique that it used to be. I really couldn't care less what the TP Magic Circle think of me.
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I've never liked the like button - maybe because i never get "liked"

It is sometimes used as an incendiary
 
Oxford_Matt said:
I have contributed to this site on many occasions. I have not been on here for a while and was shocked at the drop in quality being submitted for critique. I did not threaten to leave the website? I just stated that I felt I was wasting my time offering critique if it's dismissed or argued by the OP. This site has become more a place for You like mine and I'll like yours rather than the good honest critique that it used to be. I really couldn't care less what the TP Magic Circle think of me.
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See, now you just sound like a petulant child.
 
Oxford_Matt said:
I have contributed to this site on many occasions. I have not been on here for a while and was shocked at the drop in quality being submitted for critique. I did not threaten to leave the website? I just stated that I felt I was wasting my time offering critique if it's dismissed or argued by the OP. This site has become more a place for You like mine and I'll like yours rather than the good honest critique that it used to be. I really couldn't care less what the TP Magic Circle think of me.
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So are you saying if you give critique they must agree with what you say? They aren't allowed to explain there choices and reasons because what you've told them is right and they must be wrong?

Edit...damn I'm stalking again
 
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